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Flights From California To India?  
User currently offlineSpark From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 431 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5139 times:

This is something that I wonder about?
Why have other airlines basically surrended the California to India market to SQ?
In talking with various Indian friends I know, they all say that they fly to India via Singapore, which is a little like flying to New York via Miami. Nobody else really tries to compete on the market, and yet I believe it is a very lucrative market.
Why doesn't Air India fly to SFO? The Bay Area has a very large Indian population, which is mostly affluent. I realize that there is little loyalty with Air India from Indians, but it seems logical that they should try to at least serve SFO.
Another question, which is related, is Air Pacific only flying to LAX. Once again, there is a very large Fijian Indian population in the Bay Area, and I believe they could do well serving SFO.
Does anybody know why airlines aren't doing this?

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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Well AI does fly direct from LAX to DEL with a stop in FRA. That's a somewhat shorter flight in distance, including an SFO-LAX connection, than say SFO-SIN-DEL.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

I have no idea.. But at least airlines with hubs in SFO should start services to India. SFO/SJC-NRT-BLR on UA would work well - and the yields would be good as well. Currently UA sells a few seats on LH's SFO-FRA-BLR (which is perpetually sold out). Others like SQ, TG, MH, BA, AF etc. definitely have a fair amount of pax connecting from California to India.

This would be an ideal market for AI to use it's 777LR (if and when they are ordered and arrive). I don't think any US carrier has ordered ULR a/c that would work for this route (like SFO-BLR or MAA or HYD).



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

AI has plans to start a SFO service. The earlier Air Service Agreement between India and US restricted access to carriers from both sides to just four airports. AI served EWR, JFK, ORD and LAX. Now, with Indian carriers able to serve more cities, SFO is is the first new station that AI will add. Methinks a flight will be added in the Summer 2006 schedule, that is they can find a few more 744's to lease.


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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Speaking of which, I was looking at flights to India back in August for an October flight that were around US$1,500 per person at the time. While I have never been able to get the free time, the prices have since risen to US$8,000 person if I planned to go next week.

How? I'm trying to do SAN - IXE



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 4):
I planned to go next week.

The Christmas holiday is your issue there



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Quoting Lehpron (Reply 4):
I planned to go next week.

The Christmas holiday is your issue there

Good luck if you find a seat and if you do i won't be less than $2000



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User currently offlineOB1783P From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

Last time I flew from Singapore to Newark (before the non-stop), the 744 was at least 1/4 occupied by Indians. My neighbor was a very pretty lady who was constantly applying lotions, readjusting this and that. I talked with her about Indian cooking (my hobby), Kasoori Methi, Panir and so forth.

Anyway, hours after departure, she said "We are flying over my city," That was Kolkatta. Myself, I hate backtracking, and her itinerary would have driven me crazy. She explained that SQ was cheaper and also much nicer than AI. In Newark, I ended up helping a lot of the Indian passengers use the right immigration forms (unaccountably, the flight crew did not have enough forms, and some were in Portuguese). That was all very pleasant and cosmopolitan. My friend then connected onto a Houston flight on CO.

Funny, but next time I visit my dad in Paris, I firmly intend to fly AI, so that I can make up my own mind.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

Quoting OB1783P (Reply 7):
Anyway, hours after departure, she said "We are flying over my city," That was Kolkatta. Myself, I hate backtracking, and her itinerary would have driven me crazy. She explained that SQ was cheaper and also much nicer than AI.

AI's fares on certain sectors are not the cheapest. In fact, I believe that their LAX flight is rather expensive and you can get cheaper tix on VS, AF. Your post also raises another interesting issue - younger, more urbane Indians prefer flying with foreign carriers rather than AI. That said, AI still has a hardcore fan-club of conservative folks and foodies. You'll love the Indian food on AI.
I wonder how S2's international food quality is going to be?



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

Quoting Spark (Thread starter):
Why doesn't Air India fly to SFO? The Bay Area has a very large Indian population, which is mostly affluent. I realize that there is little loyalty with Air India from Indians, but it seems logical that they should try to at least serve SFO.
Another question, which is related, is Air Pacific only flying to LAX. Once again, there is a very large Fijian Indian population in the Bay Area, and I believe they could do well serving SFO.

