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User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19749 times:

I was wondering how many Cabin crew other airlines have per type of aircraft...
Like how many does BA have on their B744 or B777, how about LH, how many on the B744, A343 or A333 ???

Thanks for your help !

Happy Flying,

AF Cabin Crew


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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19709 times:

Don't know if it's helpful and matches your question. But aren't 1 F/A required for every 50 pax? Maybe some have just the required and others have more.

Georg.


User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19691 times:

Hi Georg.

I know that it is indeed 50 per one cabin crew but I was wondering how many crews some airlines have like EVA used to have up to 21 cabin crew when us at AF we have 15 on a B744



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User currently offlineSR100 From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19688 times:

It is less a question of the type of aircraft than its cabin configuration and the ratio of one FA per how many pax and class.

A very general approach of European airlines on longhaul widebodies is
First class 1 FA per 8-10 pax plus 1 FA in the galley: around 2-3
Business class 1 FA per 25-30, again 1 FA in the galley: around 3-4
Economy class 1 FA per 40-45, plus 1 FA per galley: around 6-8
plus the boss all FA on board: 1



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User currently offlineCanada Mike From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19655 times:

The legal requirements vary from country to country, for example, in the States it's 1 F/A per 50 seats, in Canada it's 1 F/A per 40 passengers (but all floor-level exits have to be covered).

Nowadays, I get the feeling that most airlines are operating with minimum legal crew compliments to save labour costs.


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19649 times:

BA:

319: 4 to 6
320: 4 to 7
321: 5 to 8
747: 15 to 16
757: 5 to 7
767: 8 to 9
777: 11 to 13

Regards
Alan.


User currently offline611ATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19623 times:

DL:

732/733/MD-88: 3
738: 3 Domestic; 4-5 Latin America
757: 4 Domestic; 5-6 Latin America
763: 6
763ER: 6 Domestic; 8 International
764: 7
777: 8 Domestic; 9-10 International

For the most part DL is at minimum staffing (1 F/A per 50 pax) with the exception of Latin America/Europe/Asia.


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19595 times:

I think that the FA ratio is per seat, not per passenger.

User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19579 times:

AlanUK and 611ATL, thanks for your answers !
You understood what I meant, I don't want to know what the minimum required crew is I want to know how other airlines crew their plane. Like I said, we at AF have 15 cabin crew on every 744 but the ones to NYC and Montreal those have 16. Is that why you have 16 crew on some 744 too ?
On our 777 we used to have 14 and I think we are down to 13 now, a lot more than DL's 10 or 11...
If other flight attendants from VS or LH or SQ could gives us the info...



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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19552 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 8):
Is that why you have 16 crew on some 744 too ?

BA puts 16 crew instead of 15 on their 744s if the flight is deemed "difficult", for 2005 it is: LAX, DEL, BOM, DAC, MIA, BGI and MCO.

Regards


User currently offlineAF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1038 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19536 times:

Nice to know that...
Why are these flights deemed "difficult" ??? same for the difference of crew on the 777 ?
For us we are one up on the 744 because the return flight YUL-CDG and JFK-CDG are shorter and we need more crew to do the service appropriatly



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19524 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 1):
But aren't 1 F/A required for every 50 pax?

Jorge1812, you're quite correct. In fact, t's a very current and political point at easyJet of very recent times. The Airbus fleet has a 156 capacity, and the A319 has been specially adapted to incorporate double over-wing emergency exits in order to be able to operate in such a large configuration.

However, the crew compliment is 2/4 and on flights which are not full, the fourth cabin crew is costing the company a lot of unnecesary expense. There are ideas about how to combat the issue including removing seats from the a/c, standing down a crew member if the flight isn't full, using a extra standby crew member on the day to make up the requred 4x compliment if the flight is full and all sorts of other weird and wacky ideas.

It's given the company something to think about but I've posted this just to confirm your thinking.

 wave 



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 19494 times:

Air NZ Longhaul:

763: 8
744: 14 (with 1 galley person running 3 galleys!)
777: 10

These figures include our FA1, who currently works in economy class during the service but will soon become strictly an onboard manager.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7384 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19481 times:
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NW minimum crew complements
DC9-30= 2
DC9-40/50= 3
A319/320= 3
B757-200=4
B757-300=5
A330-200/300=6
DC10=6
Widebody-
B747-200(with no UD passengers)-9
(with UD passengers/high density)-10
B747-400=9



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User currently offlineBhxforever From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 564 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 19468 times:

Jetjack,

The crew numbers for NW seem awfully low!

9 on a 744 and 6 on an A333?!


