1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6875 posts, RR: 2 Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11497 times:
I noticed that most airlines today have business class on the upper deck on their 747s. Some, though, like LH, have first class on the upper deck. Is there any reasoning whether the upper deck should be first class or business class?
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DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11471 times:
Perhaps the "appearance" of being in an exclusive private cabin up top? Personally I prefer to be on the first level. When you're flying up front you don't have to fight with coach nearly as much to get out the loading door or drag your carry-on down the stairs.
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1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6875 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11440 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1): Perhaps the "appearance" of being in an exclusive private cabin up top? Personally I prefer to be on the first level. When you're flying up front you don't have to fight with coach nearly as much to get out the loading door or drag your carry-on down the stairs.
On the 747 replacement IMO, Boeing should add an elevator for the handicapped for the upper level.
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Treeny From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11403 times:
I think a lot of this depends on the image the airline wishes to give versus 'bums in seats'
Lufthansa make no secret of their standards of Business and First class services hence PROBABLY their reasoning for having their First Class up top.
I think its more a case that in general there will be more seats filled in Business than first so it makes sense to have a seat config whereby there are more business than first seats. If you look at the BA 747-400 config for example, they dedicate their nose to First and then they have the 'main' business cabin along with seats upstairs - I may be wrong but I think it is more commercial than anything else......
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8837 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11315 times:
On the 747s I have flown (BA, QF & CX) First has been in the nose, which is a great place for them. Roomy & easy to get to.
Upper deck has been Business and is my preferred choice. It seems to be more private and the storage bins next to the window seat is a major plus for me. It also provides for 2+2 seating and that would be an uncomfortable fit for First seating.
Sllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11212 times:
As cool as it seems to be on the upper deck, I'd rather be in the nose. The nose is a lot quieter, and there's good sized overhead storage for rollaboards. Upper deck, while you have that neat little storage space between the seat and the window, if you have a 20" roller, there's no place to put it.
Yeap, but it should be better on the -400! I have worked many many years ago with LH Maintanance, and we re-configuered the First-Class from Upper-deck to main-deck- because the "SENATOR"-Passengers complained about the noise those days on the B747-200.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 8247 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10951 times:
My guess is that where F or C are located would depend mainly on how the upper cabin size jibes with the number of seats the airline has determined that it needs in each class. It would be ridiculous to have fewer seats of a given class in the upper cabin than there was space to install there. It would be inefficient to use the upper cabin for 90 per cent of the seats of a given class and then have to create a small cabin elsewhere for the other 10 per cent.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10434 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10926 times:
I honestly prefer first class to be in the nose. The 2X2 first class seats on Lufthansa aren't great if you are travelling alone. I actually prefer to avoid them since if I am travelling first class since I don't want to sit next to someone. I prefer privacy. I think the A340s are much more comfortable with the 1X2X1 seating since you can sit alone if you are not travelling with anyone.
Business class is very nice on the upper deck. UA and NW both have business class up there. Virgin puts their upper class suites (along with premium economy) up there, so a suite style seat can fit.
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Redneckslim From Congo (Brazzaville), joined Sep 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10617 times:
I just came back from a trans Asia in world business class on NWA in seat 73-A upper deck... Windows SO low you have to slide way down in your seat to see, steeps really painful on the knees and get impacted on the way out. Exit rows upper deck are no big deal, ilse seat has a f/a facing you on t/o and landing and window seat has no window...bfd! Other than useless windows 73-a is the best seat. Down below 10-a or 10-k are great, much better line of sight for viewing, and a feeling of spaciousness with an open cabin. upperdeck is over rated and for first timers. the new seats are ok but I liked the old blue cloth first class seats that were sold as business class when first was dropped from NWA.
Zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3410 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10584 times:
The prob with LH's first class upstairs is that it is difficult to access (for elderly, infirm, wheelchair, etc.). Usually, the airline has Biz both upstairs and downstairs, so it is a non-issue. But for those who wish to fly LH in F on a 747, but don't want to/ can't climb the stairs, then they can't fly in F at all.
Quoting Treeny (Reply 6): If you look at the BA 747-400 config for example, they dedicate their nose to First and then they have the 'main' business cabin along with seats upstairs - I may be wrong but I think it is more commercial than anything else......
This works best, partly because if BA put Club World in the nose they wouldn't get any more than the current 14 F seats in.
Nose works best for F in the 747 if you have a suite/demi-cabin type product like BA, SQ, CX, QF. However I really like the 747 upstairs, I've flown it many times with BA in Club World and like the exclusive feel (probably a little perceived there ) but most recently I've stuck to flying LHR-IAD-LHR where the 777 and 747 operate together. The 747 is far superior in it's own right as check-in seem to fill the main deck first, (I've flown with four other passengers upstairs before and with 2 FAs the service is superb!), more personal space if you get a window seat, two bathrooms. Pretty much everything about upstairs is better than the 777 or downstairs.
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Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10403 times:
Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 23): I've flown with four other passengers upstairs before and with 2 FAs the service is superb!), more personal space if you get a window seat, two bathrooms. Pretty much everything about upstairs is better than the 777 or downstairs.
All good, except the bins.
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: Excess weight. No need for it. Why do you think this?
: With the likely use of composites, the airframe would be lighter than a 747-8, therefore allowing its use. BTW IMO the 747 replacement should have tw
: Although weight is an important consideration, space is also extremely valuable. Then it wouldn't be a 747 would it? Tod
: Exactly. It would be the 747's successor, and also an A380 killer.
: With LH's first class product they fit 16 seats upstairs. AF has/had a similar sized F seat on their 744s and they fit 13 seats in the nose. So, LH fi
: And then of course there are airlines that operate a 2 class layout and so don't have any first class seats to place, like KLM.
: I find the bins are superb. I don't find the need to bring on 82" rollaboards (and if I did I'd get the crew to put it in the cupboard). I usually ca
: The sidewall stowbins are my favorite. You can stash all you little mid-flight amusements in there. I designed my first set back around 1980 and they
: The point of using composites to make a plane lighter is to lower the weight, not make room for more extravagant things. The cost of an elevator in t