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Nauru Island Wants Its Only Plane Back  
User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5395 times:

The island state of Nauru, with a very bad economy these days, wants to have the 737 back that is flown by Nauru Air. The plane was chained last Sunday by the American ExIm Bank because of unpaid bills. The island used to be very rich because of phophate export, but is now on the verge of bankruptcy.

The Nauruan transport minister Kieran Keke said that lives are now endangered as the 737 is used to fly patients to Australia in case of medical emergencies.

http://www.pacificislands.cc/pina/pinadefault2.php?urlpinaid=19035

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...e/0,5744,17593161%255E2702,00.html

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/N...20051220091958/Article/indexb_html

Dutch link only: http://www.nu.nl/news/644622/20/Eila...aan_wil_enige_vliegtuig_terug.html


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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Well, pay the bills and you get the aircraft back...

If you value the lifes of your subjects more than your Swiss bank account, the answer is simple.
If not, why should anyone else pay the bill for you?



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Amazing intrigue in the story...


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User currently offlineCschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

There was an interesting and somewhat humorous article about Nauru Air a while back in Airways or Airliners magazine...don't recall which, written by a former pilot.

User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

That aircraft (Boeing 737-400 reg: VH-RON) has quite a history. During the times I lived in PNI I used to take it to GUM and MNL quite frequently. However, I never knew if I was going until the last minute. The plane was frequently impounded in Australia or under heavy MX due to stupid things like ground handlers in Nauru driving a forkift into it. If the flight was cancelled, you were screwed - no refund, nothing.

On the flip side, I once purchased a ticket on them for $1050 (PNI-MNL-GUM) but my amex bill only showed $10.50! So, somebody in ON's accounting f*(#ed up and I got a super cheap ticket to Manila. Man, somebody should write a book about that airline! It would be a good read - gauranteed.

This recent episode does not surprise me one bit.

LPLAspotter



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

Ah, the same Air Nauru that wanted to fly to London.....  sarcastic 


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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2915 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Here is the culprit:


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I scratch my head, therefore I am.
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4951 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
If you value the lifes of your subjects more than your Swiss bank account, the answer is simple.
If not, why should anyone else pay the bill for you?

Just FYI, Nauru is one of the poorest islands in the Pacific Ocean. Nothing to do with Swiss bank accounts or anything like that. A few years back, Australia increased aid to the country in return for Nauru holding boat people in detention on the island. They are that desperate for money.

Trent.



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User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 7):
Just FYI, Nauru is one of the poorest islands in the Pacific Ocean

Just FYI, Nauru used to be the one of the richest countries in the world per capita but due to poor planning and excessive spending they are now one of the poorest. They did this to themselves - believe me, I've lived in the region for awhile and nobody feels sorry for these people.

LPLAspotter



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User currently offlineIslandHopperCO From Micronesia, joined Dec 2003, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4836 times:

The country insisted on managing its wealth by itself and made silly investments, like an airline with three 737-400s to serve an island that nobody wants to fly to. Here's a pic of another 734 they had:


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I lived in PNI in 2000 and flew them a few times as well (when did you live there LPLAspotter?), they had good service and much cheaper than CO. I was lucky though...they ceased ops only three days after I returned home to PNI.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4725 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):

If you value the lives of your subjects more than your Swiss bank account, the answer is simple.
If not, why should anyone else pay the bill for you?

could you please give us the proof of these bank accounts? This isn't the first unfunded accusation you make, and I'm sure it won't be the last (flame intended)



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 4):
Man, somebody should write a book about that airline! It would be a good read - gauranteed.

There was an article (I think by one of the pilots) about flying the old 732 years ago. It was in either Airways or Airliners Magazine. It is probably my favorite story/article to date in those mags. Quite an adventure...hurricane and all that good stuff...

Sorry, I do not have a date...but you may be able to look it up at one or the other's websites.



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User currently offlineVanguard From Solomon Islands, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4768 times:
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Oh no! I'm due to fly on this plane (I think - must go and check) from Brisbane to Honiara (Solomon Islands) in March! It's a code-share with Sol Air (IE).....

