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Historical Snapshot - British Airways In 1977  
User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13242 times:

Having recently found a British Airways intercontinental timetable from 1977, I wondered whether anyone was interested to read of some of the highlights – a flashback to the past. Any comments/observations are welcome.

Supersonic future

Adverts featured Concorde flights to Bahrain and Washington cutting travelling times in half. Interesting, no Concorde flights to New York during this period

Multi-multi stop flights to Australia!

B747 flights to Brisbane, Australia with flight numbers BA 814 and BA888 were routed via Muscat-Kuala Lumpur-Singapore-Sydney or via Bahrain- Bombay-Singapore and Perth

Other airline flights were noted in the Stop Press section, such as Qantas flight QF001 which routed Melbourne-Sydney-Singapore-Bangkok-Bahrain-Frankfurt-London

“Poundstretcher” low fares to Canada and the USA

BA had non-stop VC-10 flights from Glasgow to Montreal. Some of these flights originated in Manchester

There were no BA flights from London to Vancouver. All flights noted on the timetable are Air Canada flights, using a mix of aircraft, mostly DC-8 and B747

All London-New York flights were operated by mostly B747 aircraft. The occasional VC-10 also operated some flights. All flights were designed BA 5xx

BA had no flights to San Franscisco. Flights were to Chicago via B747 and the connecting to United DC-8 service

Middle-east delights

Many non BA flights are noted throughout the timetable. For instance, Iran Air operated a B727 service from LHR to Abadan in Iran via Athens.

All BA LHR-DXB flights were all operated by the L1011

All BA LHR-CAI flights were operated by the B707

BA was flying B747s into Tehran along with VC-10s

Baghdad flights were operated by BA L1011s or VC-10s

The Tel Aviv-London flight shows it being operated by a BEA L1011 [BE485] on some days of the week, and Trident on the other days

Some of the advertising slogans used:

“Our 747s cover the whole world. If you’ve never tried one we’re giving you a lot of temptation – British Airways, We’ll take more care of you”

“Join the Jubilee – Fly British Airways” [to reflect the Queen’s silver jubilee in 1977]

Inflight entertainment. Finally the timetable even outlines inflight entertainment:

Flights outbound to the USA in April, May and June 1977 were showing the following films:

-The Cassandra Crossing
-The 7% Solution
-The Man in the Iron Mask
-The Silver Streak
-Fun with Dick and Jane


Eastern - Number One To The Sun
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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13225 times:

Quoting Palmjet (Thread starter):
BA had no flights to San Franscisco

Didnt BOAC operate the VC-10 on a routing of HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR?

KAHALA777


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13214 times:

Quoting Palmjet (Thread starter):
The Tel Aviv-London flight shows it being operated by a BEA L1011 [BE485] on some days of the week, and Trident on the other days

Why would it be shown as BEA when BOAC and BEA merged in 1974?


User currently offlineAmhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13202 times:

I love these sorts of things- its amazing to see how the world has changed in the past 28 years through this sort of lens. 1977- that was before Iran closed up again wasnt it? ( my birth year, forgive the ignorance!) Perhaps the saddest bit is that in 2005 there is a movie of the same name being shown in theatres as a remake.


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User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13164 times:

The 1977 timetable shows no BA services to HNL at all. All flights from HNL are Air New Zealand flights (at that time, TE) so it appears that by this time, BA no longer flew to HNL in its own right.

The timetable includes the BE code although interestingly, in the index, it says that BE = British Airways. Is it possible that although BOAC and BEA merged a few years earlier, they were still in the process of full integration and there were some flights that were dualcoded BA/BE?



Eastern - Number One To The Sun
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13148 times:

Is this a charter then?


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User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13113 times:

BOAC did fly to HNL but I think by 1977, they no longer flew there with their own aircraft. They must have pulled out sometime between 1973 and 1977.

All flights in this timetable are shown as Air New Zealand flights.



Eastern - Number One To The Sun
User currently onlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13099 times:

That was excellent - hell, anything that includes VC10s is great  Smile Loving the long multi-stop routes to Australia! How the world has changed! Thanks for doing that!

Trent.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineVSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 318 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13036 times:

On the Euro-Australia routes, I think its somewhere around Bahrain or Muscat where flight HAD to stop to accomodate the inevitable passenger "inversion"... Obviously, the closer you get to the equator (and/or the magentic poles) requires people who normally stand upright in the northern hemisphere to flip, if you will, to walking/standing on thier hands for re-entry to the southern hemisphere. Isn't that normal for Australia, being upside-down and all?

Thankfully today, flights can continue longer distances (and pole-to-pole) uninterruped thanks to modern advances in cabin pressurization and the like.

I think similar technology now available in the 787 swayed QFs new order, no?

LOL,
VSM

[Edited 2005-12-15 17:13:31]


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User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12982 times:

LOL. VSMike. Yeah mate. They had special "cabins" at the rear of each aircraft to allow Aussie passengers to make that "inversion" from feet to hands (in comfort) and without the prying eyes of fellow foreign travellers....