User currently offlineJakob77 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19435 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 13):
A330-200/300=6

how could the A330-300 have only 6 crew?
there're already 8 doors on the plane.
does that mean it's not legally required for all doors to be manned?


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7384 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19426 times:
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Quoting Bhxforever (Reply 14):
9 on a 744 and 6 on an A333?!

The keyword is "minimum" crew. As the aircraft fill's up, more FA are added. FAA mandated staffing is 1 FA per 50 passengers. Normally, we have more when the load is above 50 percent of the seating capacity. Normal staffing on our widebodies are 2-5 above the minimum crew complement. I'm presently on a 6-day Asia pattern at the moment, and coming over to NRT from DTW the other day, we had 21 FA's working the flight, so actual crew numbers differentiate from trip segment.

Quoting Bhxforever (Reply 14):
The crew numbers for NW seem awfully low!

Heh-he, welcome to Northwest Airlines

Quoting Jakob77 (Reply 15):
does that mean it's not legally required for all doors to be manned?

No, some FA's have what's called double-door coverage. For instance, on the A330's, Door 1L/1R, and 4L/4R are the 2 FA positions with the double-door coverage. We are trained to handle an evacuation situation with that type of sitaution.



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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19367 times:

Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 10):
Why are these flights deemed "difficult" ???

These flights are GENERALLY more demanding than others. Basically, BA used to have 16 crew on every flight, but after 9/11, we went back to 15. In true airline fashion, BA conveniently forgot to give us the 16th crew member back.

The union did manage to get it back on a selection of flight (7 routes), which change from time to time, following crew feedback on how difficult the flight it.

Hope this makes sense.

Quoting Jakob77 (Reply 15):
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Jakob77

I believe this one of the big difference between FAA and European Aviations: FAA is 1 Cabin Crew per 50 passengers, in Europe it is generally 1 Cabin Crew per pair of doors (if single aisle) or 1 Cabin Crew per door for twin-aisles.


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6897 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 19342 times:

AR have 13 in the A342, TG & SQ 18 in a 744 and that's all I can remember right now.

User currently offlineLehovec From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 19301 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 11):
Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 1):
But aren't 1 F/A required for every 50 pax?

Jorge1812, you're quite correct. In fact, t's a very current and political point at easyJet of very recent times. The Airbus fleet has a 156 capacity, and the A319 has been specially adapted to incorporate double over-wing emergency exits in order to be able to operate in such a large configuration.

It is 1 cabin crew for every 50 seats installed in the a/c and not pax so even if there is 30 pax on board you still have to carry 4 cabin crew on A319. I think they should get rid off 6 seats and put 3 crew on A319. It would save company money and crew would get more money.  Smile


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19241 times:

Quoting Lehovec (Reply 19):
It is 1 cabin crew for every 50 seats installed in the a/c and not pax so even if there is 30 pax on board you still have to carry 4 cabin crew on A319. I think they should get rid off 6 seats and put 3 crew on A319. It would save company money and crew would get more money.

You are correct, as I said in my earlier post the ratio is FA per seat not FA per pax. The last LGW-ATL flight on BA I was on we had two FA's in business, even though there were only 9 business pax.


User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 19238 times:

And of course there's good ol' KLM!

744 : 13
74E : 9
777 : 10
M11 : 10
763 : 7
332 : 8

737 : Depends on the route (duration of time) but varies from 3 (-300) to 6 (-800/900).

When KLM needed to save on costs, the company decided to bring back the number of FAs on the 74E and 763.

Also... There is a thing called Minimum Required Crew which ofcourse indicates the minimum of FAs you need to fly a plane BUT this number is designated by the number of seats on that plane and NOT the number of passengers. I know it's KLM's policy but I do think this is something decided by the airplane manufacturer.


User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 690 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19219 times:

F/A staffing at American Airlines:

MD-80:3
737-800:3
757-200:4; 6 on transcons, international if full cabin
767-200:8 on transcons, 6 on other domestic and Bermuda
767-300:8 on domestic; 8 on international, 9 if full
A300:7, 8 if full on Caribbean/Latin America
777-200:8 on domestic;10 on international, 11 if full


User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19201 times:

Quoting AA B777-200 (Reply 21):
737 : Depends on the route (duration of time) but varies from 3 (-300) to 6 (-800/900).

6 on th 738/739 at times? Now that I didn't know.

Globe Trekker



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 19195 times:
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Quoting Jakob77 (Reply 15):
how could the A330-300 have only 6 crew?
there're already 8 doors on the plane.
does that mean it's not legally required for all doors to be manned?

