TAM, a longtime Airbus customer, said it intends to use the new aircraft to renew its fleet. The airline currently has 56 Airbus jets in its fleet, including the A330-200, which seats 213 passengers. The A350-900 will be configured in a three-class layout, seating up to 300 people.
TAM finished November with 43.8 percent of Brazil's domestic market.
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9444 posts, RR: 72 Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5664 times:
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How come they will wait 6+ years for delivery? If they don't need them until then, fine, but why tie up the cash?
PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5648 times:
Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 3): So I assume this means that this order will not get Airbus any closer to 200 orders by the end of the year, as it's already been counted?
What they signed for in Paris was 8 firm and 7 options. This is for 10 firm and 5 options so they're actually two closer. (But your negative spin is duly noted.)
PHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5639 times:
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2): TAM finished November with 43.8 percent of Brazil's domestic market.
That number is quickly changing with the rapid growth of Gol.
Sabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2697 posts, RR: 49 Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5543 times:
Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 3): I assume this means that this order will not get Airbus any closer to 200 orders by the end of the year
What do you mean?
Since the A350 is just a warmed up A330, not even worth of being called a kind of A330NG, you should live up to your claims and count ALL versions: by doing so, the fly-by-wire wide body twin from Airbus has already exceeded its very ambitious sales target months ago!
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5530 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 5): What they signed for in Paris was 8 firm and 7 options. This is for 10 firm and 5 options so they're actually two closer. (But your negative spin is duly noted.)
In fairness to BoomBoom, I think he made an honest mistake. It happens.
Mbj2000 From Germany, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5319 times:
What's wrong with you guys, why all these negative comments?! I mean it is normal to be a bit biased towards one side or the other, but you seem to have developed this attitude everything comes from Airbus must be crap and can only be sold with big incentives, Airbus should shut down production lines and don't spoil the business for Boeing.
Is it so hard for Boeing fans to accept there might exist planes built somewhere else in the world that CAN be as good as Boeing's?!
Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 3): So I assume this means that this order will not get Airbus any closer to 200 orders by the end of the year, as it's already been counted?
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4): How come they will wait 6+ years for delivery? If they don't need them until then, fine, but why tie up the cash?
Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 6): That number is quickly changing with the rapid growth of Gol.
Like most of life's problems, this one can be solved with bending -- Bender Unit 22
FlyPEGASUS From Portugal, joined Nov 2005, 72 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5088 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 14): This now leaves 8 unannounced orders which is expected to come this week from Latin America.
Any guess who it might be?
I would bet on TACA and Mexicana!!
Possible orders of A350 coming from Latin America Airlines has been discussed in a recent thread: Viva Macau, Startup, Plans A350 Or B787 Order (by PanAm_DC10 Dec 15 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2493094
You can check some considerations about it there.
Quoting MBJ2000 (Reply 19): How many (fix) A350 orders has Airbus so far for this year? Has somebody got numbers?
Last time I saw it was on a post from WINGS in one other thread. WINGS can you post it again?
I note the discussion as to the definition of the regions. Perhaps I should have been clearer. Mexico is included in the region. But I would be looking further south as to whom will place the order of note
Regards, PanAm_DC10
Hmmmm....Some good calls, let's hope I'm right Now, some more fuel to the fire.....
MIAMI (Dow Jones)--Airbus will sell 10 more aircraft in South America by the end of this year, said Rafael Alonso, Airbus' senior vice president for Latin America, Caribbean and Spain, on Wednesday. Alonso declined to say which companies will buy the aircraft, but said an announcement is expected shortly, probably next week.
More than 1 carrier, more than 1 model. The plot thickens...Guesses anyone?
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5030 times:
So far we have the following orders for the A350.
Qatar Airways 60
Tap Portugal 12
Tam 10
Air Europa 10
Eurofly 3
Kingfisher 5
US Airways 20
Gecas 10
CIT 5
ILFC 12
ALAFCO 12
Undisclosed 8 (LatinAmerica)
TOTAL: 167 Order/Commitments
Air MAdrid has also spoken of their interest in ordering 15 A350. Even if we take all of these orders/commitments it would still leave Airbus 18 frames short of their 200 goal.
BoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5000 times:
Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 9): Since the A350 is just a warmed up A330, not even worth of being called a kind of A330NG, you should live up to your claims
My claims? Where did I say this? The only ones who seem to be bashing the A350 in this thread are the Airbus lovers, like you.
Quoting EI321 (Reply 11): In fairness to BoomBoom, I think he made an honest mistake. It happens.
That's why I posed it in the form of a question because I really didn't know.
So I assume this means that this order will not get Airbus any closer to 200 orders by the end of the year, as it's already been counted?
