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User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

Hi all (Gidday to the Aussies   )

From 7th Jan , QF will fly SYD-PER-JNB as QF063 and return JNB-PER-SYD as QF064. This is the normal SYD-JNB flight except that every Saturday from 7th Jan onwards , the flight will stop in Perth to pick up passengers. The equipment will be swapped from a 744 to a 743 which is nice for us in Johannesburg. The rest of the week it will be direct service from SYD with the 744...

Details:
PER-JNB QF 063
1325-1755
.....6.
Equip - 747-300

JNB-PER QF 064
2005-1110
.....6.
Equip - 747-300

Seems they've caught on that Perth is infested with South Africans. Good news , can't wait to see the 743 here.

-SA006   

[Edited 2005-12-20 17:36:21]


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User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Hi there...I hate to tell you this, you seem so excited, but PER has always been a stop on the route; what stunned me about your news is that it will operate NONSTOP from SYD to JNB! I had no idea that had or were going to do that!!!


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8584 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5371 times:
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Quoting CATHAY747 (Reply 1):
Hi there...I hate to tell you this, you seem so excited, but PER has always been a stop on the route; what stunned me about your news is that it will operate NONSTOP from SYD to JNB! I had no idea that had or were going to do that!!!

I can assure you that I flew QF SYD-JNB nonstop last year ( and JNB-SYD on the way home) - QF have been doing it for quite some time although there can be payload penalties at certain times of year . It has been quite a while since QF operated PER-JNB - they have been codesharing on SAs A340s on that route .



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

i recall the JNB flight use to connect to harare. Can anyone confir his?


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User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5366 times:

Quoting CATHAY747 (Reply 1):
Hi there...I hate to tell you this, you seem so excited, but PER has always been a stop on the route; what stunned me about your news is that it will operate NONSTOP from SYD to JNB! I had no idea that had or were going to do that!!!

QF have operated nonstop services from SYD-JNB-SYD for the last couple of years. They currently codeshare on the SA service JNB-PER-JNB. if true then this is good news for PER.



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User currently offlineEmiratesUK From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 3):
I recall the JNB flight use to connect to harare. Can anyone confir his?

QF did operate a SYD-PER-JNB-HRE service back in the 90's, If I'm not mistaken they also operated a SYD-PER-JNB-NBO but I might be dreaming with that one.



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User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5324 times:

Wow, then I'm a little behind the times!! I stand corrected. However, EmiratesUK, you are dreaming, QF didn't serve NBO.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8456 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5320 times:
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Hmmm some of you need to get with the latest news, QF to HRE stopped when South Africa became "acceptable" again and SYD-JNB non stop is so old it isn't even worth mentioning. I flew JNB-SYD-JNB non stop back in 2001 and it was like that for a long time before that.


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User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

Here is a rough history of the Indian Ocean routes. Dates are approximate.

QF first started in co-operation with SAA in the 1950's. QF flew Constellations, SAA DC7's on a once per fortnight Jo'burg- Mauritius-Cocos Islands-Perth-Sydney route. Lockheed Electras were later bought onto the route.

The introduction of the Boeing 707's meant that Cocos Island stop came to an end, and servoces increased to one each per week. QF served JNB with 707's for a while, but apartheid sanctions meant that SAA was allowed to become the dominant player on the route flying SYD-PER-MRU-JNB with 747's a couple of times a week. QF was made to drop JNB.

In the early 1980's QF started a SYD-PER-HRE service using 747SP's, with a direct SAA connection onto JNB. This became the only route between Australia and Southern Africa when SAA was banned from Aussie skies due to Apartheid sanctions.

In the early 1990's things started resembling what we have today. SAA and QF both flew SYD-PER-JNB, with QF triangulating the PER-HRE-JNB-PER or PER-JNB-HRE-PER section of the flight. QF used 743's on this rote. HRE was dropped in about the year 2000. At about the same time SAA consolidated to serve PER-JNB only with their 747 classics and A340's and, by using the 744, QF started serving the East Coast of Australia direct to JNB. The lenght of the over very isolated waters meant that route was initally SYD-MEL-JNB, but this was later changed to SYD-JNB direct.

The cosy code-share operations that allowed QF and SAA to split the route is coming to an end. Firstly SAA is moving to Star, but that is not the main reason. The anti-competition bodies have found that this agreement limits service and fares are high (Higher than flying to London) so the approval to codeshare has been withdrawn.

I don't know if QF's return to PER is because it wants to serve the market or because of operational requirements from flying the 743. Time will tell.