Air India

It is very possible that in the near future you will see routes such as HYD-FRA-SFO via the 772. The San Francisco market has long been overlooked by many airlines. In addition it is also possible that Air India may route a flight from San Francisco to India via Paris, seeing as that United Airlines is dropping the route from its network. The potential is there. Hundreds of people per day travel from San Francisco to India. The market currently is in the hands of Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways, Korean Airlines, Lufthansa, Air France, British Airways, KLM, and Virgin Atlantic.

Air Pacific

It has been said for a long time that Air Pacific chose Los Angeles because of a favorable offer they were given back when they entered the North American market. San Francisco, as of recent has seen an increase in immigration, and travel from/to the South Pacific. If Air Pacific were to operate the San Francisco flight with the 737-800 as they do to Vancouver via Honolulu, the flight is sure to be a success. It could also be possible to route NAN-KOA-SFO as well. There is a good number of Fijians that live on the Big Island, from what has been heard. KOA, is equipped with Immigration facilities, and a simple operation 2, or 3 times per week on a route such as NAN-KOA-SFO could work with the 737-800, or 700. of course there is also the option of a nonstop on the 767-300, perhaps with a continuation to Portland or Seattle.

Air Tahiti Nui

Many have been talking about the chance of TN entering the San Francisco market with the A340 on a 3 flight per week basis. Of course this would only come into play when TN gained enough equipment to serve the route. It could be also possible that TN could route the service on a MEL or BNE-PPT-SFO route. In the past PPT was served from San Francisco by Qantas, Air France, and UTA. In the past PPT was served from Oakland by Corsair, and for a very short period AOM. There is a healthy demand for Tahiti from San Francisco, and the market is there. The old myth that Los Angeles, is the only airport that works, is no longer valid.


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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 4):
I'm trying to do SAN - IXE

Why? I may be mistaken, but weren't you the one who was moaning and groaning about how you dislike your ethnic origin, can't relate to it and don't want to have anything to do with it?


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 10):
Why? I may be mistaken, but weren't you the one who was moaning and groaning about how you dislike your ethnic origin, can't relate to it and don't want to have anything to do with it?

I had a surplus in scholarships and wanted to give my mom a vacation to India. If you want to be a douche by making assumptions and not giving any ideas, that is fine by me.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

Quoting Spark (Thread starter):
Why doesn't Air India fly to SFO? The Bay Area has a very large Indian population, which is mostly affluent. I realize that there is little loyalty with Air India from Indians, but it seems logical that they should try to at least serve SFO.

from what I know, AI want to fly to SFO sometime in spring of 2006....also, some family friends are traveling to India from SFO on LH via FRA.....heard it's not that bad...

Actually, if one looks at the International Terminal @ SFO during BA/VS check in/departure times, one will see many Indians, and I would assume a few are connecting to India..

I think EK will eventually try SFO, and it shouldn't be too difficult for pax to connect to India via DXB..



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User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Is LH an option, connecting in FRA?

I would think that BA is also an option, heading through LHR?

There is talk that UA will be returing to India post-bankruptcy. Although, UA 1 used to fly the "wrong" way (against prevailing winds LAX-HKK-DEL-LHR-LAX -- IIRC)

Also KL/NW through AMS from SFO.

What would be really interesting would be a non-stop SFO/LAX-India with a T7-LR.


User currently offlineSpink From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 318 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4566 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 1):
Well AI does fly direct from LAX to DEL with a stop in FRA. That's a somewhat shorter flight in distance, including an SFO-LAX connection, than say SFO-SIN-DEL.

The actual flight miles difference between the SFO-FRA-BLR or SFO-HKG-SIN-BLR is pretty minimal. I've done it both ways several times, including doing SFO-LAX-SIN-BLR (actually was about $3000 cheaper to fly on SQ19/20 than SQ1/2 go figure). In my experience, I like the SQ flights better than the LH flights. The service and IFE in SQ is much better. If someone started an SFO-BLR non-stop service, I'm pretty sure that it would be full all the time and they could probably charge a reasonable 10-20% premium for it as well.


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 11):
I had a surplus in scholarships and wanted to give my mom a vacation to India. If you want to be a douche by making assumptions and not giving any ideas, that is fine by me.

Ha! So your opinion hasn't changed, has it? Not that you had anything to say about that.

Besides, go back and reas what you wrote. And then identify where you said anything about sending your mother on holiday.

Cheers,

The Douche


User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Quoting Spark (Thread starter):
Why doesn't Air India fly to SFO?

The small fleet size should be the reason.
BOM/DEL are also connected by CX and KE over the pacific.


