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Engine Selection Of Current And Future 787 Orders  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

Who do you think will be the engine selection of potential and future 787 orders?

Current orders:
Blue Panorama - GEnx
Primaris - Trent 1000
Vietnam - Trent 1000
Chinese carriers - ???
Ethiopian - GEnx
Icelandair - GEnx
Garuda Indonesia - GEnx
ILFC - Trent 1000
Qantas - ???

Potentail future orders:
Delta - GEnx
American - Trent 1000
United - Trent 1000
KLM - GEnx


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User currently offlineThepilot730 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6717 times:

Forgot to add CO to your list. They have ordered the GEnx engines.

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6697 times:

Quoting Thepilot730 (Reply 1):
Forgot to add CO to your list. They have ordered the GEnx engines.

Yes, I know CO selected GEnx. I only listed the ones who have NOT made their engine selection.



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Primaris - Trent 1000
Vietnam - Trent 1000

Are your sure about these airlines and their engine choices? According to
wikipedia, engines choices for these two at least have NOT been made.
My own personal opinion is both of these particular carriers will choose the GenX, although it's just specualtion on my part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_787

Also, by their count, GenX is the market leader with 94 firm orders versus 85 for the Trent 1000.

Regards,
Sal

EDITED for typos.

[Edited 2005-12-19 05:29:13]


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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4774 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6580 times:
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why would UA order RR when they haven't had any planes with RR engines for decades if ever!

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6575 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 4):
why would UA order RR when they haven't had any planes with RR engines for decades if ever!

Cuz UA still hasn't gotten over the Sioux City DC10 crash... They've hated GE since.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6535 times:
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Primaris - Trent 1000

I'll eat my hat if a Primaris 787 ever flies. yes 



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User currently offlineCaptain.MD-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

I would love to see UA go for the RR option, but to (possibly) hold a grudge against GE for something that was a one-off and happened in the 80's seems a little harsh.Both GE and RR make exceptional engines, isn't the CF6 the most common/popular/reliable turbo-fan out there?

Why would Delta choose GEnx? Wouldn't RR be in with a shout due to the trents on the 777's and their RB211 experiences on the L1011?



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8572 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6522 times:
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GA has Trent powered A330s already - so they might go with the Trent option rather than the GE


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24938 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6509 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 6):
I'll eat my hat if a Primaris 787 ever flies. yes


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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Current orders:
Blue Panorama - GEnx
Primaris - Trent 1000
Vietnam - Trent 1000
Chinese carriers - ???
Ethiopian - GEnx
Icelandair - GEnx
Garuda Indonesia - GEnx
ILFC - Trent 1000
Qantas - ???

AC went for GEnx as well for its 14 firm options, Which makes sense since they ordered B773ER, 772LRs which only come with GE90s. The only RR powered aircraft in ACs fleet are the A333, A345s both of which are leaving ACs fleet in the next 5 years or so.

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12569 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6474 times:
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Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
757 flying, 787 soon?

Flying one (I believe) leased 757 is a very long stretch from owning 20 787s (not to mention 20 737s). Considering their committment to the 787 was amongst the first announced, firming up of their order is taking a rather long time. Indeed as far as I'm aware, Primaris has still not even been allocated a Boeing customer number.

I think my hat is safe! wink 



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Don't UA have 737NGs? How could they avoid GE? Maybe they'll delay until the next ice age when PW have a 787 offering.

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6415 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 12):
Don't UA have 737NGs?

No.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 4):
why would UA order RR when they haven't had any planes with RR engines for decades if ever!

Dunno. Why did NW? Why did LOT?


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Current orders:
Blue Panorama - GEnx
Primaris - Trent 1000
Vietnam - Trent 1000
Chinese carriers - ???
Ethiopian - GEnx
Icelandair - GEnx
Garuda Indonesia - GEnx
ILFC - Trent 1000
Qantas - ???

Potentail future orders:
Delta - GEnx
American - Trent 1000
United - Trent 1000
KLM - GEnx

Vietnam have PW and GE 777s and 767s. Seems unlikely to me that they'd buy RR.

The backbone of Icelandair's fleet is the 757 and their planes all have RR. I'd give RR the edge here.

ILFC have tended to buy all engine variants (on the 777, for example) but they tend to buy GE first and most.

Garuda could go either way but they chose RR for their A330s so who knows?

Quoting Captain.MD-11 (Reply 7):
Why would Delta choose GEnx? Wouldn't RR be in with a shout due to the trents on the 777's?

DL certainly chose RR for their 777s but there are other factors. DL is close to AF and they're pathological about not buying RR. On their own side of the Atlantic DL have links to CO (who've chosen GE) and NW (who've chosen RR). KE (a SkyTeam partner) has also chosen GE and DL's later orders for the 767 were all for GE. Who knows, but I'd put my money on GE winning that one.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8572 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6388 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 15):
DL certainly chose RR for their 777s but there are other factors. ..... On their own side of the Atlantic DL have links to CO (who've chosen GE) and NW (who've chosen RR).

