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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4582 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/051216/91348.html

Non-stop ATL to OGG, and one stop service to Kona, via SLC.

The ATL-OGG flight is on a B763, and the ATL-Kona flight is on a B764. I wonder if the B763 will be weight restricted coming out of OGG?


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4541 times:
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Quoting Skibum9 (Thread starter):
I wonder if the B763 will be weight restricted coming out of OGG?

I wondered the same thing. One has to think the fuel load alone for a packed 763 bound for ATL would cause issues due to OGG's short runway.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

Quoting Skibum9 (Thread starter):
I wonder if the B763 will be weight restricted coming out of OGG?

Perhaps they make a stop in HNL but don't let you off the plane? I was speaking with the pilots on my ATL-MCO 767-400 flight a few weeks ago and they said that the -400 couldn't have full cargo and full fuel and dare to make it off the runway at OGG so they were forced to make the short hop over to HNL. Seeing how the -300 is shorter maybe it won't be affected but I'm betting they have to take off with a light fuel load and then stop somewhere to gas up.



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User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 2):
Perhaps they make a stop in HNL but don't let you off the plane? I was speaking with the pilots on my ATL-MCO 767-400 flight a few weeks ago and they said that the -400 couldn't have full cargo and full fuel and dare to make it off the runway at OGG so they were forced to make the short hop over to HNL. Seeing how the -300 is shorter maybe it won't be affected but I'm betting they have to take off with a light fuel load and then stop somewhere to gas up.

The ATL-OGG flight will be non-stop. One reason it is not a 764 is because it would be weight restricted most of the time and would not be able to takeoff from OGG.

However, OGG-SLC and OGG-LAX has been working fine with the 764 with full pax for the most part.


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

It would appear that they are doing it non-stop. They still show 36J class and 163Y class on both directions so the restrictions could come in the way of cargo. I think the -300ER might be able to do it non-stop without a stop unless maybe a bad weather day in ATL might force extra fuel which might involve a restriction in passengers.

Delta’s new service to Maui, Hawaii: Flight Departs Arrives
177 Atlanta at 12:15 p.m. Maui at 4:50 p.m.
178 Maui at 6:50 p.m. Atlanta at 8:45 a.m.*

*Flight arrives the following day



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Our little airport is starting to get busy! Two new flights (DL & US) in short order, and another US coming in March. Now if they'd just do something about the ticketing lobby.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3989 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4337 times:
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well we run into problems on our IAH route, so ATL will certianly run the same problems if they were to run a 764............


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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2041 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

It is really remarkable to see all the nonstop service that Maui has gotten in the past decade. I remember the "old days" when there were one or two United flights a day, plus American and Delta's tag services to HNL. Back then all the airlines were crammed into the little old terminal, which is now the baggage claim area, and you got on and off the plane using airstairs.

When they built the current terminal, I remember thinking it was way too big - and for quite a few years it was. There would be 20 jetways sitting there unused.

Now look how far OGG has come - nonstops to DFW, IAH, ORD, ATL, PHX and SLC, plus all the major West Coast cities. I never thought I'd see the day! Now if only they could get a nonstop to Japan, although Linda Lingle's crazy friends will do their best to keep that from happening...  Smile


User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

I also have to wonder if this is the wisest route selection? By this I mean, from what I understand Hawaiian flights are usually packed with either low yeild passengers or those cashing in frequent flier miles. Given DL's financial condition, wouldn't it make more sense to use this B763ER, which is configured for international service, on a new or expanded international route that may have higher yeilds? DL keeps stating that it is going to focus on international expansion because it is more profitable. We have seen a good amount of growth here, but while they have reduced some domestic flying, they also seem to continue to focus on the high-volume, low-yeild leisure markets, like Flordia and Hawaii. Not saying it is wrong, but just wonder if they are passing up opportunities for a higher yeilding route?


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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4008 times:
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Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 8):

If you were to do a search, you will find many posts regarding the current fallacy that Hawaii routes are unprofitable. This is currently untrue, and has been untrue for the past 4-5 years. Hawaii, although a supposedly low-yield route, is proving to be profitable, and more profitable than many domestic routes that supposedly higher yield for most, if not all, carriers. The demand for Hawaii flights is extremely high with all carriers experiencing very high load factors. That's why airlines have continued to add flights to Hawaii.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 9):
If you were to do a search, you will find many posts regarding the current fallacy that Hawaii routes are unprofitable. This is currently untrue, and has been untrue for the past 4-5 years. Hawaii, although a supposedly low-yield route, is proving to be profitable, and more profitable than many domestic routes that supposedly higher yield for most, if not all, carriers. The demand for Hawaii flights is extremely high with all carriers experiencing very high load factors. That's why airlines have continued to add flights to Hawaii.

Hawaii has incredibly high fares. This fall I was looking into booking MSP-HNL for the winter and advanced purchase economy fares were never under $1,300 dollars on NW.

Jeremy


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3989 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3977 times:
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not under 1300 for two tickets i imagine...........


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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Depends of the time of the year...low season fares on DL from SLC to HNL start in the mid 500s, during busy season they start in the low 900s. So I guess its low yields during low season, but im sure during the busy season Hawaii along with its cargo is a cash cow!!!

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 10):
Hawaii has incredibly high fares.

That's the truth. NW started SFO-HNL, which is a pretty limited route for them (SFO is far from being a hub) and the lowest January fare even loaded in the system (which may not even be available for sale) is $383.

SFO-IAD, by comparison, has a lowest fare in the system (again, not always available) of $203, as a point of comparison.

Everyone is trying to cash in on Hawaii, but avoid flooding the market at the same time.

Steve


User currently offlineSspontak From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 476 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

If JFK-HNL is not in the cards for DL, how about a JFK-NRT? Didn't DL operate JFK-NRT at one time? If there are no 777 available, could a 767-300ER make this a feasible route?


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 6):
well we run into problems on our IAH route, so ATL will certianly run the same problems if they were to run a 764............

I think that's part of the reason why it was rerouted out of LAX instead...and the loads apparantly from what I heard at work.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3989 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3535 times:
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loads were decent............but we dont ship any cargo out of OGG..........therefore we can maximize the widebody elsewhere, where we can get a full J premium and maximize our cargo revenue on top of it.


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3512 times:

Yes very true...I spoke to a 767 captain a while back and he said there were major issues with weight on the route. I'm sure the plane can be better utilized elsewhere.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3989 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3475 times:
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we wanted to do the route non-stop out of IAH..........but thought we would have to many restrictions pax wise.


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