User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

With the new Canada/US open skies wouldnt it be possible for AC to use one of its 777LR's on a YVR-SFO-BLR route? That would be cool, UA would codeshare heavily and the flight would for sure go out full I would imagine.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 8):
That said, AI still has a hardcore fan-club of conservative folks and foodies. You'll love the Indian food on AI.

This is an unfortunate trend that even I have witnessed.....without any firm experience to base their opinions, most younger and middle age Indians have this tendency to outright condemn AI and praise foreign carriers....I have flown extensively on AI and recently had the misfortune to fly LH economy class....the highly opinionated Indian travelling public don't know what they are missing.....AI economy class is far better than LH....I'm waiting for the indignant responses.... duck 


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

By the way, AI flies from LAX to both DEL and BOM....

Lot of California based Indians prefer to fly either via SIN on SQ or via Seoul on Korean....I guess fares make a difference....and the Seoul route must be much faster than the SIN route....


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
AI economy class is far better than LH....I'm waiting for the indignant responses

Unfortunately the whole experience is much worse. The main reasons are:

* Lack of direct connectivity to most cities in India or the US (ex SFO-BLR on AI would involve SFO-LAX-FRA-BOM-BLR or something as convoluted)
* Poor ground staff attitude - ticket counters, check-in counters etc.
* And most importantly - terrible reliability/ontime performance. Things have got slightly better in the last 1-2 months, but the summer season was a washout for AI, what with multiple cancellations, AOG, innumerable delays etc. Plus you have the poor ground handling during such crisis situations.

Foreign carriers like TG/SQ/LH/AF/BA etc are paying more attention to secondary cities like BLR/HYD (all have almost daily frequencies ex-BLR) rather than the "national" carrier AI. No wonder some Indians are not making a beeline to catch an AI flight.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
This is an unfortunate trend that even I have witnessed.....without any firm experience to base their opinions, most younger and middle age Indians have this tendency to outright condemn AI and praise foreign carriers....

That is not true. I, for one, used to swear by Air India until recently. Because of their limited reach, I found the added inconvenience to be not worth the bother.

This is taken from a post I made a few months ago:

Air India need to get their act together, or die. Plain and simple.

Yes, we've all heard before the sob stories of how government interference is handicapping the 'airline' - but enough already. Government ownership is equally a blessing and a curse. The simultaneous wronged widow / bitch in the manger act got old a long time ago.

Here's a few things AI must do. Note that this applies to long-haul flights only (to Europe and beyond) because regional operations are a gone case.

And these are all based on my own experiences with Air India. Not on some fantasy.

1. Ground services
In my experience, AI rank lowest in the world in terms on ground service. Check-in, airport conditions, staff professionalism, baggage services, etc, etc.
Shabby, shabby, shabby - on all counts - except the LHR lounge.

2. Standardised schedules
You never know when your flight to London's going to depart, or where, if at all, it's going to stop on the way. The BOM-LHR-ORD flight has a different number and schedule every time. What is going on?

3. Cabin crew
Where do I start with this one? The tottering old dears on AI do a good job, no doubt. But service isn't exactly as stellar as it is made out to be. I've flown DL and AF between Bombay and Paris this year, and found service yo be far better on both. Of the 3, I'd rank DL first, followed closely by AF, with AI bringing up the rear.
I've only ever had 2 FAs in the upstairs cabin, which is pathetic. DL have 36 seats in BusinessElite and at least 4 FAs. AF have 36 seats in L'Espace Affaires and 4 FAs. AI have 34 seats in Executive and I've never seen more than 2 FAs.
Besides, I feel like the the grannies and grandpas serving me on AI should be seated and I should be serving them!

4. Inflight product standardisation
Yes, we all know AI's planes are leased, but that's no excuse for the varying aircraft configurations. Some planes have signage in English and Hindi, some in Korean. Some have PTVs, some don't. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. The DVD players may be handed out, or they may not be. They might work, or they might not.

5. PTVs
It's no longer acceptable to not have functioning PTVs, at least in First and Business, with the same programming, across your fleet. Leased or not.

6. Aircraft conditions
Tatty (not filthy, just tatty) planes. Worn upholstery. Varying carpets - ranging from UA grey to nothing at all.

