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Tupolev TU154 And The USA  
User currently offlineAirworldA320 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 316 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9078 times:

Is there/are there any regular flights into the USA using the TU154?

[Edited 2005-12-15 16:31:25]


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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9057 times:

NO, I doubt it

As far as I know, Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace. I know Cubanas IL-62's had to avoid American airspace when flying to YUL and YYZ. Now Cubana has gotten around that problem by using TACA's A320 to fly into YYZ.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9043 times:

Not that I'm aware of. The good old Soviet SU also never flew to the US with the Tu-154, they used IL-86 and IL-62. The post Soviet SU used IL-96, 772, A310 and 763.

However, in the mid-90s Magadan airlines used to operate flights into SEA on the Tu-154.


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They no longer do.

In the database there are also a few pics of Guyana and Cubana Tu-154 in US airports. I don't know whether those flights were scheduled. I don't think there are any scheduled flights now.



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User currently offlineYukonTrader From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8977 times:

Hi guys,

Quoting EHHO (Reply 2):
However, in the mid-90s Magadan airlines used to operate flights into SEA on the Tu-154.

Magadan also used to be a pretty frequent (1x week?) visitor to ANC/ Anchorage airport for many years. What happened to these flights? Similarily, I recall regular flights with Aeroflot Il-62s and even the occasional An-24/26 visiting ANC in the past.

Some people tend to reduce the US to the lower 48, but my guess would be that ANC is probably the spot in the US where you stand the best chances of seeing GUS-built airliners (Inuit families do live either side of the Bering straight, so there's actually some local demand which at least in the past was enough to sustain a few flights a month between the US and Northwestern territories of Siberia).

Cheers, Lukas


User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8959 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
As far as I know, Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace.

Sorry for my ignorance - why are they not allowed into US airspace? Is this a Cold War thing or other issues?


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8940 times:

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 4):
As far as I know, Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace.

Sorry for my ignorance - why are they not allowed into US airspace? Is this a Cold War thing or other issues?

This is a falacy.

The former Soviet Union and many eastern European airlines flew Russian A/C to the US for years!


User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8908 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
As far as I know, Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace. I know Cubanas IL-62's had to avoid American airspace when flying to YUL and YYZ. Now Cubana has gotten around that problem by using TACA's A320 to fly into YYZ



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 5):
This is a falacy.

The former Soviet Union and many eastern European airlines flew Russian A/C to the US for years!

I agree with Dtwclipper. They are certainly allowed in Canada. Just last week I annoyed my spouse by insisting that we stop so that I could get a good look at an An-12 parked at YYT.

Wasn't the Cubana thing related to a ban on Cuban aircraft due the present state of US-Cuba relations?


User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8883 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace

OK, so what is this monster doing in IAH after Hurricane Katrina?


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

The problems with Cubana Il62s was because of the wacky world of US politics, not Cubana's choice of equipment. I suspect they have just as much difficulty flying their leased A320s in US airspace as they ever did with the Il62s.

And the reason eastern European airlines have ditched their Russian built planes across the Atlantic is cos they can't make money with them (and possibly noise regulations), not cos of any US rules about Russian planes. In the old days, LOT, Malev, CSA and Aeroflot all flew Il62s to JFK and other US cities. Even at the height of the cold war, Aeroflot served JFK and elsewhere (Miami, SFO, Washington?).



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User currently offlineYukonTrader From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8875 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 5):
The former Soviet Union and many eastern European airlines flew Russian A/C to the US for years!

...but some of these types do no longer fulfill the existing noise regulations of the US (and the EU as well, for that matter) and are therefore banned from flying commercially into the US (and EU-member states), along with those Western types that exceed tolerated noise levels. I.e. this is no cold war thing, it is simply the result of stricter environmental laws coming into force.

Lukas


User currently offlineFrostbite From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 396 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
As far as I know, Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace.

Russian made aircraft not allowed in US airspace?! Hogwash!

The grand AN-124 stops through FAI (my home airport) all the time...likewise ANC, and many other lower 48 airports. The IL-76 may occasionally be seen also. Just do a photo search! Granted these are not scheduled, these are ad hoc charters.

As for scheduled ops...the only service I'm aware of is Mavial's once-weekly pax service to ANC from the Russian Far East (Vladivostok, Petropavlovsk, Magadan IIRC) with a Tu-154M. It is a turnaround early Sunday mornings, IIRC. I saw it in the gate several times over the past year during my own travels through ANC. They've maintained counter space at the North Terminal for years.

