RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 13219 times:
Its called a highspeed taxiway, you come off the runway part of the way down and slow down on the taxiway rather than clogging up the runway for the rather mundane task of slowing down.
Myt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 74 Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13129 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2): Its called a highspeed taxiway, you come off the runway
The taxiway is to the left. The aircraft appears to be at the begining of Kai Tak's runway, note the arrows underneath her, so I think this Andy Mok bloke just got his English a bit back to front. It's taking off?
ScottieDog From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 179 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13103 times:
Look very closely at the markings immediately under the tail. It appears very much as if it is an arrowhead. Now if I recall at Kai Tak there was a displaced threshold, and arrows on the centre-line, are used to separate the start of the paved strip from the threshold. Therefore it looks to me as if this is in fact a photo of an aircraft starting its take-off roll and nothing to do with taxiing.
DLCnxgptjax From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13102 times:
I agree with Myt322. That's a runway the aircraft is on.
IAH744 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13098 times:
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 4): The taxiway is to the left. The aircraft appears to be at the begining of Kai Tak's runway, note the arrows underneath her, so I think this Andy Mok bloke just got his English a bit back to front. It's taking off?
yea after looking over it a few times i think thats probaly right...
MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 13009 times:
Was the photographer on a boat? I don't think you can stand there as it is the sea, or at least the edge of the runway.
The Kai Tak runway doesn't allow you to fast taxi, afaik, because you need to make a 180 degrees turn back towards the terminal, and if you are still running fast you'll run into the water.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12887 times:
Did anyone think that thats a WHITE runway light in the foreground there and NOT a BLUE taxiway light?????
Oh and I dont see any SPOILERS displayed if it is on rollout onto the highspeed taxiway turn off....
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 71 Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12444 times:
If it is a displaced threshold are they supposed to remain at low power until reaching the runway? Maybe he is anticipating just a bit.
Quoting Myt332 (Reply 4): I think this Andy Mok bloke just got his English a bit back to front.
Hey I guess he can be forgiven. If flight attendants can tell me, a hundred feet from the jetway that "we are still on an ACTIVE RUNWAY" I guess this is not too serious.
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FLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 11889 times:
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 16): If it is a displaced threshold are they supposed to remain at low power until reaching the runway? Maybe he is anticipating just a bit.
Aircraft can start the takeoff roll as far back in the displaced threshold as they want, but they can't land on any portion of the displaced threshold. Exposure time is probably less than 1/50 of a second. Also, I don't think the plane was going over 30K, especially that early in the runway.
I'm surprised you asked Slamclick, was it different back then when you flew?
CFIjames From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9973 times:
How, exactly, can any of you tell how fast the aircraft is going? With the darkened skies, the aircraft could be traveling at a normal taxi speed, and the camera was moved, giving the blurred effect of the background much more than it would had it been a bright sunny day. Regardless of whether it was a taxiway, runway, freeway, or sidewalk.
There are 3 simple rules for making a perfect landing every time. Its a shame that no one knows what they are.
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3249 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9889 times:
Quoting CFIjames (Reply 19): With the darkened skies, the aircraft could be traveling at a normal taxi speed, and the camera was moved, giving the blurred effect of the background much more than it would had it been a bright sunny day.
I think you probably just understand more about how camera exposure works than most people.
In a relatively dark exposure like this, the photographer would probably be shooting with both a fairly long shutter speed and as wide an aperture as his lens will allow. The former will introduce motion blur and the latter will result in background blur (even if the camera's stationary). There's a bit of both in this photo.
You can't tell how fast this a/c is going from this pic at all. It may be at the beginning of a takeoff run, or taxiing, but it could still be going five knots for all anyone knows.
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MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days ago) and read 9071 times:
Well, from what I remember of Kai Tak, the guy should've started his takeoff roll because IIRC most planes initiate takeoff roll in the displaced threshold, sor of where the JAL plane is in the airport overview. If you look at the FedEx plane it is right about where the yellow crosses are. As far as I can remember, he would have just begun rolling.
So I guess the photographer was not on a boat but was on one of the buildings right next to the runway. I forgot there were a few buildings that way.
Islandboy From Bahamas, joined Dec 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7494 times:
Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 23): Why is there the need for a displaced threshold?
I believe it has something to do with the ground not being hard enough to sustain aircraft landing on it with high weights. Maybe the land was once swampy etc..
Aircraft can take off from it though using the full displaced thresh-hold.
Someone please feel free to correct me.
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25 Tribird1011: For various reasons really, but the main one would be for obstacles on the glide path to the runway... In this case you want to land farther down the
27 AirPacific747: I happened to notice this thing just yesterday while spotting at CPH. There are some long thresholds on especially 04L/22R but also at the end of the
28 Sunandan: I believe Madrid also has lengthy displaced thresholds, not sure which runways though. Cheers! SS
29 Malmoaviation: That looks like Air Europa taxistyle. Well, taxing in 140 knots on a taxiway is not so great..
30 Dw9115: Just look how light the nose looks it is about to come off the ground.
31 PanAm747: "Flight 209 now arriving at gate 13...gate 14...gate 15..." "27!!....28!!!....29!!!"
32 Gr8Circle: Anyone who knows Kai-Tak can tell that an aircraft at that position cannot be making a high-speed exit after landing....this is close to the northern
33 Morvious: No, there is some land next to the runway.. (You can see that on the photo above!) A few small buildings and a Ferrari garage is all I can think off
34 Threepoint: Please tell me how you can determine the weight exterted on the nosewheel from this (or any) photo. It would appear that all tires are on the ground,
35 HAWK21M: Very well illustrated with Pics. regds MEL
36 Dw9115: Look at the angle of the plane from rear to front you can see a 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 degree angle upward on the nose. When the plane is stopped or in taxi
37 474218: Lets see; the slats are out, can't make out where the flaps are, but they are not in landing configuration, the stabilizer is trimmed to about 10 degr
38 CFIjames: Islandboy, dont answer questions you dont know the answers to. There are plenty of people who DO know the answer, without asking people to correct you
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