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BMI Regional To Start ABZ-AMS (March 06)  
User currently offlineKLbambie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 98 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

I have been searching for this elsewhere but i haven't managed to find anything.

I was informed today that BMI Regional are to start flights from Aberdeen to Amsterdam as of March '06. 3 times daily on their Embraer's.

Should be in the local press any day.

Anyone else heard about this?

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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 3523 times:

Well if it is true I think it is stupid. AMS is not an *A Hub, and KLM have just increased AMS-ABZ flights to add an extra daily flight. On top of that, KLM have the benefit of plenty of connecting traffic which BD don't at AMS.

If true, I cannot see it lasting long.



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User currently offlineFlycro From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 3504 times:

Remember this is comming from a clueless airline. EDI-MUC was yet another almighty cock up!!

User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):
Well if it is true I think it is stupid



Quoting Flycro (Reply 2):
Remember this is comming from a clueless airline

Would you ever expect bmi to come up with a sensible route decision?  Wink


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Actually folks, as someone who worked with BD for many years I have a tendancy to disagree. The reason I do so, is because BD has many corporate agreements with the likes of BP and Shell who also through shareholdings etc are at the forefront of blue chip businesses in the Netherlands. If an agreement has been reached for the transport of "lesser" execs (I'm sure the top brass have their own transport available at their beck and call) to the platforms & refineries off the east of Scotland in the North Sea it could be very lucrative indeed. From ABZ it's a quick chopper ride out.

What inspired the introduction, by KLM cityhopper, of a service EIN-LHR? It was a corporate agreement between the airline and Philips, and any additional revenue generated above and beyond the capacity that was required by Philips, was saleable as a published fare. I suppose you could almost consider it a subsidised charter service.

If such an agreement has taken place between a major oil company and BD, then it could be very profitable indeed for the airline.

But then again, I could be wrong, but for BD's sake I hope I'm not. I was proud to be there, but a little sad now when I see how things have ended up for BD. Good luck.

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User currently offlineDamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 3):
Would you ever expect bmi to come up with a sensible route decision?

I don't think there was anything inherently 'non-sensible' about bmi's proposed EDI-MUC route in itself ... though it was a bit daft to put the flights on sale before suitable slots were confirmed!


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting Flycro (Reply 2):
EDI-MUC was yet another almighty cock up!!

Like LTN-BRU, where BD can offer no connections anywhere!

Quoting KLbambie (Thread starter):
I was informed today that BMI Regional are to start flights from Aberdeen to Amsterdam as of March '06. 3 times daily on their Embraer's.

I would be amazed to see how BD could compete, even if they did have 50 corporate 'bums on seats' on each flight each day. Surely the cost of the RJ is far higher than the 737's used by KL on the same route?

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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
Actually folks, as someone who worked with BD for many years I have a tendancy to disagree. The reason I do so, is because BD has many corporate agreements with the likes of BP and Shell who also through shareholdings etc are at the forefront of blue chip businesses in the Netherlands.

This was my first thought too. Remember that for exactly the same reason BMI Regional is operating a 2x daily (weekdays) flight ABZ-GRQ too, exactly with a similar construction as BDKLEZ described: Gasunie and other oil- ans gas companies lease a certain number of seats on every flight and what is left is for public sale.


User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
BMI Regional is operating a 2x daily (weekdays) flight ABZ-GRQ too

When did it go double daily? AFAIK the flight is operated 5 times a week (monday thru friday), once daily



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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3167 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3272 times:

AJO: you are right, it is indeed a one-daily, 5 weekly.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7114 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting Damian (Reply 5):
don't think there was anything inherently 'non-sensible' about bmi's proposed EDI-MUC route in itself

Agree fully - EDI MUC was exactly what BD should have launced.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 6):
Like LTN-BRU, where BD can offer no connections anywhere!

Just like LGW CDG, which was also planned.

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
The reason I do so, is because BD has many corporate agreements with the likes of BP and Shell who also through shareholdings etc are at the forefront of blue chip businesses in the Netherlands

And you don't think that they perchance have a contract with KL for the route, hence the capacity we already see on AMS ABZ?



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User currently offlineKLbambie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 98 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

I have picked up a little more info on this guy's.

Apparently Shell are backing BD with this one. Hopefully i'll know more this afternoon.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7114 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

ABZ GRQ now on an ER3, x5 daily. No flights between 22Dec and 04Jan.


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24924 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

5 Daily ABZ-GRQ?  Wow!


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7114 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 13):
5 Daily ABZ-GRQ

Did I say ER3, I meant 332!  Smile



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24924 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 14):
Did I say ER3, I meant 332! Smile

I thought the A330s were being redeployed on their new 4 x weekly MME-FRA-Ulan Bator route?  Wink Whilst a leased B737-200 take over the Inida routes operating LHR-FRA-IST-ISB-BOM  Wink



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 10):
And you don't think that they perchance have a contract with KL for the route,

Having also worked for KL as well as BD, I know that they do not, at least not in the context that I refer to above. The capacity on the route is because ABZ was closed down as a KLM cityhopper "base" a number of years ago, when it was previously operating the F100 between AMS & ABZ. As it is now operated by KLM mainline, who do not have crew based in ABZ, and operate the route out of AMS with B737 equipment, it's natural that such capacity should be available on the route as KLM do not operate equipment any smaller than 737's.

[Edited 2005-12-20 13:37:17]


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24924 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Now bookable on http://www.flybmi.com
3 x Daily
BD323,BD325,BD327



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 2978 times:

And here's the official press release....

http://www.flybmi.com/bmi/en-gb/abou...essreleases.aspx?year=2005&rid=829



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

So ABZ-AMS, EDI-MUC, LTN-BRU what are BD's other non-hub routes?? And major European carriers in particular.


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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 19):
ABZ-AMS

It's a goer....for now....

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 19):
EDI-MUC

Dumped before launch.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 19):
LTN-BRU

Dumped before launch.

See the pattern....???



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 20):

See the pattern....???

Yes but wasnt EDI-MUC just announced or was that another EDI ERJ route?



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2912 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 21):
Yes but wasnt EDI-MUC just announced

Indeed, but it's definitely been dropped. There are positive and negative viewpoints posted in various threads about this. My personal opinion is that it could've worked, but alas it's a non-starter.



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User currently offlineTangoecho From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 127 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2907 times:

I think BMI will do ok on this route, if they manage to keep the price realistic and not just go for the business punters.

We get a lot of stag do's and hen parties going to AMS for long weekends, so a bit of competition for KL will be good.

There is room for BMI on this route if they don't get greedy.

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User currently offlineJamesontheroad From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Quote:
So ABZ-AMS, EDI-MUC, LTN-BRU what are BD's other non-hub routes??

Well it depends if you call ABZ a hub. My particular favourite is ABZ - NWI. Along with T3 and BE on the very same route, that makes eight flights every week day in each direction... a pretty useful selection if you work in the north sea oil or gas industries  Smile

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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7114 posts, RR: 57
Reply 25, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

Quoting Tangoecho (Reply 23):
if they manage to keep the price realistic and not just go for the business punters

You cant keep the price realistic on an ER3... Pricing has to be high to cover the stupid CASM an ER3 has. The ER3 isnt suitable for non hub routes, and you cant compete with a 737 with one.



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