[Edited 2005-12-20 21:02:53]

User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 908 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5238 times:

The Perth flight is only meant to be seasonal at this stage. These extra services via Perth have happened at this time of the year, most years for a while now.

I for one hope the code shares end, I want to see SA back in SYD !!!

RL


User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1041 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5194 times:
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Ia Orana all !

I flew this route when I used to live in Johannesburg...
My ex and I went to Tahiti and flew QF on the famed JNB-HRE-PER-SYD and then continued on to AKL with QF on the B742 and then ANZ to PPT and return was on NZ from PPT to RAR and AKL and then connect on QF to SYD spent the night there and then flew SYD-PER-JNB on QF's B743.
Great flights but I remember that most flights between Africa and PER and return were empty, we were in Business Class and it was empty, so was economy class...



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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 10):
I remember that most flights between Africa and PER and return were empty, we were in Business Class and it was empty, so was economy class...

JNB-PER and JNB-SYD now have high loads with the amounts of passengers transfrering from other parts of west africa and even from east cost USA to perth



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8584 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5123 times:
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Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 10):
Great flights but I remember that most flights between Africa and PER and return were empty, we were in Business Class and it was empty, so was economy class...

last year when I flew JNB-SYD they seriously oversold the flight ( lucky for once I was on a paid J ticket not a nonrev economy one as usual ) 2 happy J class pax bumped up to F - two very unhappy J pax bumped down to Y and about 25 Y pax bumped altogether - some reaccommodated onto the SA operated JNB-PER and some just stuck in JNB for two days to wait for the next QF operated flight . On the way over SYD-JNB though I had a block of three of the old fashioned dreamtime business class seats to myself (shame the armrests don't flip up like they do down the back ) .

The SYD-JNB flight is often payload limited because of the headwinds - at some times of year up to 60 y class seats have to be left empty - a major pain for QF - but a bonus for pax travelling in cattle - a bit more room .



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User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

They should do an around the world, southern hemisphere flight. Perhaps SYD-JNB-GRU-EZE-SYD.

UAL


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

I just operated the 747 between sydney and perth last weekend, QF63 and QF64, we are already flying between Perth and Joberg every Saturday have been for the last few weeks I think it continutes up until around end January beginning of February, the loads where pretty much full ex Perth to Joberg, horrible aircraft VH-EBY has alot of problems with the IFE etc. Maybe user SA006 read that the service might become year round, wouldnt be surprised.

User currently offlineBBD From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

QF is increasing its flights to JNB from four to five per week. Due to aircraft availbility, however, it was announced that this additional flight would be operated by a 743 until a 744 becomes available, I believe, sometime in March; at that time, the flight will revert to a SYD-JNB non-stop. SA codeshares on QF's SYD-JNB flights, whilst QF codeshares on SA's PER-JNB flights which, I think, are on a four times per week basis.

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8584 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5084 times:
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Quoting BBD (Reply 15):
, whilst QF codeshares on SA's PER-JNB flights which, I think, are on a four times per week basis.

I think it normally five times weekly , but at the moment because it is the busy season I think it runs six times weekly



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5353 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
I think it normally five times weekly , but at the moment because it is the busy season I think it runs six times weekly

Usually runs 4x weekly in the Southern summer. They have had 5x weekly non stop SYD-JNB before though, but with SFO coming online and HKG-LHR going daily the 744's are required on these routes, I think this additional flight is yearround and becomes nno-stop SYD-JNB in late March, i'll have to confirm that though.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8584 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4790 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
I think it normally five times weekly , but at the moment because it is the busy season I think it runs six times weekly

Usually runs 4x weekly in the Southern summer. They have had 5x weekly non stop SYD-JNB before though, but with SFO coming online and HKG-LHR going daily the 744's are required on these routes, I think this additional flight is yearround and becomes nno-stop SYD-JNB in late March, i'll have to confirm that though.

sorry SA)">ZK-NBT - my post wasn't very clear - I was responding to BBD re PER-JNB , not the SYD-JNB flights . Re SYD JNB my understanding was that the Aussie competition authorities told QF that they had to maintain a minimum of 5 flights per week SYD-JNB as a pre-condition for allowing the codeshare with SA to continue .



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User currently offlinePerthGloryFan From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 751 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Currently SA are doing JNB-PER-JNB Tuesday through Sunday inclusive with an A340-200. The Tuesday flight will stop at the end of January.

QF63/64 is dropping into Perth outbound on the Saturday and the inbound return is Sunday. They have have done this seasonally in the past, but in typical unimaginative QF fashion they pick a day already served by SA - why not operate on Monday or Tuesday?

