ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 8 Posted (7 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 8053 times:
I just saw this thing on TV and thought I'd share with a.netters. It's called a "knee defender", which one would insert on the seat in front of him/her to disable the reclining of the seat in front. Basically, it's clamps that you would put between the base of the seatback tray and the seatback, which would effectively block the reclining of the seat. Does anyone here use this 'device'? How do airlines react to it?
Ba97 From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 8030 times:
I have to get one of these. Many times I have watched my laptop screen start to buckle when I am caught by the reclining seat in front. I wonder what the "rule" is, not the etiquette, on reclining. Do I own "rights" to the full use of the tray for my seat? I can see a few cross words on this gizmo.
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AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3661 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 7988 times:
If a guy put that on my seat I would slam my seat backwards repeatedly to break that thing. I'm 6'5" and when I buy a seat I am buying the range of motion that comes with it, nobody other than a uniformed crew member can tell me otherwise.
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Qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2221 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 7897 times:
It is specifically prohibited on board AA. We've even added wording to the American Way magazine: Devices that could cause damage to equipment or that may diminish the design, function, or capability of the aircraft are prohibited. This was added as a direct result of the Knee Defender and other products like it.
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AJRfromSYR From United States of America, joined May 2005, 454 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 7864 times:
Quoting Qqflyboy (Reply 6): It is specifically prohibited on board AA. We've even added wording to the American Way magazine: Devices that could cause damage to equipment or that may diminish the design, function, or capability of the aircraft are prohibited. This was added as a direct result of the Knee Defender and other products like it.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 7815 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8): If someone tried to use them on me I would flush them down the nearest toilet.
Ummm...do you mean the person or the device? Last I checked, the airplane lav holes weren't big enough to fit a person through, and they probably aren't big enough to fit a device like this through either.
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Nonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1289 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 7778 times:
This has been around well over a year, we even had a lengthy thread about it. A couple of things worth mentioning:
(1) You can only use it if your tray table is extended.
(2) The device can be defeated by excessive force from the passenger who is trying to recline. This will result in damage to the tray table.
I doubt very many of these things are sold since I have yet to hear a horror story about a conflict regarding one of these devices. If I find I am being restricted from reclining, I am first going to ask nicely to remove the device. If that fails, then I am going to put my strength into defeating that device. Seriously, if you think I am going to go on an overnight flight without reclining, you are delusional.
Abba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1170 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 7759 times:
Quoting Ba97 (Reply 2): I have to get one of these. Many times I have watched my laptop screen start to buckle when I am caught by the reclining seat in front. I wonder what the "rule" is, not the etiquette, on reclining. Do I own "rights" to the full use of the tray for my seat? I can see a few cross words on this gizmo.
Then there are the odd fellow who - being told not to recline during meals by the FAs - at the very moment their back are turned towards them recline their seats again. I have once got a glass of beer all over the place due to such moron. I'd rather see airlines adopting seats where the recline function could be turned on and off.
PS as a matter of principle I will not consider myself as a policeman of the flight and if and when it might be necessary - for what ever reason - to have people being told something I will call the FAs. They have the authority. Not me.
AJRfromSYR From United States of America, joined May 2005, 454 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 7717 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 13): The guy that sells the Knee Defenders will soon go out of business when all the B787's, A350's and A380's with the fancy wraparound modular seats, I've seen in there cabin mock-ups.
Well that and if he wants to use his laptop he can go to the onboard internet cafe right?
Symphonik From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 7694 times:
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 5): If a guy put that on my seat I would slam my seat backwards repeatedly to break that thing. I'm 6'5" and when I buy a seat I am buying the range of motion that comes with it, nobody other than a uniformed crew member can tell me otherwise.
I'm 6' 6", so I'm surprised by your reaction. I know your knees press right up against the seat in Y. Doesn't it break your kneecaps when someone leans back into you?
I'm not saying I'd buy one of these—unlike the buyers of this crap, I have the (cough) "testicular fortitude" to just say, "hey man, my knees are right in your seat, mind not reclining?"—but certainly your "I'm going back whether you like it or not, biatch!" attitude is a bit strange for someone so tall.
I love this quote from the "courtesy card": Knee Defenders are small plastic devices that help me protect myself.
FLAIRPORT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 7670 times:
Quoting Luisca (Reply 4): Would you like to be the guy in front? who cant recline becouse you are such a jerk?. If you dont want to be cramped then dont fly fricking coach.
Some airlines only have coach. My suggestion is to fly in the bulkhead row. I did this yesterday BDL-FLL...I was able to cross my legs on board...and in the leather seats on Song, it felt like I was in my family room!
That being said, I have never and will never recline, no matter how uncomfortable I feel, in coach unless there is noone in the seat behind me. I do it out of common courtesy.
Aileron11 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 183 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 7639 times:
I can see a big fight break out because of these foolish device and the plane has to divert because of it and that will be the end of the knee defenders on all flights. The forums on A.net alone discussing these knee defenders causing people to be disgruntle and we are all on the ground.
Joness0154 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 667 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 7549 times:
No one is going to tell me whether I can recline my seat or not. If someone put that device onn the back of my chair you could be they'd be gone in a few minutes as I continuously tried to recline my seat.
If meals were out, etc, I'd not recline my seat, but once the guy behind me was done I'm gonna make myself as comfy as I want to be.
If you have long legs, etc....sit in an exit row, first class, or fly a different airline.