7. Catering
Yes, AI have some really good food, with plenty of options. But, yet again, it's not all it's made out to be. I found both AF and even DL to be much better.
Delta usually have 4 or 5 selections. The ones I ate were very good.
Air France usually have less selections, maybe 2 or 3, but they're outstanding.
AI lose out on overall quality of meal service and presentation as well.
The salad and the dessert wrapped in cling wrap is just plain wrong.

Besides, what do you mean you 'ran out of rum'?

Also, change the ghastly faux-silver samovar-like thing you serve tea out of. Everyone knows it's cheap aluminium and it looks incredibly tacky. Even in an AI cabin.

And, for the last time, a small packet of chips is NOT an effing appetiser!


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 20):
Foreign carriers like TG/SQ/LH/AF/BA etc are paying more attention to secondary cities like BLR/HYD (all have almost daily frequencies ex-BLR) rather than the "national" carrier AI. No wonder some Indians are not making a beeline to catch an AI flight.

I agree with the rest of your comments Nimish, but not with this one.

You can't expect Air India to provide daily nonstop or one-stop service from Bombay, Delhi, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Madras, Hyderabad and Calcutta to everywhere in the world. No airline does that.

It's always going to be the foreign carriers who dominate the non-hub routes, just like you see in, for example, America. AA, DL etc fly internationally from only 4-5 cities each, most of which are their hubs. However, airlines like BA and AF fly to over a dozen cities each from their respective hubs.

For AI to be an effective international carrier, all their international flying must be concentrated at one or two hubs, at the most, with the odd route (Kerela - Middle East, for instance) filling the gaps.

That said, one of the biggest problems (in addition to those I talked about in my previous post) is that AI don't even service their one and only hub effectively. Until recently, you couldn't fly non-stop from Bombay to a single city east of Calcutta on Air India. They should at least sort out BOM operations first, before beginning to start random flights out of other cities.

Of course, the government isn't a big help in these matters. They often force AI & IC to fly routes that may not be commercially viable. All because someone, somewhere needs pleasing.

Not that AI help themselves either. They sontinue their belief-defying routings (eg: BOM-DEL-BKK-ICN, BOM-DEL-SIN, BOM-DEL-DXB, BOM-DEL-BKK-PVG etc), government mandated or not!


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

I have flown AI a few times. One other peeve is their cancellation/re-routing charges. They charge some of the highest fees. I had to cancel a ticket once and lost $350 compared to $200-250 on Asiana/Cathay etc. Also, if the return date is changed, you have to pay $125-150 extra. This is free on SQ/CX etc. And AI ticket rates are not too less compared to others. These little things add up. I am talking about economy fares here, not Business/First class.

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3219 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 22):
You can't expect Air India to provide daily nonstop or one-stop service from Bombay, Delhi, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Madras, Hyderabad and Calcutta to everywhere in the world. No airline does that.

Well - I would expect them to provide either that, or provide a true hub in BOM. Unfortunately they do neither (I mean how many feeder flights does AI have from BLR to BOM - maybe 1 a day if that? Taking your own example, contrast the domestic feeders to AA's or UA's hubs  Wow!).

Which then brings me back to my original comment - if the others can fill a widebody every day from BLR to assorted cities east or west, why doesn't AI start some dedicated services from BLR? (OK I know - they don't have the a/c, and they can't get over their BOM fixation either)

Unfortunately for AI, until they do that, they'll remain the last choice of folks from here (which is what this whole drivel was all about in the first place  Wink)