Minimum crew requirement is well 6 F/As for both the A330-200/300 though very few airlines operate with 6 F/As. The requirement is based on 1 F/A per 50 pax. If 6 F/As for 8 doors, F/As will have assigned position(according to airline safety policy) depending on which exit will be considered as "dry-out" exit in case of EVAC.

But I recall Air Madrid doing so.

FB.



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25 Icaro : IB A319 3 for 132 A320 4 for 162 A321 4 for 192 B757 4 for 200 MD87 3 for 114? MD88 3 for 150 A343 9 for 262 A346 11 for 350 B744 11 for 430
26 AF Cabin Crew : Thanks guys ! anymore ??? LH ? SN ? NH ? JL ? VS ?
27 JAFA : Those are minimum crew requirements. 99.98% of the time a transpacific 747-400 operates with 12 flight attendants, and the transatlantic A330-300 has
28 Lehovec : EZY: A319 - 4 737 - 3
29 FlyboyOz : Yes, normally, Air New Zelanad has four cabin crews on A320 but when I flew from AKL to SYD, there were six cabin crews. I was really suprised. Why so
30 BA747 : BA on the 747-200 had a total of 15 F/A: 14 main deck 1 upper deck 3 in flight deck for a total of 18. On the 747-400 the distribution is as follows:
31 Jetjack74 : Page down abit. I already clarified that with this.
32 AerorobNZ : They were probably training a couple of F/As/Pursors
33 Lamedianaranja : And that's exactly what Denim Air uses on their F50: 1 F/A! We had a full flight the other day LUX-AMS and she was all alone. As I was the only femal
34 Flying Belgian : SN: RJ85/100 : 2 to 3. A319 : 3 to 4. A330-300 : 8 to 9. Rgds; FB.
35 777ER : New Zealand CAA has 1 FA to every 50 passengers. Australia has I think 1 FA to every 38 passengers
36 Flying Belgian : In Belgium, the rule of one F/A for 50 pax also applies.
37 AsianFA : On SQ... 747-400s 17FAs(used to be 19) 777-200 3 class 14FAs 777-300 15FAs 777-200 2 class not equipped with spacebed 11FAs(12FAs on the KL flghts) 77
38 VuelingAirbus : Not correct - most operator have in their operations manual specific rules how you are allowed to fly with reduced cabin crew (one gets sick on a lay
39 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : U.S. FAA regulations require 1 FA per 50 SEATS, and not passengers. A 150 seat aircraft may have a light load, say only 70 passengers. The airline is
40 DavidT : I can imagine flights that attract pax that need more assistance are deemed difficult. MCO, MIA - Lots of kids BGI - general lots of holidaymakers DE
41 Airnewzealand : Ia Orana AF Cabin Crew, Long time ni hear!!!! Well im flying at QF as Cabin Crew and here we have it... Boeing 747-400.. We have three different confi
42 474218 : You are correct AirplaneBoy, I tried to tell everyone that it is seats not passengers about 32 replies ago. The FAR actually reads 1 FA or each 50 pa
43 Post contains images AirplaneBoy : You got it! It may be different in other countries, but as you said, here in the U.S., we can have more FA's on board, but NEVER less- even if the fl
44 HAWK21M : Depends on the Regulatory Authority of Country where is Airline is Main Based. If not mistaken 1 F/A per 50 Pax.Can be more but not less. regds MEL
45 CorsairF/a : At Corsair B747-300/400 13FA and 15 for flights over 10hours A330-200 09FA and 10 " " " " " " " B737-400 04FA and 06 Bonne fêtes de fin d'année à t
46 VHXLR8 : Hi Airnewzealand! Yes at shorthaul, we get an extra flight attendant on certain flights (regardless of aircraft type). For example, MEL-SYD/ADL fligh
47 EMBQA : Last I knew, at least here in the US the FAA does not classify Flight Attendant's as 'crew' as they are not required for the aircrafts departure. It i
48 AF Cabin Crew : Thanks again guys ! How about the airlines who will operate the A380 how many cabin crews has your airline planned to employ ? How about QF 787 ?
49 EMBQA : Here is the US regulation that covers the amount of Flight Attendents required.... § 121.391 Flight attendants (a) Each certificate holder shall prov
50 NYCAAer : A change to my previous post on AA F/A staffing- we've just been informed by the Company that staffing on domestic for the 767-300 2-class will drop t
51 Post contains images Speedbirdcrew : You forgot the 737 which has 4 or 5 cabin crew
52 Tu154 : At UA; A319-3 A320-3-4 B737-300-3 B737-500-3 B757-4-6 B767-7-11 B777-10-13 B747-10-16
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