I guess it depends who ends up absorbing DL - if NW then RR if CO then GE  stirthepot 



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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6378 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 15):
DL certainly chose RR for their 777s but there are other factors. DL is close to AF and they're pathological about not buying RR. On their own side of the Atlantic DL have links to CO (who've chosen GE) and NW (who've chosen RR). KE (a SkyTeam partner) has also chosen GE and DL's later orders for the 767 were all for GE. Who knows, but I'd put my money on GE winning that one.

Who know what will happen if the fantasized merger of NW and DL ever comes to pass. I doubt what European Skyteam members desire will play much of a role anyway. After all they aren't going to sync fleets, so why should they sync engine selections.



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 13):
No.

Then what do they have?


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1423 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

I believe AI too went in for GE engines for both the 777 and 787 orders which are awaiting approval from the govt.

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6287 times:

Quoting Captain.MD-11 (Reply 7):
Why would Delta choose GEnx? Wouldn't RR be in with a shout due to the trents on the 777's and their RB211 experiences on the L1011?

Umm, because GE is a major financer of Delta Air Lines DIP...

Id look for future leases to come from GECAS and feature GE engines...

just a hunch.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 12):
Don't UA have 737NGs?



Quoting PM (Reply 13):
No.



Quoting Glom (Reply 18):
Then what do they have?

Sorry if I was a bit abrupt. They have 737-500s and -300s but nothing bigger or newer than that. Their newest 737-500 is 13 years old. Their newest 737-300 is 15 years old. In other words, UA haven't taken delivery of a 737 since December 1992. They started taking delivery of A320s in 1993 and of A319s in 1997.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2818 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6242 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 21):
They started taking delivery of A320s in 1993 and of A319s in 1997.

They went Airbus like BA? Do they use RR then? That gives credence to the notion of the Trent 1000 for them.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6926 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6212 times:

Quoting Glom (Reply 22):
They went Airbus like BA? Do they use RR then? That gives credence to the notion of the Trent 1000 for them.

They "went" long before BA did! And if by "RR" you mean IAE (in which RR has a 1/3 stake), then yes. But remember that IAE is also 1/3 owned by PW and that PW are (were?) UA's inevitable source of engines (wherever there was a choice) and that's no doubt why IAE got the A319/320 business. Now, with PW no longer playing, which way will UA jump when they order 787s or A350s (as they must inevitably do one day)?

Quoting PM (Reply 21):
UA haven't taken delivery of a 737 since December 1992.

Following up my own slightly startling discovery, it turns out that UA last ordered 737s on 26th April 1989. They ordered -200s three times (a total of 75) in 1965, 1966 and 1967. They ordered -300s (101) once - in 1985 and -500s (57) once - in 1989. I suppose I assumed they had ordered 737s many times and oft over the years. Apparently not.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

I'd expect Delta to choose GE because of the financing that GE is providing them. In addition, their 767-400ERs are GE powered.


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25 Dkny : When did ET choose the GEnex for the 787?
26 ETStar : That's what I also thought... I do not recall seeing a release with GEnex for ET. ET has always been a PW customer, until its purchase of the 73Ws wh
27 Dalb777 : Why did DL choose RR for their 777s?
28 Qutaiba : GE engines are superior to all others in the market, I know this form my experience, and where operations in the local extremly harsh environment has
29 PM : Mmm, not sure that everyone would always agree with that. It does seem a bit sweeping!
30 Cricket : AI had to choose GE-90's for the 777-200LR and 777-300ER and it made sense to stick with GE for the 787 also.
31 Qutaiba : well thats based on experience as I said, and where other engines last 3500-4000 hrs on wing, the CF6 & GE90 stay on average 7000-8000 hrs. So it pay
32 PM : ET haven't announced a selection yet. The thread-starter was speculating. Not, it seems, in every case. BA had awful troubles with their GE90s at fir
33 Cricket : GE Engines are also extremely expensive. Plus, if GE engines were really that awesome for climatic conditions in places like West and South Asia, the
34 PM : And when KQ chose RR for their 772ERs they specifically said it was because of their better hot & high performance.
35 1337Delta764 : That was before Delta got the financing from GE. Also, the newer 767-300ERs have GE engines. While the only options for the 767-400ER were GE and PW,
36 Post contains links ETStar : Here's confirmation that ET has chosen GEnx http://www.flyethiopian.com/et/news/report.aspx?nid=114
37 USAF336TFS : Well, while the Trent 1000 will be featured on the 787's first flight and took an early lead in engine sales, it looks like the GenX is now the market
38 FlyABR : uh...don't know about LOT, but NW chose the GENx...
39 1337Delta764 : No, NW chose the Trent. They were actually widely expected to order the GEnx, but suprised everyone by chosing the Trent.
40 FlyABR : my bad...saw press release on rolls web page...
41 PanAm_DC10 : TAM have ordered GE to power their A350's By Andrea Rothman Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- General Electric Co., the world's biggest maker of jet engines, was
42 Jetset7E7 : You forgot to mention First Chioce, they have selected the GEnx for their 787's Mark[Edited 2006-01-03 12:06:55]
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