[Edited 2005-12-20 21:22:09]

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 4):
On the flip side, I once purchased a ticket on them for $1050 (PNI-MNL-GUM) but my amex bill only showed $10.50!

Could explain why they are a little short of money to pay their bills!



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User currently offlineScutfarcus From United States of America, joined May 2000, 409 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4631 times:

This is slightly tangential, but since people are asking about how Nauru got into the state it's in, read this excellent little article (with many links):

http://worldchanging.com/archives/000231.html

It's basically a classic fiscal/environmental disaster story, with many lessons to be learned!


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

So is there no Air Nauru anymore? If people are so worried of having no air transport to the island then just get someone like QF, NZ or FJ to fly there once a week like NZ did to Niue when Polynesian Airlines ceased operations.

User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1465 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

Quoting Scutfarcus (Reply 14):
It's basically a classic fiscal/environmental disaster story, with many lessons to be learned!

It's ONLY a classic case of corruption and unprincipled people allowing the corruption to continue unabated. The environmental pillaging and fiscal disaster are a result of the real problem, not the cause.

People of good conscience may agree to disagree about the economic system that best suits mankind. I personally will side with capitalism, thank you. However, one thing we can all agree on: you can't play at free markets. You must truly have them, or not, or you will eventually crumble. There are a looooot of states out there like that, right now. They go through bust-boom cycles just like a real free market, but the amplitude and length of the cycles is heavily skewed by the corruption. Once a collapse strips the emperor of his clothes, it is very, very difficult for that same emperor to turn his little scheme into something, ahem, less corrupt. See Nauru for an example.

One great coworker, and now a good friend, is Indian. He has described how India's free markets aren't really that because of such intrusive governmental involvement, as well as rampant corruption. He also goes on to say that in some cases, the people are refusing to play along with the corruption. A small case-in-point: you can be pulled over by a policeman for any reason he sees fit. He's really just a local Jesse Jackson -- a professional shakedown artist. He suggests that if you make him a small payment, he won't issue a citation. My friend says that he personally, as well as other friends of his, eventually decided the only way to stop this nonsense was to revert to the rule of law. They would *insist* that the cop issue the citation. He said that the cop would yell, berate you, etc. but in most cases, simply let you go.

They'll need more people just like that. For Nauru, the end game has been played. I was fascinated to read that Australia is thinking about relocating them -- to another frickin' island! No, no, no, no. You don't put children caught with their hand in the cookie jar back in the kitchen unsupervised! If these people are in such dire straits as to have their entire nation relocated at the expense of somebody else's taxpayers, bring them to the mainland and demand they integrate into that society. Australia may have high taxes and screwball regulations, but it's still a free market with duly elected officials. Whatever you do, DO NOT let these people have another crack at this, unless they want to foot the relocation bill themselves.



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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 999 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Quoting Cschleic (Reply 3):
There was an interesting and somewhat humorous article about Nauru Air a while back in Airways or Airliners magazine...don't recall which, written by a former pilot

It was in AirlinerWorld. I'm not sure how long ago.


It's sad when any aircraft is impounded. Best of luck to Nauru in getting back any aircraft used to transport patients.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21590 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 17):
Best of luck to Nauru in getting back any aircraft used to transport patients.

Huh, sounds like their red herring is attracting some bait.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4299 times:
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Well they don't need a B734 for their medical flight or any flights, all they need is a small F70-F100 etc, but the King of the Island wants the B734 for status.

User currently onlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 879 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 15):
So is there no Air Nauru anymore? If people are so worried of having no air transport to the island then just get someone like QF, NZ or FJ to fly there once a week like NZ did to Niue when Polynesian Airlines ceased operations.

They did this because there was money to be made. The airlines are not a charity.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8632 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4243 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Well they don't need a B734 for their medical flight or any flights, all they need is a small F70-F100 etc, but the King of the Island wants the B734 for status.