Now back to the topic itself!

Othere VC-10 routes in 1977 according to the timetable were -

London - Beirut
London - Blantyre (Malawi)
London - Mauritius via Khartoum and Nairobi
London - Mexico City
London - Karachi



Eastern - Number One To The Sun
User currently onlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 12955 times:

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 9):
Othere VC-10 routes in 1977 according to the timetable were -

London - Beirut
London - Blantyre (Malawi)
London - Mauritius via Khartoum and Nairobi
London - Mexico City
London - Karachi

Excellent... the VC10s were being phased out at this time, so I am not too surprised... would love to see a BOAC timetable from about 1969 to see the VC10 and 707 routes.

Still one of my greatest desires is to fly in a 10  Smile

Trent.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlinePalmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1223 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12915 times:

ClassicLover, if I can get hold of an older BOAC/BA timetable - I will let you know!

One of the longest VC-10 routes in the timetable appears to be BA759 which operated from London to Brunei via Doha, Bombay and Colombo.



Eastern - Number One To The Sun
User currently onlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12910 times:

Quoting Palmjet (Reply 11):
ClassicLover, if I can get hold of an older BOAC/BA timetable - I will let you know!

Thank you!

Trent.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12769 times:

Palmjet, thanks for a fascinating post.
I was at school at the time, when I wasn't, I'd ride my bike the few miles to the perimeter crossing at LHR, adjacent to the BA longhaul Engineering Base, (BOAC and BEA merger was somewhat botched, both former entities being shunted together, not merged, with duplication all across the board, this would ease after 1979, be largely eradicated after 1981).

I'd wait for B747-136's, maybe a brand new B747-236, or a L1011, or a VC-10 (nearly all Supers by then), the odd pax 707, rather more freighter ones, best of all, perhaps a new, sparkling Concorde!
G-BOAE, the 5th and last of the orignal BOAC order for 5 was delivered in July 1977, soon after it flew the Queen back from BGI, part of her Jubilee tour, I'd be on G-BOAE's last flight, to BGI, 27 years later.

Speaking of which, Concorde services to JFK started in November 1977, they would not be in the timetable, only approved finally a month before, but the thrice weekly IAD operation should be in there.


We are going to have to post some pics from 1977 I think!


User currently offlineFly2CHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12736 times:

That was awesome - thanks so much!

What was coverage in New Zealand like - any flights from Auckland or Christrchurch? I know in the late '80s they routed one flight per week LHR-MCT-SIN-PER-CHC


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12656 times:

This large batch may seem indulgent, for me at least, they are evocative, bringing back memories of younger, innocent days, as well as school lessons being occasionally interuppted by VC-10, or Trident, or sometimes a Concorde take off.
This is where my interest in aviation started;

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Part 2 to follow.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12629 times:

Part 2;

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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12584 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 1):
Didnt BOAC operate the VC-10 on a routing of HNL-SFO-JFK-LHR?

They flew the VC-10 (Super only, I assume) HNL-LAX-JFK. I've never seen a timetable showing VC-10s to SFO-- just DC-7C/Brit/707.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12579 times:

No BA Concorde pics from 1977 in the database, so these from 1978 will have to do, same livery, same interior;

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This VC-10 was spectacular at an airshow, though I understand the Capt got a bollocking for being a bit too low;

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User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12534 times:

Quoting GDB (Reply 18):
This VC-10 was spectacular at an airshow, though I understand the Capt got a bollocking for being a bit too low;

Yes it's true, he did get told off. The VC-10 was a fantastci aircraft to work and fly on, great aircraft all round

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12495 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 17):
They flew the VC-10 (Super only, I assume) HNL-LAX-JFK. I've never seen a timetable showing VC-10s to SFO-- just DC-7C/Brit/707


LHR-JFK-SFO-HNL-NAN-SYD-MEL SuperVC-10

2 March, 1961
BOAC Inaugurated the 707 on LHR-LAX

November, 1963
BOAC discontinues LAX

1 April, 1965
BOAC Inaugurated LHR-JFK-SFO

1 April, 1967
BOAC Inaugurates route to Australia via the South Pacific, in addition to the existing route via Asia.

http://www.bamuseum.com/


KAHALA777

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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13252 posts, RR: 77
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12469 times:

Wrightbrothers, you got that right, many of my former colleagues in Concorde Engineering were ex VC-10, some from building them at BAC, they all loved the aircraft.

In 1998, my Shift Manager took a quick shopping trip to Tyson's Corner in Washington, I asked if he enjoyed it, yes he said, but the best bit was on the aircraft taxiing to return home, he heard a once familiar sound, R/R Conways, then a RAF VC-10 taxied past, made his day!


