Thestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2836 times:
The other day I visited JFK airport and was impressed by the fact that there were two El Al 747-400's there as well as what I think was an Israir 767 -???.
I have never seen such a large congregation of Hasidic Jews in my life, all ready to fly off to Israel.
Checking up on the El Al Website I found that at this time of the year they have a total of 3 747-400 departures from JKF and one 777-200 from Newark as well. Combine this with two daily Continental flights from Newark on 772's and the Israir flight, thats a total of at least 7 daily nonstop flights from the New York area to Tel Aviv.
I know that New York and Israel are the two largest Jewish centers in the world, but nonentheless does this still warrant all this capacity?
In fact, plenty of people fly NYC-TLV on other airlines with connections b/c the LY and CO flights are too expensive (e.g. AF, AZ, IB, etc.)
And LegendDC9 is right, they are almost always full, all the time, at any cost.
Tons of families split between NYC and TLV (and oftentimes these are families with means). Plus lots of tourism and business travel as well. Very solid route -- and DL has expanded now with service from ATL to serve the rest of the country connecting to TLV.
JAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3741 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2556 times:
NYC has a huge Jewish population and I have heard the flights usually oversell. Air Canada and El Al's YYZ-TLV-YYZ service is also very popular. El Al also has rights to carry pax on YYZ-LAX and LAX-YYZ flights. LY YYZ-LAX-YYZ can be found for $325 plus tax CAD. DL also codeshares with LY on the LAX flights. I'd say about 40% of the pax on the YYZ-LAX flights are coming from Israel and the rest are coming from YYZ. Same goes for coming back. They plane always leaves YYZ and LAX full.
Support the beer and soda can industry, recycle old airplanes!
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 79
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2539 times:
Quoting Thestooges (Thread starter): I know that New York and Israel are the two largest Jewish centers in the world, but nonentheless does this still warrant all this capacity?
You said NYC, so I assume you mean the area...EWR has the two daily CO flights (#84 & #90) to TLV. From what I have read on this site over the years, both flights go out close to full daily, year around.
Timeforflight From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
Israir is actually quite cheap... Just bought a one-way TLV-JFK for under $400, inc. tax.
Regardless, Birthright trips are about to pick up, so maybe there will be some increased capacity on the route still as thousands of young Jewish adults come over for 10 days... Those planes will certainly be full starting in about 2 weeks and continuing for the better part of a month...
3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2379 times:
So I was also at JFK a couple of days ago, taxiing out in the dark, and saw two LY tails just past an Emirates, and listening to Channel 9 with everyone getting the "Delta 148 follow the American 767 to 4 left" I wondered -- do Saudia, Emirates, Etihad, etc., refuse instructions to follow an LY? Do ATC actually go out of their way to not sequence them adjacent to each other?
Squirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2367 times:
While doing a little reasearch I have the following question. . Do they serve both JFK and EWR? What are they're frequencies like?
El Al Israel Airlines Flight LY2 on a Boeing 747 (jet) in coach class
Departs New York, NY (JFK) Sun, Jan 15 7:30p 10 hrs 15 min
Arrives Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV) Mon, Jan 16 12:45p
El Al Israel Airlines Flight LY27 on a Boeing 777 (jet) in coach class
Departs Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV) Sun, Jan 22 12:05a 12 hrs 20 min
Arrives Newark, NJ (EWR) 5:25a
Amirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2316 times:
Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 10): While doing a little reasearch I have the following question. . Do they serve both JFK and EWR? What are they're frequencies like?
EL AL serves the NYC area via both JFK and EWR.
EWR gets a daily flight LY027 which continues to Chicago on Monday and Wednesdays and to Miami on Tuesdays and Thursdays. These are on 777 and 744.
JFK gets between 2 - 4 daily flights. Next week for Hanukah/X-mas you can easily find 4 daily flights to JFK.
4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2301 times:
1. This is when the Israeli ministry of transportation is limiting the traffic. Just think what would happen when they will remove this limit.
2. Don't forget the European carriers whose a large percent of passengers are on transfer to the states (especially LH, BA and Swiss - all running tlv twice daily on widebodies)