I am not sure if Aeroflot still operates the IL-96 on any transatlantic ops to the US....


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8843 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
As far as I know, Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace. I know Cubanas IL-62's had to avoid American airspace when flying to YUL and YYZ. Now Cubana has gotten around that problem by using TACA's A320 to fly into YYZ.

I bet as I am writing this, a Russian made freighter is sitting at a US airport.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8825 times:

Hi!

Guyana Airways was at one time the only regular airline that operated the TU154. Infact one day they had a problem with one of the engines of the plane and a russian AN12 came to Miami to replace the engine.


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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

Quoting Frostbite (Reply 10):
I am not sure if Aeroflot still operates the IL-96 on any transatlantic ops to the US....

Nope, they don't anymore. Nowadays they only use them on a few Far East runs from SVO.



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8739 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
LOT, Malev, CSA and Aeroflot all flew Il62s to JFK and other US cities

Malev never had Il-62's, only TU-134, 154 and Yak-42. The first Malev flight to JFK was in 1993 with a B767.

Quoting EHHO (Reply 7):
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace

OK, so what is this monster doing in IAH after Hurricane Katrina?

I meant commercial pax planes, I know that Volga and other airlines operates numerous flight with the AN-124 and the Myra to the US.
But the FAA did revoke fly-worthy certificates for certain TU and IL aircraft in the 90's. Perhaps they have been reinstated.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 14):
Quoting EHHO (Reply 7):
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace

Up until a few years ago, Aeroflot regularly flew Russian made commercial a/c into the States. IL-86's, IL-62's etc. Domededovo plans service into MIA using the IL-86. So yes, Russian made aircraft are indeed allowed ito the US.



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User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Aeronica from Nicaragua flew the TU-154 into MIA years ago.


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8674 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 14):
But the FAA did revoke fly-worthy certificates for certain TU and IL aircraft in the 90's. Perhaps they have been reinstated.

If you do a simple A.Net data base search on the IL62, for example, you will see them in an array of commercial airlines and government ops at US airports throughout the '90's.


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

Quoting Tu154 (Reply 15):
. Domededovo plans service into MIA using the IL-86

How many stops will they have to make before MIA due to the IL-86's
not so great range?



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

I believe the Domodedovo plans are with an IL-96, not the IL-86. The -86 would need to stop in Shannon or Gander (or both) to make it to Miami. The IL-96 can probably make it non-stop. Obviously, aside from noise restrictions limiting commercial ops, no Soviet/Russian/Ukrainian aircraft are "banned" from the US. One can do a search of the database and see many types at many US airports. The IL-96 is also used on European routes and very occasionally to the US as an equipment switch.

User currently offlineSterne82 From Belgium, joined May 2000, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8486 times:

As Domodedovo have no IL-86s but 3 IL-96-300s, the answer is quite clear: It's one IL-96 which will be used non-stop to Miami.

Rgds.


User currently offlineNW727251ADV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8448 times:

I live in Maryland near Andrews Airforce Base. One day I was driving on I-95 North and I saw two VERY LOW flying planes. The first plane looked like a 727 until I noticed the tail of the aircraft as it flew above my car. It had that pointed fairing protruding from the top-front of the t-tail and thats when I looked at the wings and I saw the triple-main boogie and the pods on the wings where the gear retracts. I YELLED! I couldn't believe I was seeing a TU-154!!! I never dreamed I'd see one at all let alone in my area! Then immediately behind the TU-154 there was an Airbus A300 trailing right behind it. I couldnt believe that! They both looked like private/military aircraft. That 154 was really a sight though.

User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8407 times:

First off, the AN225 and AN124 are Ukraine made.

If I can remember correctly the TU154 was banned or soemthing like that after an incident in Seattle where the plane landed on the Freeway next to the airport or almost landed on the freeway. I forget. The IL96 was grounded. Don't know if it still is though.


User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8340 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 22):
an incident in Seattle where the plane landed on the Freeway next to the airport or almost landed on the freeway.

Wow, anyone have specs on this?

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 22):
First off, the AN225 and AN124 are Ukraine made.

I know, but for the sakes of safety/environment and even politics, there's not much difference. They're all Soviet.



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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1677 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 8321 times:
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Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 1):
As far as I know, Russian made commercial aircraft are not allowed into US airspace. I know Cubanas IL-62's had to avoid American airspace when flying to YUL and YYZ. Now Cubana has gotten around that problem by using TACA's A320 to fly into YYZ.