Nauru doesn't have a king ( although I think some of the presidents that they have had over the years would have quite liked the title for themselves )



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User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 11):
There was an article (I think by one of the pilots) about flying the old 732 years ago. It was in either Airways or Airliners Magazine. It is probably my favorite story/article to date in those mags. Quite an adventure...hurricane and all that good stuff...

Not only was it a very informative article, it also explained the political/economical situation in Nauru. I have not been to the region but to me it is always sad to see poor political/economical judgements and government arrogance hitting back hard on the 'normal' people. And that was - at the end of the day - what the ex Air Nauru pilot described.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4163 times:
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Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Well they don't need a B734 for their medical flight or any flights, all they need is a small F70-F100 etc, but the King of the Island wants the B734 for status.

Nauru doesn't have a king ( although I think some of the presidents that they have had over the years would have quite liked the title for themselves )

Well who ever it is in charge of the island


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7111 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 19):
Well they don't need a B734 for their medical flight or any flights, all they need is a small F70-F100 etc, but the King of the Island wants the B734 for status.

Nauru doesn't have a king ( although I think some of the presidents that they have had over the years would have quite liked the title for themselves )

Well who ever it is in charge of the island

Sounds like Royal Tongan Airlines and their 757 a few years back.


25 AerorobNZ : Same Shit, different Island....lol
26 LPLAspotter : How be dammned! We must have crossed paths. I was one of the only minwhais who was a regular at the Sakau markets. Miss the reefs and the sakau, noth
27 Post contains images JRadier : but now the essential question is.... did you get the T-shirt?
28 AerorobNZ : Ebay didn't have any..
29 HZ747300 : The first time that has to have been uttered. I agree, close the airline and let it codeshare with someone. Was the phosphate from bird poo that had
30 Planemanofnz : But with who?
31 777ER : But who with as its totally pointless and a big waste of money and time sending a good aircraft to Nauru that could be used on a different route. No
32 Planemanofnz : What is going to happen to the flights to the Solomons? Don't they share an aircraft with Solomon Airlines? And what about the codeshare with Norfolk
33 Post contains links Vfw614 : For the saga, see also: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200512/s1533290.htm Yes, but apparently operated by Qantas with Air Nauru aircraft (howev
34 Post contains links and images DesertFlyer : With their current financial situation, maybe they should look to some less expensive alternatives. View Large View MediumPhoto © Mathieu Pouliot
35 Vanguard : Solomon Airlines codeshare with Air Nauru on a couple of BNE - HIR flights a week. (Unfortunately including one I'm booked on). However, Solair also
36 DC3CV3407AC727 : I rember seeing their 732 on its weekly Tarawa(Kiribati) run, back in '91. Pretty cool stuff operating that 737 off of a 5000 ft coral strip.
37 LPLAspotter : Hey Vanguard: PNI used to have an Australian owned charter airline called ECO air (I think that is the name) flying from Brisbane to Honiara to PNI -
38 Vanguard : You're right. I remember now. However, didn't see anything after the initial announcements. A quick Google doesn't find anything. Never been on a Russ
39 ClassicLover : You would expect this to happen, wouldn't you? I mean, how much would it take for a Government (hello, Australia!) to buy the damned 737-400 and give
40 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Tampa Tampa where are you?! Perhaps the Australian Government could help Nauru by sending a couple hundred more refugees its way ... I'm sure the 98 T
41 DJ738 : You can't just "get" an airline to fly wherever you want. There are commerical issues involved, and no airline is going to fly where there isn't mone
42 Rdwootty : Of course if they were a US airline they could just go for Chapter 11 and flyon!!
43 Capital146 : Yeah, was about a year ago, and very interesting it was too! Not only did it give a comprehensive history of the airline, it also gave details of the
44 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : May I recommend the wikipedia article on Nauru: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru To think that Nauru once upon a time had a per capita income higher
45 Vanguard : Anyone got any more news on the fate of Air Nauru's air service???
46 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : Seems they still don't have it back: MARSHALL ISLANDS: Team Nauru Stranded Here For The Holidays Tuesday: January 3, 2006 The Nauru delegation that re
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