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Thai Airways Ordering New A340s & 777s...why Both?  
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9705 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050126i.html

I noticed this Boeing post...which made me wonder why TG is placing orders for both, the 772 and the A345/6. Why not go with one only? Benefits?

I thought they were trying to streamline their a/c family.


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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 9681 times:

Well one of the reasons is ETOPS.

Thats why they went with the A340's.

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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9573 times:

Quoting DIA (Thread starter):
why TG is placing orders for both, the 772 and the A345/6. Why not go with one only? Benefits?

From Boeing.com/news: The airplanes will feature a tri-class configuration and be powered by Rolls-Royce Trent-892B engines.

Please, note RR will be the engine for both, 777-200ER and 340NG


User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2586 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

Quoting DIA (Thread starter):
I noticed this Boeing post...which made me wonder why TG is placing orders for both, the 772 and the A345/6. Why not go with one only? Benefits

A mix of politics and price. Of course, ETOPS is also a consideration, but I bet Politics outweighs it.



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User currently offlinePersotvik From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

Finally we will see TG on the OSL-BKK route with the B777 Wink


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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6535 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 9294 times:

Rumours are that Thai is looking to defer their 777 deliveries. Anyone heard anything about this?

User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2703 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 9242 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 5):
Rumours are that Thai is looking to defer their 777 deliveries.

Just the opposite, actually. When Thai originally announced their order last year, they stated that the 777's would begin arriving mid-2007. As the press release above, and the production schedule states, the first frames will actually be arriving by August of next year.

Of course, it is Thai, and we may see another change.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

Quoting Persotvik (Reply 4):
Finally we will see TG on the OSL-BKK route with the B777

MEL will also get the B777 from September 2006.
5pw operating as TG981/982.

BKK 00.15
MEL 12.05
MEL 16.30
BKK 22.40

The B777 will replace the A346 which will operate the obove sector Jan to sept 2006.


User currently offlineROP From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

More aircraft types, more maintenaince work&cost and yes more cakes to be shared...

User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 8872 times:

Is it possible these two planes do not entirely compete, despite what either company would claim about the other plane?


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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8778 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 9):
Is it possible these two planes do not entirely compete, despite what either company would claim about the other plane?

Given how few carriers out there operate both types, I don't think it's going out on a limb to say: "No, it is not really plausible." (Anything is *possible* of course, plausible is another story.)



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User currently offlineAviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1483 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

With these latest deliveries, TG will operate a fleet consisting:

- Boeing 747-400
- Boeing 747-300
- Boeing 777-200
- Boeing 777-200ER
- Boeing 777-300
- Boeing MD-11
- Boeing 737-400
- Airbus A300-600
- Airbus A330-300
- Airbus A340-500
- Airbus A340-600
- ATR72
- A380-800 (to be delivered in 2007).

Perhaps when one factors in the engine choices, it is yet another story altogether. Traditionally, TG seems to have several aircraft types too many in its inventory . . . on one hand, one could call this a fleet with types that are specifically tailored to individual routes . . . on the other hand, it can be branded as being too diverse and costly to maintain. Then again, there are probably reasons for this diversity - as alluded to by ROP in reply no. 8.

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User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 8670 times:

Thai has historically had ETOPS problems and as far as I'm aware, voluntarily withdrew their ETOPS certificates for their 777's some time back. Perhaps this is also a consideration for purchase of a 4 engine aircraft.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12050 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8627 times:
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Quoting GARPD (Reply 3):
A mix of politics and price. Of course, ETOPS is also a consideration, but I bet Politics outweighs it.

Enquiring minds would like to know what these political considerations might be. Thanks.  wink 



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3172 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8558 times:

Slightly off topic, but I've flown only on their 345s and 346s (not the 777s). It was a magnificient experience, with the 36" of pitch (on the 345, and 34" on the 346), huge screens with full AVOD, and the lighting. Managed to sleep for 11 of the 18 hour flight (LAX-BKK), would definitely repeat that if I need to.


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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2586 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 13):

Enquiring minds would like to know what these political considerations might be. Thanks

something about trade deficits and load of fish.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12050 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8377 times:
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Quoting GARPD (Reply 15):
something about trade deficits and load of fish.

Are you suggesting Thai only bought Airbus planes because of political pressure? In that case, I think you may have the wrong end of the stick - the Thai Government threatened not to sign the deal unless the EU reduced import tariffs on Thai prawns. So yes, politics, but pressure from Thailand not the EU!

Quote:
A major aircraft deal between Thailand and European consortium Airbus is likely to go ahead despite threats of a delay by the Thai government blamed on political grandstanding ahead of national elections, analysts said.

Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra said Tuesday that
national flag carrier Thai Airways International would delay signing a purchase agreement for eight Airbus aircraft, including six A380 superjumbos, while demanding that the European Union ease trade rules covering Thailand's shrimp, poultry and farm products.

The Thai cabinet had approved the 96.3 billion baht (2.4 billion dollars) deal to buy 14 aircraft for the national carrier, to be split between rival manufacturers Boeing and the European consortium Airbus, but it rejected a cash-only deal.

Analysts said, however, that the Airbus deal was on the verge of being completed and the delay threat was for the benefit of a domestic audience ahead of a Thaksin re-election bid expected in February next year".



Hey AA, the 1960s called. They want their planes back!
User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6841 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

Thai were an early customer for both the A330-300 and for the 777-200 so they already operate family members from each line. They ordered 777-200ERs and A345/346s at much the same time. They are different aircraft for different jobs. The 777-200ER doesn't have the range of the A345 or the capacity of the A346. Had they started from scratch, they might have tried to manage with just one of the A330/340 or 777 families but once they already had both it wasn't such an odd decision to add further members of each family.

User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 8331 times:

Maybe TG gets inspiration for its long-haul fleet planning from EK  Silly


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User currently offlineGARPD From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2586 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
Are you suggesting Thai only bought Airbus planes because of political pressure?

No, what I was doing is answering a question as to why Thai have BOTH the 777 and A340.



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User currently offlineDennys From France, joined May 2001, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6815 times:

where did you see TG is ordering some more A340s ?

regards

dennys


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Quoting Dennys (Reply 20):
where did you see TG is ordering some more A340s ?

I guess I'm assuming TG has some A345s or A346s still to be delivered...don't they?



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User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4856 times:

Thai needs to simplify its fleet type to cut cost. It currently operates a mix fleet with mixed engine types:

MD-11
744
743
734
772
773
A300-600
A330
A345
A346



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

What TG routes use four-holers due to ETOPS constraints?

Apparently enough to justify an A340 family?!



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Okay...I guess it just seems that for the size airline that TG is...they have too many types of a/c. It seems to me they could streamline and become even more profitable. There it is...on the table.

And, they'll probably add one more: the 787 or the A350.

Just seems a bit of an odd business model.



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25 Post contains images CPDC10-30 : And, they'll probably add one more: the 787 or the A350. Why not both? The 787-3 would be a good replacement for their A300s...and the -9 for the A33
26 DIA : Exactly. BTW: Like your name...it reminds me of seeing them at Kai Tak, amidst many 747 and L1011 tails...
27 ZK-NBT : The title is misleading, the date on that article is January 2005. Careful, the 346 seats 267 in a 3 class configuration for TG, I think I read that
28 Anxebla : I think this one could be a good reply: Furthermore Rolls-Royce will be the engine for both, 777-200ER and 340NG So what? A SQ A345 has 181 seats and
29 6thfreedom : The MEL product will stay 3 class. The B772ER's will be 3 class with 292 seats. I think you may also find the TG993/994 service split in late 2006, w
30 RJ111 : Assuming the 743's and Md-11's won't be around too much longer you're looking at.... 737 CFM56 744 CF6-80 A330/A340 PW4000/Trent 500 777 Trent 800 A30
31 AirNZ : Hmmm! what is a 340NG??
32 Anxebla : Yes, you're right. That's my point. An A-340NG "new generation" is another way to designate the -500 and -600 series
33 ZK-NBT : My argument was the fact that TG's 772ER's and 346's will both be 3 class and the 772ER will seat more, kind of strange if you ask me. Ah ok thats in
34 Post contains images Anxebla : 3 ..or 2 class?
35 RJ111 : Just to correct myself there i meant the Trents where introduced with the 772A, which arrived after the A333's.
36 6thfreedom : It is B744 for now, but I think that when TG de-link MEL and SYD, they will move to B772ER for all MEL and SYD ops. Makes sense from a crewing perspe
37 ZK-NBT : 3 class. 6th Freedom corrected me on reply 27, the 772ER's will be 3 class seating 292. Understood, we'll wait and see what happens. AKL may get the
38 Post contains images Anxebla : OK, anyhow the A346/B772 size is not the same Different planes for different missions/roles.
39 ZK-NBT : I agree that they are for different missions and roles but then again this is TG we are talking about.
40 PM : After all this, why haven't the six 777-200ERs appeared yet in Boeing's planned production schedule? Two are due for delivery in 2006 and the other fo
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