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Cargo Plane Crash In Northern BC  
User currently offlineBOAC707 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 278 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

http://www.canada.com/theprovince/st...ad7-4165-992f-fe00025914c9&k=15934

This is just a bad year for plane crashes...and a generally crappy time of the year for any accidents.

Condolences to the families.


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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2494 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

Wonder if this was the bird?


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From watching various Mitsubishi MU-2's from time to time, is it me or do they seem very unstable? They seem to have a very high landing speed, also short in length with a narrow landing gear stance - almost top heavy.



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User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

That's the second crash for NavAir this year. In the summer they lost a Navajo while on approach to Comox, also killing both the pilot and co-pilot.

My condolences to the families as well.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5209 times:
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I'm not a pilot but have a friend who is and owned several MU-2s. I believe he's said they were fairly difficult to handle because of the kinds of control surfaces (or lack of) and needed constant attention from the crew. Also think he said a high approach speed was needed for the same reason. Any others able to verify that and amplify of that?

I was surprised to see them in a freighter role do to perceived low lift ability if those stories are true.



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User currently offlineRyGuy From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5097 times:

The Second??? Now I am sure that they should look into Maintenance... 2 is alot of crahs' for an Airline in one year!!

Rest In Peace and God Bless the Pilot and Co-Pilot!

Thanks

-RyGuy  Sad



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5082 times:

Quoting M404 (Reply 3):
I'm not a pilot but have a friend who is and owned several MU-2s. I believe he's said they were fairly difficult to handle because of the kinds of control surfaces (or lack of) and needed constant attention from the crew. Also think he said a high approach speed was needed for the same reason. Any others able to verify that and amplify of that?

I've never heard anyone say they enjoyed flying the MU-2, only people complaining about how bad they are to fly..... I know when a company for whom I used to work owned them we always hired someone to ferry them rather than have one of our pilots do it.


User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

According to the news this morning, NavAir has surrendered their OC and must apply to have it re-instated. Very sad, from what I've heard they are an awesome airline to fly for. A lot of guys have gone from there to fly for the regionals.

In 1995, they lost a Navajo in Kamloops, killing the captain (PNF) and severly injuring the FO (PF). This was ruled as pilot error.

This past summer they lost another Navajo on approach to Comox, killing both the captain and first officer. The cause of this was an engine fire.

God bless, boys, rest in peace  Sad



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User currently offlineCXH From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4744 times:

Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 1):
Wonder if this was the bird?

Actually, the aircraft that crashed is C-FTWO. Probably looked the same as that link.

Surprisingly, a local TV newscast (CTV Vancouver) had a big report on it and the registration is clearly visible. The tail section appears intact but the rest of the aircraft is a mess, sadly.

Here is a link if you want to watch:
http://www.ctv9.ca/streamnews.jsp?id=/news/streaming_news.htm

Select the Wednesday (Dec 21) Newscast and it starts about 11 minutes in.



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User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

I was trying to find a picture of the exact aircraft but man-oh-man, whatever you do, don't do a Google image search for "C-FTWO".

Ah, the media. So quick to blame. From what I've heard, the crash in April was the result of a new engine with a defect from the manufacturer (a leaking oil seal). I don't think that's poor maintenance or unsafe flying. Basically, bad luck; the engine could have gone to any operator. We should get a better idea of what happened before we play the blame game and crucify the pilots or the maintainance personnel or the management or the company.

I feel for the team at NavAir. I am quite fond of that company, I've been there many times over the past year and had some good talks with their old Chief Pilot. They are in my thoughts and prayers this Christmas.



"Trying is the first step towards failure" -Homer Simpson
User currently offlineN723GW From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

I remember when I was in Aviation Weather, we listened to recordings of emergencies due to ice, and I seem to recall a MU-2 crashing in that general area, I want to say it was in the early 90's...so sad. Condolences to the families...


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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Mu 2's are a beast. Extremely unstable and because they lack aelerons, they are uncontrollable at low speeds. Lose an engine and you don't get home is what I've heard. In the past year, 2 of them have gone down around APA.

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