Palmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 16 Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11058 times:
Having recently found a British Airways intercontinental timetable from 1977, I wondered whether anyone was interested to read of some of the highlights – a flashback to the past. Any comments/observations are welcome.
Adverts featured Concorde flights to Bahrain and Washington cutting travelling times in half. Interesting, no Concorde flights to New York during this period
Multi-multi stop flights to Australia!
B747 flights to Brisbane, Australia with flight numbers BA 814 and BA888 were routed via Muscat-Kuala Lumpur-Singapore-Sydney or via Bahrain- Bombay-Singapore and Perth
Other airline flights were noted in the Stop Press section, such as Qantas flight QF001 which routed Melbourne-Sydney-Singapore-Bangkok-Bahrain-Frankfurt-London
“Poundstretcher” low fares to Canada and the USA
BA had non-stop VC-10 flights from Glasgow to Montreal. Some of these flights originated in Manchester
There were no BA flights from London to Vancouver. All flights noted on the timetable are Air Canada flights, using a mix of aircraft, mostly DC-8 and B747
All London-New York flights were operated by mostly B747 aircraft. The occasional VC-10 also operated some flights. All flights were designed BA 5xx
BA had no flights to San Franscisco. Flights were to Chicago via B747 and the connecting to United DC-8 service
Many non BA flights are noted throughout the timetable. For instance, Iran Air operated a B727 service from LHR to Abadan in Iran via Athens.
All BA LHR-DXB flights were all operated by the L1011
All BA LHR-CAI flights were operated by the B707
BA was flying B747s into Tehran along with VC-10s
Baghdad flights were operated by BA L1011s or VC-10s
The Tel Aviv-London flight shows it being operated by a BEA L1011 [BE485] on some days of the week, and Trident on the other days
Some of the advertising slogans used:
“Our 747s cover the whole world. If you’ve never tried one we’re giving you a lot of temptation – British Airways, We’ll take more care of you”
“Join the Jubilee – Fly British Airways” [to reflect the Queen’s silver jubilee in 1977]
Inflight entertainment. Finally the timetable even outlines inflight entertainment:
Flights outbound to the USA in April, May and June 1977 were showing the following films:
-The Cassandra Crossing
-The 7% Solution
-The Man in the Iron Mask
-The Silver Streak
-Fun with Dick and Jane
Amhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11018 times:
I love these sorts of things- its amazing to see how the world has changed in the past 28 years through this sort of lens. 1977- that was before Iran closed up again wasnt it? ( my birth year, forgive the ignorance!) Perhaps the saddest bit is that in 2005 there is a movie of the same name being shown in theatres as a remake.
Palmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 16 Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10980 times:
The 1977 timetable shows no BA services to HNL at all. All flights from HNL are Air New Zealand flights (at that time, TE) so it appears that by this time, BA no longer flew to HNL in its own right.
The timetable includes the BE code although interestingly, in the index, it says that BE = British Airways. Is it possible that although BOAC and BEA merged a few years earlier, they were still in the process of full integration and there were some flights that were dualcoded BA/BE?
VSMike From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 311 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10852 times:
On the Euro-Australia routes, I think its somewhere around Bahrain or Muscat where flight HAD to stop to accomodate the inevitable passenger "inversion"... Obviously, the closer you get to the equator (and/or the magentic poles) requires people who normally stand upright in the northern hemisphere to flip, if you will, to walking/standing on thier hands for re-entry to the southern hemisphere. Isn't that normal for Australia, being upside-down and all?
Thankfully today, flights can continue longer distances (and pole-to-pole) uninterruped thanks to modern advances in cabin pressurization and the like.
I think similar technology now available in the 787 swayed QFs new order, no?
Palmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 16 Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10798 times:
LOL. VSMike. Yeah mate. They had special "cabins" at the rear of each aircraft to allow Aussie passengers to make that "inversion" from feet to hands (in comfort) and without the prying eyes of fellow foreign travellers....
Now back to the topic itself!
Othere VC-10 routes in 1977 according to the timetable were -
London - Beirut
London - Blantyre (Malawi)
London - Mauritius via Khartoum and Nairobi
London - Mexico City
London - Karachi
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12713 posts, RR: 80 Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10585 times:
Palmjet, thanks for a fascinating post.
I was at school at the time, when I wasn't, I'd ride my bike the few miles to the perimeter crossing at LHR, adjacent to the BA longhaul Engineering Base, (BOAC and BEA merger was somewhat botched, both former entities being shunted together, not merged, with duplication all across the board, this would ease after 1979, be largely eradicated after 1981).
I'd wait for B747-136's, maybe a brand new B747-236, or a L1011, or a VC-10 (nearly all Supers by then), the odd pax 707, rather more freighter ones, best of all, perhaps a new, sparkling Concorde!
G-BOAE, the 5th and last of the orignal BOAC order for 5 was delivered in July 1977, soon after it flew the Queen back from BGI, part of her Jubilee tour, I'd be on G-BOAE's last flight, to BGI, 27 years later.
Speaking of which, Concorde services to JFK started in November 1977, they would not be in the timetable, only approved finally a month before, but the thrice weekly IAD operation should be in there.
We are going to have to post some pics from 1977 I think!
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12713 posts, RR: 80 Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10472 times:
This large batch may seem indulgent, for me at least, they are evocative, bringing back memories of younger, innocent days, as well as school lessons being occasionally interuppted by VC-10, or Trident, or sometimes a Concorde take off.
This is where my interest in aviation started;
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 12713 posts, RR: 80 Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10285 times:
Wrightbrothers, you got that right, many of my former colleagues in Concorde Engineering were ex VC-10, some from building them at BAC, they all loved the aircraft.
In 1998, my Shift Manager took a quick shopping trip to Tyson's Corner in Washington, I asked if he enjoyed it, yes he said, but the best bit was on the aircraft taxiing to return home, he heard a once familiar sound, R/R Conways, then a RAF VC-10 taxied past, made his day!
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2916 posts, RR: 6 Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10256 times:
Quoting VSMike (Reply 8): On the Euro-Australia routes, I think its somewhere around Bahrain or Muscat where flight HAD to stop to accomodate the inevitable passenger "inversion"... Obviously, the closer you get to the equator (and/or the magentic poles) requires people who normally stand upright in the northern hemisphere to flip, if you will, to walking/standing on thier hands for re-entry to the southern hemisphere
your geography is awful - they did that at Kuala Lumpur or Singapore. LOL
Its also interesting to see that BA hardly served BKK in those days and KL and SIN were the usual stopovers and it wasn't until the late 1980s that BKK became a featured stopover.
Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 14): What was coverage in New Zealand like - any flights from Auckland or Christrchurch? I know in the late '80s they routed one flight per week LHR-MCT-SIN-PER-CHC
BA also operated an LHR-BKK-KUL-MEL-AKL flight just as the 747-436s arrived in the early 1990s. Prior to the late 80s, I am not sure what they did with NZ flights but I remember BA and TE (from 1986/7 onwards) operated a joint service at Kuala Lumpur where passengers arriving from LHR would transfer on to a TE/NZ 767 at Kuala Lumpur for the onward flight to Auckland. Of course those WERE the days when both BA and TE flew into KL...