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KLM Cityhopper - Fleet Shortage?  
User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

Are KLC short of Aircraft?

They operate the Fokker 50/70/100.

They are currently leasing 23 F50's...changes everyday...from Denim Air.

They dropped the RTM-LCY-RTM....which was doing well.

Are they: short of F50's, short of Aircraft or just doing alot of maintainance?


So what's the problem?





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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting BBJII (Thread starter):
They are currently leasing 23 F50's

My God, that's a lot!



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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Doh  rotfl  my error....2 or 3 F50's


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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting BBJII (Reply 2):
my error....2 or 3 F50's

Aah right! Well, in the event that there ever was a need to sub any particular service, then VLM & Denim air (now one and the same) were the preferred ACMI supplier for obvious reasons. Specifics I'm not aware of in this instance, but from my experience in the past, it could indeed be the case. There have for a number of years now been "issues" with KLC's maintenance suppliers, about who services what and when, manpower availability with the relative mantenance company and the general "state" of the a/c and the amount of routine works being required to be carried out just to keep the a/c dispatchable. IMHO, these all stem from an initial underinvestment in KLM uk Engineering, in terms of spares and manpower availability over the years which has led to the current situation. MP have unfortunately been left to pick up the pieces.



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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

the main reason is is that currently, the F-50's will go to heavy maintenance (last week i saw 4 F-50's at schiphol east) and that KL will retire some...

2 of those retired are going to the exel group (wich is already bankrupt) wich they promised... (dont know why they promised them)


so its just an interm solution , while KL has a shortage..


but KLC will indeed expand with 3 F-100's (ex pelita) and probably all AF F-70's


User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3968 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting BBJII (Thread starter):
2 or 3 F50's

Currently 2, but as of the first week of january it goes back to 1.
It'll be operating the EIN-LHR route.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quoting BBJII (Thread starter):
They dropped the RTM-LCY-RTM....which was doing well.

Where did you get the information from that it was doing well? They stated themselves that they dropped the route as it did not work well. No surprise, actually: they tried to compete with a 2-daily flight against VLM who operated 8 daiily flights and already well established on the RTM-LCY route. And on top of that, they were more expensive than VLM.


User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 6):
Where did you get the information from that it was doing well?

Travelled on it 8 times in 3 weeks.....it was full each flight...the cabin crew told me if had been very busy.

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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3164 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Hmm, then I suppose I'd be a yield problem. I only have a Dutch source on Luchtvaartnieuws.nl, where a management representative is quoted: "Als je ziet dat het niet winstgevend is, dan stop je ermee". In English: "When you see it is not profitable, you quit."

User currently offlineKL5147 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 4):
the main reason is is that currently, the F-50's will go to heavy maintenance (last week i saw 4 F-50's at schiphol east) and that KL will retire some...

maybe a little off-topic, but will these F-50 also being painted in the new colors?



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User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5018 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting KL5147 (Reply 9):
will these F-50 also being painted in the new colors?

One was already painted last week.


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