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25 Nimish : And don't forget the other big thing with running a true international hub - it cannot survive on O&D alone - you need to get a huge amount of feed i
26 LAXDESI : I paid $1650 for my daughter's ticket, leaving on Dec. 18, for LAX-BOM-MAA-BOM-LAX on AI. All other airlines were more expensive for MAA from LAX. Thi
27 Jaysit : Actually, its only 26 seats in J Class on the Upper deck. On my last flight, they had a middle-aged grumpy Parsee lady with hair that made her look l
28 Spink : Having done SFO-FRA-BOM-BLR, I can easily say, I would never do it again. The layover in BOM is horrible. The first airline that can do SFO-BLR is go
29 Post contains images Jasepl : That is true and I concur. That's what I meant when I mentioned the need for AI to at least service BOM effectively and then start worrying about oth
30 Spark : Cool, Thanks for all the information that was provided in this very interesting discussion. I learned quite a lot about that route: AI will likely sta
31 Spink : From what I know, Singapore, Lufthansa, and Thai, were almost always full into and out of Bangalore, I don't know what it is like right now with the
32 Post contains images Nimish : Because none of the armchair CEOs on this board actually own an airline But honestly - it's probably because BLR is a new phenomenon. Traditionally B
33 Spink : because SFO-BLR is at 7500 nm which puts it in the same range as LAX-SIN which is on the outside edge of a 772ER/773ER/744ER. So you pretty much need
34 Kaitak744 : People don't realy care for Air India. Most people going from the U.S. to India go on TG, SQ, BA, or Malaysian. Those airlines have the biggest India
35 Jaysit : Since we're on the topic of San Francisco - Bangalore flights, is it true that the idiotic Karnataka government has changed the name of Bangalore to B
36 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Gee, where's Pomnath when you need him?? A perfect opportunity for him to bash VS flights to India and their use of G-VBUS. Happy holidays Pomnath, th
37 Stealthpilot : Nope, but the idiotic government might/will change Bangalore to Bangalooru next year (Nov 1st). Guess it's a trend after Mumbai, Kolkata and Chennai.
38 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : AC don't have freedom rights from SFO-BOM do they? I think AI might go for possibly a nonstop route with their -200LR's... I think AI might be able t
39 Kaitak744 : I agree! better than AI's 20 year old scheme or AC's bare metal.
40 Nimish : This is when India's beuracracy becomes a blessing, since any such change is not certain until another year at the least. The proposal is to make it
41 Cricket : Huh??????? No-one I know calls it Bengaluru, and this is just an excuse to keep Deve Gowda happy. Instead of name-changing they should have improved
42 Post contains images Lehpron : How do you determine if my opinion has changed or not? You are not stating the assumptions you make, you just go ahead and make them; have you ever a
43 Nimish : Not doubting that, as it's possible you may not know many kannadigas. It's the locals (Kannadigas) who call the city bengaluru (in fact train tickets
44 COSPN : CO offers 1 Stop California EWR-DEL
45 Jasepl : I'm not contesting that. Of course SQ, TG, BA, AF etc have the potential to do more business our of Bangalore than AI. That's simply because the fore
46 Cricket : PeePee when he was populating the media with stories (via IC, AI and the MoCA) before the ASA talks with the UAE and Singapore 'leaked' some manifest
47 Jasepl : Exactly! If Bombay and Dilly O&D numbers to places like Singapore are so low, then surely Bangalore will be even lower. And that's exactly the market
48 Post contains images Jasepl : Oh don't stop! This is too entertaining! Allow me to quote: "Recently [my mother] gave me the "you'll never be white" lecture..." (Guess what? She's
49 Cricket : Some European ones - there is significant O&D traffic between UK and India, but carriers like KL, LH, AZ and AF make a killing on through traffic. Th
50 Himmat01 : Bangalore Bengaluru Mangalore Mangaluru Mysore Maisuru
51 Gr8Circle : AI's current scheme was adopted in 1971 and is still loved and admired by a LOTTTTTTTT of a.netters......
52 BigGSFO : Lest we forget CO via EWR and AA via ORD to DEL. Has there been much marketingof these two flights within the Indian community in California?
53 Kahala777 : As does: KLM Air France Lufthansa Swiss Virgin Atlantic Singapore Airlines Korean Airlines Cathay Pacific Why should they? People that travel to Indi
54 BigGSFO : The savvy traveller (and probably most on A.net) would agree with you however there is still a good population of people who are looking for the best
55 Jacobin777 : none that I have seen....certainly not in the Bay Area where there is a HUGE indian population.. from what I know, AA's ORD-DEL is doing ok from the
56 BigGSFO : Agreed and despite their SJC pull-down, there are still FF'ers in the area who would respond. The Tokyo flight is still operating so they do have a d
57 Post contains images Deaphen : I am surprised that no one has mentioned CX. If someone has, i have missed it. Infact i often fly to SFO and i always used to fly SQ but then i flew C
58 Post contains images Lehpron : ... Will AI's 787 be capable of LAX-BOM nonstop or are stops still required? As I understand it, the market for flights from USA to india varies to t
59 Post contains images BlrBird : AI did have a meeting with new airport (BIAL) company, don't know anything more than that
60 Jacobin777 : lol....AA has been doing a pretty decent job advertising their ORD-DEL route..but they should be doing more..... interestingly enough.....from the On
61 9V-SPJ : SQ has not really sewn up the market from LAX to India. I recently flew MH to India, and we bought our tickets for $1400, while SIA was $400 more. The
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