SA seems to have picked up their act in the last year couple of years - I know of people who in the past found it cheaper (and better service) to fly PER - SIN or KUL - JNB with SQ or MH respectively!

And yeah, Perth's non de plume will have to change from South Singapore to East Jo'burg soon!

PGF


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4638 times:
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Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 9):
I for one hope the code shares end, I want to see SA back in SYD !!!

As long as they serve the route with something other than the old A342's, I would like to see them back in SYD as well.

However, IMHO SA is going to have a difficult time on the JNB-SYD route if they don't offer a product that is either on par or better than the QF product, especially in premium class.


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8584 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
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Quoting SA7700 (Reply 20):
However, IMHO SA is going to have a difficult time on the JNB-SYD route if they don't offer a product that is either on par or better than the QF product, especially in premium class.

does anyone know are the J class beds on SA's 340-600s inclined like QFs skybed or horizontal like BA/NZ/VS ? ( I like to steer clear of the term 'lie-flat' it is so ambiguous)



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4590 times:
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Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 21):
does anyone know are the J class beds on SA's 340-600s inclined like QFs skybed or horizontal like BA/NZ/VS ? ( I like to steer clear of the term 'lie-flat' it is so ambiguous)

The J-class seats on SA's A343's and A346's are fully horizontal. In fact SA won an award for the best J-class flatbed seat.  Smile

http://www.flatseats.com/Reviews/flat-bed-biz.htm


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4559 times:
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Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 8):
The cosy code-share operations that allowed QF and SAA to split the route is coming to an end. Firstly SAA is moving to Star, but that is not the main reason. The anti-competition bodies have found that this agreement limits service and fares are high (Higher than flying to London) so the approval to codeshare has been withdrawn.

According to the IACS's website the codeshare has been extended to December 2006, so at least that is not in the immediate future. http://www.iasc.gov.au/iascinfo.aspx

While fares may be high on the JNB-SYD route, passengers make informed decisions to pay higher fares in order to fly non-stop. Would I like to see lower fares – of course yes?! However, QF makes an entirely valid point with regards to market segmentation. The South Africa - Australia market are filled with alternative airline options such as SQ, EK, MH and CX in order to transport passengers between the two countries. Cozy agreement - I don’t think so.


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8584 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4544 times:
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Quoting SA7700 (Reply 22):
The J-class seats on SA's A343's and A346's are fully horizontal. In fact SA won an award for the best J-class flatbed seat.

thanks for that ... really interesting reading ... I really wish airlines would tidy up their terminology on this , as an ex travel agent I know how confusing the 'lie-flat' term is to the general public . Zvezda suggested to me the use of 'inclined' and 'horizontal' as unambiguous terms and I like them ... but somehow I suspect the airlines with 'inclined' beds would prefer to continue to hide behind 'lieflat'. ooops , sorry , I have gone way off topic here .



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25 MotorHussy : Well presumably SA will start codesharing with NZ on flights into Oz now that QF and them have parted company and SA is becoming a star alliance partn
26 SA7700 : QF and SA has not parted company, at least not yet. Thus far the SA/CX codeshare to HKG is the only partnership that will end in the immediate future
27 Kiwiandrew : "on it's way"? is it not in Voyager yet ? SA has been on NZ's FF programme since the end of October - don't these things normally work on a reciproca
28 Aussie_ : I think the comptetion ruling said something to the effect that they could continue the codeshare if both airlines (together) operated a minimum of 5
29 A342 : A question for those who have flown SYD-JNB nonstop: does the route take you over the Îles Kerguelen, and if yes, was it possible to see them ?
30 Post contains images JGPH1A : Used to, yes. The Zim government used to guarantee payment for a certain number of seats on the flight, but the route never made QF any money. The HR
31 Airnewzealand : Kia Ora guys, As a QF flight attendant, the PER stop over started in the month of NOV. I have personally operated this route. The reason behind this,
32 Beno : All 5x weekly services become direct SYD-JNB-SYD from late FEB I think.
33 Post contains links SA7700 : If so, why hasn't the codeshare been dropped? Also, why on earth would QF then go ahead and plead, to retain their codeshare agreement with SA, at th
34 SAA201 : Looks like you kind of contradicted yourself with these two posts hey!! BTW, SAA will be reconfiguring and installing the new J-class seat/beds on th
35 Kiwiandrew : not on the flight I did , though the tracks do vary somewhat - for my flight after passing over South over Tasmania I didn't see any more land until
36 SA7700 : Ditto Rgds SA7700
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