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 12440 times:

Quoting VSMike (Reply 8):
On the Euro-Australia routes, I think its somewhere around Bahrain or Muscat where flight HAD to stop to accomodate the inevitable passenger "inversion"... Obviously, the closer you get to the equator (and/or the magentic poles) requires people who normally stand upright in the northern hemisphere to flip, if you will, to walking/standing on thier hands for re-entry to the southern hemisphere

your geography is awful - they did that at Kuala Lumpur or Singapore. LOL

Its also interesting to see that BA hardly served BKK in those days and KL and SIN were the usual stopovers and it wasn't until the late 1980s that BKK became a featured stopover.

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 14):
What was coverage in New Zealand like - any flights from Auckland or Christrchurch? I know in the late '80s they routed one flight per week LHR-MCT-SIN-PER-CHC

BA also operated an LHR-BKK-KUL-MEL-AKL flight just as the 747-436s arrived in the early 1990s. Prior to the late 80s, I am not sure what they did with NZ flights but I remember BA and TE (from 1986/7 onwards) operated a joint service at Kuala Lumpur where passengers arriving from LHR would transfer on to a TE/NZ 767 at Kuala Lumpur for the onward flight to Auckland. Of course those WERE the days when both BA and TE flew into KL...


User currently offlineJepstein From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 11579 times:

That's a really cool look into the past, with all those cool places and aircraft. Slogans are bit corny though.

Aren't they remaking Fun with Dick and Jane?


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11365 times:

What a fabulous blast to the past!! Very cool - we all thank you!

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Flights outbound to the USA in April, May and June 1977 were showing the following films:

-The Cassandra Crossing

Oh, The Cassandra Crossing - the train wreck of train wreck films...arguably the silliest plot in the known universe...hysterically bad. So of course, I loved it.  rotfl 

[Edited 2005-12-16 00:48:44]


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25 Post contains images ZKEYE : Hardly sounds like a suitable in flight movie!
26 Post contains images AirEuropeUK733 : That was so great to read - thanks very much for sharing Palmjet. I just love the retro stuff - especially from the late 70s early 80s, and like Class
27 Palmjet : Glad you all seem to like the info on BA from this timetable. They are fascinating insights into the past - and reveal much more than simply flights a
28 AirEuropeUK733 : They were still using that Viscount until the late 80s!! I went to GIB in 1987 and it was still there!! AE733
29 Hypersonic : GDB - If you don't mind me asking, - In one of your posts above, you mentioned being a child in 1977, as was I... (7yrs old) - But it was the bit abou
30 SQ773 : I Love this topic ! Can anyone tell me which stops did the VC-10 destination Mexico DF ? cheers ! sq773
31 Palmjet : SQ773 - the 1977 timetable shows BA flights from London to Mexico City all being operated by the VC10. BA240 on a Tuesday went via Nassau and Bermuda
32 Wrighbrothers : GDB, You know what the sacriest thing is, my dad had been working for BOAC for 8 years by that time, and was working inside those hangers !! Wrighbro
33 Welwitschia : mmmmhhh- I remember seeing the "Cassandra Crossing" on a flight from Germany to South Africa in 1977 as a seven year old - made me very scared. In tho
34 AIR MALTA : Can anybody list all the destinations served by BA in 1977 from all UK airport? thanks
35 AirAmericaC46 : I love this thread! Hello Palmjet! Can you tell me what routes BA 747s flew into Bernuda, Caribbean, Mexico at that time? Did BA 747 fly into Georgeto
36 Palmjet : Hi AirAmericaC46 Here's what I could find: No BA B747 services from LHR to MEX at all in this timetable period Flights from LHR to Bermuda were a mix
37 Ssides : Can you list the US cities that BA served at that time? I'm wondering if they had entered markets like DEN, DFW, IAH, ATL, TPA, etc. I'm sure they wer
38 Palmjet : Flights to the following US cities are mentioned in the 1977 timetable: Atlanta (via BOS and connect with DL) Anchorage (B747) Boston (B747/707) Chica
39 Kahala777 : Amazingly now they are in the market with: LAX-LHR 3 x 747-400 SFO-LHR 2 x 747-400 KAHALA777
40 Formerhongky : I remember flying YMX-LHR in 1981 on a BA 707. Had to have been one of their last ones I think. When we arrived at LHR I was so excited because we wer
41 GDB : Hypersonic, I lived in Hayes then.
42 Stirling : So if I'm reading the list correctly, the only airports in the US that BA used its own metal to were: ANC BOS ORD DTW MIA JFK PHL IAD ? That Anchorage
43 Post contains images Hypersonic : GDB, - I knew Hayes well. I moved to West Drayton when I was 11. WD is a nasty Chav ridden shit hole now (well, more-so Yiewsley..(pronounced Yeewwzzz
44 David_itl : Minor quibble - it was PIK. Didn't they also operate a MAN-PIK-YUL-ORD service around that time with 747s? And for completeness, the other long-haul
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