Krisyyz

Not true, before Western models were introduced to Aeroflot, Russian models were flown to the US.

Anything from Cuba is not "allowed" in American Airspace.



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25 Tu154 : Correction....I should have typed IL-96
26 Afay1 : Why would an airplane be banned because the pilots made a landing error? Every model plane in the world should be banned according to that logic; and
27 Post contains links and images FlyMIA : The Cubana IL-62s is because it is from Cubana Airlines. Planes are allowed to fly from Cuba to the US though. AA,CO,UA all have flights to HAV from
28 IRelayer : Umm I've seen pics in this database, just by casual browsing of IL-62's (Aeroflot, Malev, and CSA all at JFK I think), IL-76's of various air forces,
29 Post contains links and images Olympus69 : Nonsense. Apart from anything else, I doubt if Cubana Tu-154s, which also flew HAV-YYZ, had enough range to fly non-stop avoiding US airspace. Oh, re
30 KrisYYZ : Malev never had any IL jet aircraft, the first Malev Transatlantic flight was with HA-LHC (B767) in 93. I never said TU-154, I said IL-62.
31 CalAir : How do those TU-154 get to the US? I thought they were pretty much on par with the 727 on performance/range and so surely no airline could operate the
32 Tu154 : Malev flew the IL-14 and the IL-18!!! Where do you get your information from??? Do a photo search on Malev and it's Ilyushin aircraft.....please!
33 Crownvic : Back in the mid 90's Page Avjet in Orlando Florida did several TCAS installations on some Aeroflot equipment. I have several videos of at least three
34 Tu154 :
35 Post contains images TomTurner : As previously mentioned: Aeroflot, CSA & LOT did indeed all fly IL-62s to the USA in regularly commercial service. (I believe Aeroflot also operated I
36 KrisYYZ : Which one is a JET aircraft. Im very aware of the IL-14 and IL-18 that Malev had... but they where not JET Ilyushins!!!!!!! Perhaps you should read t
37 Tu154 : Perhaps I should have read it more carefully. I stand corrected.
38 EHHO : Yes, really.. Please read my post: the good old Soviet SU I said. Your pic shows a Tu-154 in 90s SU livery, plus it's in SEA, which makes me think it
39 Post contains images Olympus69 : I read your post and noticed that you did not list the TU-154 as`being used in the 90s. Also I don't understand 'SU'. It obviously doesn't stand for
40 KBGRbillT : Click on SU and you'll see that it stands for Aeroflot airline. It's an IATA airline code.[Edited 2005-12-16 05:58:18][Edited 2005-12-16 05:59:36]
41 EHHO : No problem man, it's just hard to believe Aeroflot sending a Tu-154 to SEA. I've been monitoring Aeroflot flights to the USA for years now, and have n
42 Post contains images EHHO : Man, you beat me to it!!
43 Tu154m : Hey Kris... Malev did indeed operate one IL-62 in 1991 for four months. It was leased from CSA and registered HA-LIA, c/n 4933456. You can see a pict
44 DC3CV3407AC727 : Guyana flew their TU-154s into JFK back in'86, they were subbibg for their 707s,which were the last regularly scheduled pax 707s into JFK.
45 Post contains images Olympus69 : Thanks. I remembered that after it was too late to edit my post
46 Don81603 : We get AN-124's here in Winterpeg on a fairly regular basis (Once I week, I think) I just never seem to be in the right place at the right time, even
47 FlyMeToTheMoon : Tarom Romanian (RO) used to fly IL62s into JFK and ORD via Shannon until 1991 when they replaced them with A310-300.
48 Post contains links and images BHXDTW : View Large View MediumPhoto © Tom Turner View Large View MediumPhoto © Volodymyr Stefanyshyn Nice...eh ? both at JFK
49 Post contains links KrisYYZ : WOW, I'll take your word for it. I never Knew that, not even my brother-in-law knew, and he has been a Malev FA for 27 years!! From Malev.com -July 2
50 MD80Nut : As FlyMIA says, we have Russian turboprops operating out of Opa-Locka airport here in the Miami area. I live near that airport and see them regularly.
51 N1120A : They don't all come from Russia or fly from Moscow. Magadan's TU-154 flies from the Russian Far East to Anchorage, which is not that far.
52 A342 : Read the text under the 2nd pic and you´ll se who those really were and why they were there. I think the newer Tu-154 have a bit more range than the
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