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Are The BAE-146's Still At United?  
User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

I was thinking this today when i was looking at a show about top ski resorts. Are they flying to Vail and such cities in Colorado? Does UAL still want these airplanes. Don't pull smart remarks about United. I was just asking. I loved working these birds when I worked for ACA in RDU.

Thx in advanced.

Desmond,


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

They are still with United till April I think. They need something till ski season in Aspen ends.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4499 times:

Yeah, they are still with UA until April...after that they are most likely leaving, unless they work out some deal with AWAC at the last minute. Kinda sad, I always liked those little jets...

User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

i wonder what theyll use if the dont keep the 146?. my brother is an f/o on the e-170 for republic. he said he thinks it can get in/out of there


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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

I'll claim ignorance here...due to the fact that I live in Denver...and I don't have the time to research this (at this moment)...

but what will replace the -146s on the same routes where this size a/c is needed?



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

Are all UA BAe-146s the ones that fly with ZW? Or do they have other ones too. If they don't, why are they leaving the fleet? Is ZW retiring them, or is ZW breaking its ties with UA?

[EDIT: language]

[Edited 2005-12-19 19:55:11]


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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 3):
i wonder what theyll use if the dont keep the 146?. my brother is an f/o on the e-170 for republic. he said he thinks it can get in/out of there

Just depends on the single engine climb performance, E175 may be able to do it.

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Thread starter):
I was just asking. I loved working these birds when I worked for ACA in RDU.

You guys had a great manager back then!


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 5):
Are all UA BAe-146s the ones that fly with ZW? Or do they have other ones too. If they don't, why are they leaving the fleet? Is ZW retiring them, or is ZW breaking its ties with UA?

I don't know where you have been lately, but UA is the one breaking ties with ZW, that was news months ago. The only 146's in the Express fleet are the ones with ZW. The flying will not be renewed in April because of economics. United wanted them to fly a little longer, but ZW recognized that doing so was not economical, especially with all the planes due for heavy check in the summer time. Thus the fleet will be retired in April, and I can't believe anyone on here thinks otherwise.


User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1466 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

A couple of months ago i thought i heard UAL say that they were going to introduce a new plane for a 146 replacement in places like ASE etc...I heard rumors on Skywest getting the CL705 with only a 76 pax configuration so it would not be restricted out of ASE. Anyone hear anything else? I am pretty sure that UAL will NOT renew the contract with ZW as they want ZW completely gone!!!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 4):
but what will replace the -146s on the same routes where this size a/c is needed?

It actually has nothing to do with size, but take off performance combined with range. In order to keep flying the very profitable Aspen-LAX route, UA needs something with enough take off performance.



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User currently offlineOrdramper98 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

The topic of commercial jets that can fly in and out of Aspen has been discussed on A.NET many times before. The BAe-146 is the only approved commercial jet that can fly there. Due to engine out performance the twins are not yet certified (if ever). United made a huge mistake on dropping Air Wisconsin. Not only for the Aspen service! The people who frequent Aspen don't like props. UA has no answer for that.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Quoting Ordramper98 (Reply 10):
The people who frequent Aspen don't like props. UA has no answer for that.

Well, theoretically, they could contract in some Q400 service. That aircraft has proved its earning potential into other high yielding ski destinations like SUN and Bozeman



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 7):
I don't know where you have been lately, but UA is the one breaking ties with ZW

I'm sorry, I guess that news skipped me somehow. Hehe, I was in Wisconsin by the way..  boxedin 



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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting Ordramper98 (Reply 10):
The BAe-146 is the only approved commercial jet that can fly there.

So has the DH8.


User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 13):
Quoting Ordramper98 (Reply 10):
The BAe-146 is the only approved commercial jet that can fly there.

So has the DH8.

Last I checked, the DH8 (DeHavilland of Canada DHC-8) was not a jet.

Several turboprops have operated successfully at ASE, CV-580s, DHC-6, -7, -8, BE 1900, ATR 42 and 72 come to mind. But the only airline jet has been the BAe 146 (a.k.a. Avro 85, etc).

I'd be surprised if the EMB-175 had sufficient engine-out performance to carry profitable loads out of ASE, but I could be wrong, as I haven't seen performance data for it.

ASE customers can be quite snobbish and really demand jets, even when it's not necessarily to their benefit.



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