SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2476 posts, RR: 19 Posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1499 times:
There's finally photographic evidence of one of the newly-painted MD-83s operated by SAM on behalf of Avianca. EI-CCC used to sport decently-sized logos until it got the new livery applied:
I never really thought that Avianca and its owners were taking so seriously [and literally] the idea of eliminating the SAM brand. I must say that I was pretty surprised when I saw the picture.
Try and spot the titles that the aircraft sports now...
Someone should at least remind AV that even if they force the SAM brand to banish, SAM is still, legally, a company with its own route authorities.
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It is also noticeable, at least for us who cannot access all the details of AV's operation in BOG simply because of distance, that AV is no longer respecting that SAM routes are strictly operated by SAM aircraft.
While it was getting more common to see SAM-aircraft used in mainline routes such as the BOG-MDE and BOG-CLO shuttles...
EI-CDY operating one of the many mainline services from CLO to BOG
...it was not as normal to see it happen the other way around.
However, based on the photograph below, if the norm of "SAM-aircraft for SAM-routes" would be respected, then EI-CEP, a fully-mainline aircraft, should be doing nothing in gate B4, which is one of the gates SAM uses.
EI-CEP, mainline aircraft, parked in gates only SAM-aircraft use
Slight details, nonetheless interesting. They sure prove how the SAM brand has practically went down the drain. If it means solidifying the Avianca name and image, I don't mind, as long as they play legal always.
SAM, sister company of Avianca, operates a MDE-based fleet of 4 of the 10 Fokker-50s in the fleet, and 3 BOG-based MD-83s. One of them, the one most recently transferred from AV to SAM, was already painted in the new colorscheme as can be seen above.
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Of AV's MD-83, those already painted in the new colors are:
EI-CFZ
EI-CBY
EI-CEP
EI-CCCoperated by SAM N593AN
N836RA
I believe that two recently-added MD-83s [N160BS and N161BS] are already painted in the new colors as well, but there are no online evidences of them yet.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
That's what sucks about the few latin airlines that start doing good. All airlines possible finally disappear under the big company.
It happened to Ladeco & Fast Air absorbed into Lan chile aka LAN which now also has subsidiaries in different countries. TACA absorbed 3 other airlines, COPA probably will make the Aerorepublica name disappear and now Avianca finally in better shape will make SAM disappear (not to mention other smaller foreign airlines that are also getting the Avianca brand)
While the European and Asian scenario is as interesting as ever, the Latin American airline scene cannot get any more boring. Never thought i'd see the day.
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1346 times:
Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Thread starter): SAM, sister company of Avianca, operates a MDE-based fleet of 4 of the 10 Fokker-50s in the fleet, and 3 BOG-based MD-83s. One of them, the one most recently transferred from AV to SAM, was already painted in the new colorscheme as can be seen above.
One of the F-50s is based in BOG.
Well, i hate to see this happen. They should have left the plane with the new livery but with sam titles....
How is this different than other smaller airlines operating for larger ones... ala Continental Connection, Northwest Airlink...?
Well that is similar whan AA took over TWA many people didn't wanted the name to dissapear, for Colombians SAM was an airline with some kind of tradition or if you want to call it "pride" so that's why most of us don't want te SAM brand name to dissapear.
Hope this helps.
Gus
SKBO
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Flyinfroggie From United States, joined May 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1111 times:
Quoting Tavong (Reply 6): ...for Colombians SAM was an airline with some kind of tradition or if you want to call it "pride" so that's why most of us don't want te SAM brand name to dissapear.
I can totally appreciate that. I would still love to see the AeroCondor name to return to the skies...
Legacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 36 Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1011 times:
It's just a pitty to see another airline go........ I think I start getting old, thinking about the real "Good Old Time". In aviation we've definitely seen better days! Let's all hope the best,
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 5789 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 938 times:
Even though I never knew much about SAM it is a pitty to see an airline vanish. I've seen SAM's BAe-146 once in Curacao when I was on vacation. It was the first BAe-146 I've seen in CUR so far so it was a nice sight
I have to admit I really like the new livery of Avianca. Finally the famous red airline is back See my latest photo taken in Curacao of AV:
SOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2476 posts, RR: 19 Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 899 times:
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 2): One of the F-50s is based in BOG.
Correct. The aircraft is supposedly used in 2 of the 4 dailies to CUC, and in a couple of the 9 dailies to BGA.
However, saying that the 3 Fokkers operated by SAM are based in MDE is plain theory. In reality, AV is also mixing randomly their F-50 fleet between BOG and MDE.
Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 11): It's just a pitty to see another airline go
The last thing AV would want is to disappear SAM as the airline it is, unless somekind of special legal figure is created.
SAM owns the authorities of several of AV's highest-yielding domestic routes [e.g. CLO-TCO, MDE-SMR], and it's logical that they would do anything to avoid losing them.
If SAM is shut-down even legally, then the routes would be distributed between the airlines that would apply for them, meaning that AeroRepublica would take a bunch of them, and AV cannot afford that.
AV is just disappearing the brand and image.
Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 12): In some way the image of SAM ended with the Alianza Summa livery.. only the name remained..
That's not true. SAM, even during and after the Alianza Summa operated as a semi-independent company, obviously tied to AV, but with its own employees and routes. In fact, it still does.
As it is publicly known, Alianza Summa ended with one fatality [VX], and two airlines badly injured. But still, after Summa, and being absolutely linked to AV, SAM at least operated the routes they owned with the aircraft that wore the companies titles. At least you would buy a ticket in SAM, and would board a plane in the SAM livery, and would fly a route that was originally authorized to SAM, even if the revenue went all to AV anyways.
But with the current AV-MM situation, it is hard to see those three conditions taking place simultaneously. You buy an AV ticket, fly a MM-coded route, but on a AV plane, and knowing that MM is the owner of the route authority. Great.
RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 16 Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 875 times:
Quoting Bongo (Reply 8): I´m personally like this.... I mean: I prefer a stronger AV than two weak companies, just my though
MM and AV were not two weak companies, they were one strong group!
Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 14): However, saying that the 3 Fokkers operated by SAM are based in MDE is plain theory. In reality, AV is also mixing randomly their F-50 fleet between BOG and MDE
Indeed, and remeber of of the Fokkers is based in MDE but spends most of the day in CLO flying CLO-TCO and CLO-PSO.
RICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2200 posts, RR: 36 Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 788 times:
Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 14): Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 12):
In some way the image of SAM ended with the Alianza Summa livery.. only the name remained..
That's not true. SAM,
Right, but for the general public it was just AV.
You purchase a ticket calling Avianca's call center even if you end up traveling in MM, you checked in on Avianca's counter and traveling in MM the cups and napkins also say AV..
When you asked the majority of people that traveled on MM they said " I traveled on AV".. that's what I meant.
Bongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1832 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 723 times:
Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 15): MM and AV were not two weak companies, they were one strong group!
A strong group ? Did you read the news about AV and MM in the past ? Do you know the previous status of both? Do you know how many aircrafts SAM has? Is that a strong group ?
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RCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (3 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 641 times:
Quoting Bongo (Reply 17): A strong group ? Did you read the news about AV and MM in the past ? Do you know the previous status of both? Do you know how many aircrafts SAM has? Is that a strong group ?
Come on, of course i know all of that. ÇBut AV/MM are a strong group. They have made huge profits in 2004 and 2005...they have new investment, have the biggest slice of the domestic market, the only Colombian airline flying big intenrational routes.......they are not two weak companies.....
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