But your "fairness" is greatly appreciated.
Also, Sabenapilot, that quote in Reply #8 was from the WSJ, I'm sure it was purely accidental that you tried to attribute it solely to me.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4992 times:
Hi!
Good show TAM!!! I understand that for some people in this forum it's a bit hard to "swallow" the fact that slowly but steady Airbus is building the numbers on the A350.... there's a great market for the A350 and I know that many airlines will order the A350 instead of the 787! Pacience is a virtue and Airbus know exactely what to do!
Regards
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7177 posts, RR: 45 Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4905 times:
Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 6): That number is quickly changing with the rapid growth of Gol.
RG is the carrier suffering the most as a result of Gol's growth. JJ has been steadily the number one in the domestic market and while Gol indeed is a threat, JJ is a really strong player with a lot of loyal customers.
Hopefully MX will order a few. The change of ownership might delay things a bit, however, MX is said to be close to ordering the A332 for EZE and JFK services and the A345 for Asian destinations (they have spoken of wanting to fly to PEK on time for the Olympics). With respect to next-generation twin engined planes, MX is said to be considering both the 787 and the A350.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4866 times:
Good for Airbus. A respectable win for them.
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 4): If they don't need them until then, fine, but why tie up the cash?
Perhaps they do not need to front the cash yet or only had to commit a minimal amount. I would bet Airbus is offering some very flexible terms on the A350 to prime the pump a little.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21 Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4721 times:
One thing that impressed me very much was the sincere contratulations to Boeing and QF from many admitted Airbus proponents when the announcement of large 787 order was released last week. That was a class act. May I reciprocate? Well done, TAM and Airbus!
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7696 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4220 times:
Here's the question: with TAM buying up to 15 A350's, and given the nearly 1,000 nautical mile longer range of the A350, will that mean TAM is seriously looking at flying from GIG/GRU all the way to LAX?
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3931 times:
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Quoting Sabenapilot (Reply 8): I thought they only announced their intention to buy 8 A350s at Le Bourget, not 10 like they have signed for now...
That is indeed correct. It should have actually been 12 got told that last week after reading another financial Filing of theirs. Not sure how it ended up 2 short at 10 but nice to see the firm order component increased all the same.
Quoting WINGS (Reply 21): More than 1 carrier, more than 1 model. The plot thickens...Guesses anyone?
WINGS is only as good as the information that he had and again, this is a case of where I could have been clearer in what I said. Where I refer to the above statement, the attached article makes no mention of the A350. So more than 1 carrier, more than 1 model meant more than 1 Airbus model
If my English was not concise enough it warrants an apology for any confusion caused.
26 LipeGIG: Ray, could be. But i strong believe the first additional destination they should serve will be London. TAM is looking very close to RG's situation, b
27 WINGS: Hi PanAm, The one that should be apologizing is me. Your post was very clear. Unfortunately I miss read your post. You very well stated that it would
28 PanAm_DC10: Wigs Huh, a name change or no morning coffee yet? Always a pleasure discussing orders with you my good man. I still feel that I should have been clea
29 WINGS: Yep. Am still in need of a good caffeine shot. Regards, Wings
30 Incitatus: How about calling it the A300 NG I would like to restate my point that the only reason TAM chose the A350 is because of its standing relationship wit
31 A360: Well, Boeing didn't start from scratch to compete with the 320... they upgraded the 737 and created the 737NG which, as you must be aware, was/is a s
32 WINGS: Tap a classic example? What are you talking about? You should look closer to home for some examples of poor aquasitions. If you took sometime to lear
33 BoomBoom: Yes, but the 787 is a much more revolutionary design. The 737NG is able to match or beat the A320 in performance. But it doesn't necessarily follow t
34 Incitatus: Coursework on logic would help. I never stated that all derivatives are poor airplanes. I only stated that in this case the gap between the A330 and
35 WINGS: I was actually referring to Varig and their fleet options. Look at how many different types of aircraft and powerplants are currently being used by t
36 DAYflyer: Two more frames firm. Sure is a hot seller!
37 WINGS: Its actually more than just two extra frames. Its TAMs faith in the A350 project that has lead them to excercise two options. The same that Tap Portu
38 TheSonntag: Neither is it taken for given that it doesn't. The A350 features a new wing, new engines of a already revolutionary design (the A330 was one of the f
39 BoomBoom: Sure, if you want to change the subject.
40 Manni: Enought to upset you, apparently. BTW, Looking at Boeings orders/commitments for the 787 Icelandair 2 Xiamen Airlines 3 Vietnam Airlines 4 Royal Air
42 PanAm_DC10: TAM have announced that they have chosen GE for their engines. By Andrea Rothman Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- General Electric Co., the world's biggest maker
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