GARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2291 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8174 times:
Quoting DIA (Thread starter): I noticed this Boeing post...which made me wonder why TG is placing orders for both, the 772 and the A345/6. Why not go with one only? Benefits
A mix of politics and price. Of course, ETOPS is also a consideration, but I bet Politics outweighs it.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2656 posts, RR: 59 Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7875 times:
Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 5): Rumours are that Thai is looking to defer their 777 deliveries.
Just the opposite, actually. When Thai originally announced their order last year, they stated that the 777's would begin arriving mid-2007. As the press release above, and the production schedule states, the first frames will actually be arriving by August of next year.
Of course, it is Thai, and we may see another change.
Lemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7411 times:
Quoting Lehpron (Reply 9): Is it possible these two planes do not entirely compete, despite what either company would claim about the other plane?
Given how few carriers out there operate both types, I don't think it's going out on a limb to say: "No, it is not really plausible." (Anything is *possible* of course, plausible is another story.)
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Aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1451 posts, RR: 16 Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7398 times:
With these latest deliveries, TG will operate a fleet consisting:
- Boeing 747-400
- Boeing 747-300
- Boeing 777-200
- Boeing 777-200ER
- Boeing 777-300
- Boeing MD-11
- Boeing 737-400
- Airbus A300-600
- Airbus A330-300
- Airbus A340-500
- Airbus A340-600
- ATR72
- A380-800 (to be delivered in 2007).
Perhaps when one factors in the engine choices, it is yet another story altogether. Traditionally, TG seems to have several aircraft types too many in its inventory . . . on one hand, one could call this a fleet with types that are specifically tailored to individual routes . . . on the other hand, it can be branded as being too diverse and costly to maintain. Then again, there are probably reasons for this diversity - as alluded to by ROP in reply no. 8.
Flykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 441 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7303 times:
Thai has historically had ETOPS problems and as far as I'm aware, voluntarily withdrew their ETOPS certificates for their 777's some time back. Perhaps this is also a consideration for purchase of a 4 engine aircraft.
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Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3076 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7191 times:
Slightly off topic, but I've flown only on their 345s and 346s (not the 777s). It was a magnificient experience, with the 36" of pitch (on the 345, and 34" on the 346), huge screens with full AVOD, and the lighting. Managed to sleep for 11 of the 18 hour flight (LAX-BKK), would definitely repeat that if I need to.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11350 posts, RR: 50 Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 7010 times:
Quoting GARPD (Reply 15): something about trade deficits and load of fish.
Are you suggesting Thai only bought Airbus planes because of political pressure? In that case, I think you may have the wrong end of the stick - the Thai Government threatened not to sign the deal unless the EU reduced import tariffs on Thai prawns. So yes, politics, but pressure from Thailand not the EU!
Quote: A major aircraft deal between Thailand and European consortium Airbus is likely to go ahead despite threats of a delay by the Thai government blamed on political grandstanding ahead of national elections, analysts said.
Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra said Tuesday that
national flag carrier Thai Airways International would delay signing a purchase agreement for eight Airbus aircraft, including six A380 superjumbos, while demanding that the European Union ease trade rules covering Thailand's shrimp, poultry and farm products.
The Thai cabinet had approved the 96.3 billion baht (2.4 billion dollars) deal to buy 14 aircraft for the national carrier, to be split between rival manufacturers Boeing and the European consortium Airbus, but it rejected a cash-only deal.
Analysts said, however, that the Airbus deal was on the verge of being completed and the delay threat was for the benefit of a domestic audience ahead of a Thaksin re-election bid expected in February next year".
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6714 posts, RR: 66 Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 6966 times:
Thai were an early customer for both the A330-300 and for the 777-200 so they already operate family members from each line. They ordered 777-200ERs and A345/346s at much the same time. They are different aircraft for different jobs. The 777-200ER doesn't have the range of the A345 or the capacity of the A346. Had they started from scratch, they might have tried to manage with just one of the A330/340 or 777 families but once they already had both it wasn't such an odd decision to add further members of each family.
DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 30 Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 10 hours ago) and read 3049 times:
Okay...I guess it just seems that for the size airline that TG is...they have too many types of a/c. It seems to me they could streamline and become even more profitable. There it is...on the table.
And, they'll probably add one more: the 787 or the A350.
Just seems a bit of an odd business model.
Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
25 CPDC10-30: And, they'll probably add one more: the 787 or the A350. Why not both? The 787-3 would be a good replacement for their A300s...and the -9 for the A33
26 DIA: Exactly. BTW: Like your name...it reminds me of seeing them at Kai Tak, amidst many 747 and L1011 tails...
27 ZK-NBT: The title is misleading, the date on that article is January 2005. Careful, the 346 seats 267 in a 3 class configuration for TG, I think I read that
28 Anxebla: I think this one could be a good reply: Furthermore Rolls-Royce will be the engine for both, 777-200ER and 340NG So what? A SQ A345 has 181 seats and
29 6thfreedom: The MEL product will stay 3 class. The B772ER's will be 3 class with 292 seats. I think you may also find the TG993/994 service split in late 2006, w
30 RJ111: Assuming the 743's and Md-11's won't be around too much longer you're looking at.... 737 CFM56 744 CF6-80 A330/A340 PW4000/Trent 500 777 Trent 800 A30
32 Anxebla: Yes, you're right. That's my point. An A-340NG "new generation" is another way to designate the -500 and -600 series
33 ZK-NBT: My argument was the fact that TG's 772ER's and 346's will both be 3 class and the 772ER will seat more, kind of strange if you ask me. Ah ok thats in
35 RJ111: Just to correct myself there i meant the Trents where introduced with the 772A, which arrived after the A333's.
36 6thfreedom: It is B744 for now, but I think that when TG de-link MEL and SYD, they will move to B772ER for all MEL and SYD ops. Makes sense from a crewing perspe
37 ZK-NBT: 3 class. 6th Freedom corrected me on reply 27, the 772ER's will be 3 class seating 292. Understood, we'll wait and see what happens. AKL may get the
38 Anxebla: OK, anyhow the A346/B772 size is not the same Different planes for different missions/roles.
39 ZK-NBT: I agree that they are for different missions and roles but then again this is TG we are talking about.
40 PM: After all this, why haven't the six 777-200ERs appeared yet in Boeing's planned production schedule? Two are due for delivery in 2006 and the other fo
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