Irishpower From United States, joined Aug 2003, 251 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10154 times:
First off this is NOT to turn into an A vs. B thread.
I was just wondering what some off the biggest mistakes have been by airlines and the different types of aircraft they have ordered? What should they have done?
For example did PA order too many 747's back in the day (they had a hard time staying profitable during the oil crisis of the 1970's).
Should they have ordered the 767 or 757 back when they had a chance?
Well, few other suggestions: SU 772s, KL 763s (should've gone for A330 straight away).. LOT should have got themselves a few 772s.. would be making good profit out of ORD and JFK
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Vegasplanes From United States, joined Jun 2005, 667 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10075 times:
AA retiring it's 717's and F100's, no 100 seaters for AA or Eagle.
CO, EA, AA, DL, National ordering 747's in the early 70's.
Lindy Field From United States, joined Mar 2001, 2880 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10072 times:
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Delta certainly blew it when they replaced Pan Am's A310s with factory-new A310s, only to replace them a few years later with 767-300ERs.
National, Delta, and Continental didn't do too well with their original orders for 747-100s, nor did PSA with its L-1011s.
Dean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 188 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9980 times:
MA (Malev) ordered 4 CRJ200s couple of years ago. Embraer gave a better deal, but they ordered the CRJs, nobody konows why. Nowadays those jets are few years old and they want to sell them due to high costs of operation.
Also I think the 762 was a bad choice, 763 would be more efficent!
Doona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3013 posts, RR: 18 Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9933 times:
Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 4): Add SAS to that. Although I'm not sure when they acually ordered them - a long time ago anyway.
SAS has a few more mistakes, IMO. Trying to replace their MD-80s with lots of 737NGs. Still, lots of MDs are still in service, along with A321s. And AFAIK, there are A319s on the way as well... Looks to me as if they should have gone with the A320 family from the beginning...
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Breiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9642 times:
Braathens S.A.F.E. and the B767-200 in the '90s,
Air Inter and the A330, in 89 (order),
both too big for the respective networks, and expected passenger loads did not materialize.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57 Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9621 times:
As pointed out above, in the late 1960s, most US carriers went on a widebody buying spree ordering lots of 747s, L1011s and DC10s that they simply did not need and could not fill......DL, EA, NA, PS, CO, AA and all of the rest come to mind.
DL adding to the A310 fleet that it inherited from Pan Am comes to mind......shortly aftet the new A313s were delivered, DL made the decision to make the 763ER is primarly longhaul airliner.
And, we cant forget the SQ fiasco with the A343......due to a very good offer from Boeing, SQ decided to phase the type out in favor of the 777 before SQ accepted delivery of the last few A343s it had on order.
AerLingus ordered 763ERs and quickly eliminated the type from their fleet.
And, SAS has never been very happy with the 736......although it was the launch customer for the type.
So the MD-11 didn't live up to the range projections MDD have sold them on, you can't blame DL and AA on that. DL used the MD-11 for well over a dozen years, so I wouldn't call that a mistake. As for the MD-90, DL had originally planned on the MD-90 to be their 727 replacement. But it was the teething problems of the a/c (along with some $$$ issues @ DL at the time) that doomed it to becoming a small niche fleet @ DL; so you could really blame MDD on that one as well.
The first time WN used them, it was as part of the judgement against Braniff in an anti-trust suit. The second time was on short-term lease (interestingly enough, ex-BN birds) while awaiting the delivery of 737s.
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Some major airlines investing in next generation twin aisles.
Those aircraft may be delayed a year or so easily due to all innovative technology combined.
At the time those airlines have introduced significant numbers of these aircraft (& can start to make money) the current rapid economic growth period might well be over.
Airlines expanding at this moment in key markets with modern similar capacity aircraft might already have consolidated a big slice of the cake by that time.
LTBEWR From United States, joined Jan 2004, 8521 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9516 times:
I would also add:
Where airlines ordered models that didn't sell well overall like Convair's in the 1960's, Air Inter's Caravelle (? only purchaser of a specific model)
Where ordered highly specific subtypes of aircraft. For example, where had In 'high and hot' ops needs, so ordered limited and unique submodels with a larger wing, larger engines, thus making them difficult for resale
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