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User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

European airlines, used to fly to Japan via Anchorage and then (early 90's) via Moscow.
There's any European airline still flying to Japan via Moscow or Anchorage?

USADreamliner

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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3010 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

With all the modern aircraft, I would say that the Moscow stop is not necessary anymore. It saves money on the extra landing. There is probably just no use for the stop.

Аэрофлот777


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Actually its not part just the availability of modern equipment. Until about late 80's/1990 or so, the USSR required carriers that made use of its trans-Siberia routes to stop in Moscow on atleast one such service per week, or to provide independent service to the USSR as part of its granting of the overflight permission.
This is for instance why carriers such as Virgin used to then have its NRT-LGW service stop in SVO once per week.

Back then there also was a need by some carriers to fly with a Russian navigator/translator on board, (As if the western INS equipment would not be capable in navigating across the Soviet Union.) In addition the ability by ATC to speak English once beyond Moscow until reaching the Pacific coast was often minimal.
Lastly you would never want to stray off an airway, and one had near no clue were many potential enroute alternate airfields were located as the aeronautical charts made no mention of many.



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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 1):
With all the modern aircraft, I would say that the Moscow stop is not necessary anymore. It saves money on the extra landing.

True. When Finnair started non stop flights to Tokyo (first one in Europe if I rememeber right) in early 1980s, it has to use the north pole route (DC-10 with extra fuel tanks), the old Soviet Union didn't allow to use it's airspace.

Of course now it's ok, and Finnair has the fastest (as being the closest..) connection from Europe to Japan (to Tokyo and Osaka, plus Nagoya next year).


User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

I believe Iberia was the last carrier to fly from Europe to Japan via Moscow. They dropped the service to NRT sometime in the mid 90s.

User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2043 times:
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Iberia used to do the next route: MAD-BCN-SVO-NRT in a 747 Combi.


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
There's any European airline still flying to Japan via Moscow or Anchorage?

Yes : Aeroflot !
They still propose a flight CDG-SVO-NRT, with the same flight number (SU575) though I think there is a plane change at SVO....
They propose very interesting fares on this route, and work also with some T.O in France.


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
They still propose a flight CDG-SVO-NRT, with the same flight number (SU575) though I think there is a plane change at SVO....

They also do LHR-SVO-NRT with the same flight number, with a plane change at SVO though..

regards,
LO231



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User currently offlineMOW From Israel, joined Dec 2005, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

JL was flying weekly NRT-SVO-FCO with 744 equipment until MAR 2005. This one was really the last remnant. CX is planning to resurrect the MOW stopover - starting summer schedule 2006 they are planning to fly triple-weekly HKG-SVO-MAN route.

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