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Whauet From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 7504 times:
The irony is that when you are in a car and have people in the rear seat, the passengers in the front almost always ask, "Do you have enough room?" as they slowly move the seat back. We do it when we have friends in the car, we do it when we have co-workers in the car (even those you don't like, but since you were the only one who rented a car and have to play 'taxi', you still extend that courtesy). Even more so, how many people who would buy this product and/or thinks it's the best idea in the world recline their own seat? (Yeah, I think I see a lot of hands raised)...
I recline my seat all the way back maybe 50% of the time, the rest of the time it's reclined about halfway, but when I do, I do it slowly. I'll move it back a little, wait a few moments, move it back a little more - giving the person behind me an implied warning that it's happening. Just because you're sitting behind me and I don't know you doesn't mean that your comfort is irrelevant... Unfortunately, not everyone behaves in that manner.
I don't think it's so much a matter of the fact that the person in front of you reclines the seat, it's that they slam their seat back in a single moment as if they're bracing for a space launch. There's tension on the seat to allow it to move back into the upright position on it's own, there should be an opposite tension so that the person can still recline the seat, but it's a relatively gradual process so that the person behind can have warning.
Symphonik From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 7437 times:
Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 20): If you have long legs, etc....sit in an exit row, first class, or fly a different airline.
Wow, what a total ass.
Hopefully you get some disease or other something else you can't control, and get treated that same way. Some of us have to buy our plane tickets just like you, or get stuck on a full airplane just like you.
Get over yourself, twit. You lean back after I ask you, politely, not to smash my knees and I will punch the back your head so hard you'll sleep the whole way home.
Symphonik From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 7420 times:
Quoting FLAIRPORT (Reply 16): That being said, I have never and will never recline, no matter how uncomfortable I feel, in coach unless there is noone in the seat behind me. I do it out of common courtesy.
Thank you, sir. I should mention before I just seem like a bitter man that most people are very, very understanding (or don't recline in the first place) and don't mind not reclining. I fly a lot, and only very occasionally do I get the self-important turd seated ahead of me.
I'll take a crying baby over a spoiled adult any day.
25 Type-Rated: I can just see it now, someone on a SFO-LHR flight boards, gets to their seat in economy and sees one of these "courtesy cards" in their seat..... The
26 IRelayer: While I rarely recline my seat, If someone handed me this card I would be highly offended. Depending on my mood I might even write a note on the rever
27 Symphonik: How about, "COUPON GOOD FOR ONE (1) SPINE, HUMAN." Eh, I'm not a comedian. I would like to hear if any F/As have actually seen these. It's kind of li
28 Goingboeing: A thought....do the people who use the knee defender recline their OWN seat??
29 Nonrevman: Here is the best compromise I can think of: (1) There is no real need to recline on short flights or when meal service is in progress. Usually, meals
30 Joness0154: Hah, I was pretty inebriated last night when I wrote that, but I will still stick to my guns. You know you have long legs. Buy your plane ticket in a
31 Gr8Circle: Now, that's a very selfish attitude....I think just because a seat reclines, one should not use it all the way....it is necessary to think of the per
32 ANother: Careful, the air marshals might think you were a terroist, and if you lived - you would probably have to deal with the diversion to Reykavick or Sond
33 Airtrainer: Oh well, and could you tell us how do you act with the people BEHIND you ? Congratulations, Flairport
34 BA757: Spot on! If only more people would adopt that attitude. This is my big gripe with air travel - reclining seats. For gods sake ban them in Y. Simple a
35 Kiwiandrew: what I think you mean is that to you it makes no difference , I don't think you are qualified to talk on behalf of millions of other air travellers a
36 DeltaMD11: Before I ever begin to recline my seat I always turn around and ask the person behind me (granted that they are not sleeping) if it is okay if I put m
37 BA757: Crap. People sit on trains for longer periods of time that don't have reclining seats. People sit in many more cramped positions without reclining se
38 Kiwiandrew: the only 14 hour plus train journey I have ever been on the seats did recline - incidentally , I notice from your profile that according to the list
39 BA757: 11-12hour flight is hardly considered short haul is it? Yeah, AMS-JFK is not really long haul, but SFO is... Anyway who said I was talking about 14+
40 Goingboeing: Don't know what the trains are like in your area, but I've been on Amtrak here in the states and the "regular coach" seats had enough room to dance b
41 Kaniksu: I am pretty tall and I do not like it when people recline in front of me. It hits my knees and makes it impossible to use my laptop. Because of this I
42 Goaliemn: Wow. Considering you are probably impacted by this just as much as me (6'6") I'm shocked you'd have such an attitude over it. I've had people put the
43 FI642: On Sunday Dec. 11, I was on a transatlantic flight- the woman in front of me reclined alllllll the way back. After I sneezed in her hair for the third
44 MarshalN: On a LH flight a few months ago the woman behind my seatmate repeatedly complained about my seatmate reclining her seat... except that everyone is doi
45 Areopagus: I recline my seatback for two reasons. First, in narrowbodies, at least, I can't see much out the window with the seat upright because the windows are
46 Iairallie: Basic seat reclining etiquette 101 1.Everyone has the right to recline their seat. 2.Check behind you and recline slowly so you don't whack the person
47 Smokescreen: Right on. A near-forgotten concept. I generally fly short hops so rarely have the need to recline. When I do, the person behind me always gets a "par
48 Symphonik: Another turd who I hope gets a broken leg or other incurable malady so someone can treat him the same way. Arrogant twit. You want to buy my first-cl
49 FlyMeToTheMoon: There already is a knee-defender out there - it is called Ryanair. No reclining seats no maintenance costs.
50 Access-Air: Its interesting to see how angry people can get about people that recline their seats. I am a bigger person and I have had to deal with sitting in sea