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User currently offlineRuuxxv From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5287 times:

Saw something interesting on WN's route map today.

If you select "show only nonstop flights," and then click on Denver, OAK and SAN show up as having nonstop service.

WN has not yet announced nonstop service to either OAK or SAN from DEN, although they're both likely candidates for nonstop WN service, especially OAK.

Probably just a glitch, but it's sure an interesting one.

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Hmmh, Look and see if there is announcement today or tomorrow, most announcements like to be made on thursdays.

Alex



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Please add MCI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5245 times:

Wow! Doesn't the SAN-DEN route already have a combined 11 flights a day with F9 and UA? I guess WN is trying to get to that magic 100 number at SAN. But we need non-stops to RNO, Southwest...not somehwere we already have non-stops to.


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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5213 times:

Glitch?

Maybe not. The response to SWA coming to town here in Denver has been overwhelming. I wouldn't doubt SWA is already lining these other cities up.



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

RSW-HOU also comes up on the nonstop only map. I'd suspect an announcement on new service soon too...

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Playing around with schedules it looks like DEN-SAN and DEN-OAK are going to be Saturday only Nonstop flights.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 6):
Playing around with schedules it looks like DEN-SAN and DEN-OAK are going to be Saturday only Nonstop flights.

What schedule are you looking at and what month?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

Feb 5 2006 schedule. Flights seem to disappear after only a month or 2.
http://www.southwest.com/pdf_schedules/DEN/20060205R3.den.pdf



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 4):
Glitch?

Maybe not. The response to SWA coming to town here in Denver has been overwhelming. I wouldn't doubt SWA is already lining these other cities up.

I Agree, Somewhat.

Since I work in Ski travel, people are excited that WN is finally heading back to Denver. Though, I haven't heard much from locals about SWA coming. I seen some commercials on TV, I think they were a sponsor of the Denver parade of lights. They sponsored the sports ticker on KWGN 2 news.
It comes down to price.
And frankly, I've had a play around on the reservations part of their site, and a lot of the promo fares and such are sold out(dates I have looked for), and they are the same price as UA or F9. And at that point, I'd rather fly them and get an assigned seat.

So mark me down as a front ranger who does not care if Soutwest comes to Denver or not. The fares I've seen have not impressed me. If the fly to St Louis non-stop, cheap, then I'll have a second look.



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User currently offlineRuuxxv From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 70 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

On Southwest.com looks like the flights begin in 2/11, end 3/25.
That's ski season and Saturday's typically a heavy ski travel day.
They could be experimenting. Who knows...

The flights/schedules don't show in Sabre, just on southwest.com.

IF they're actually doing this, it's surprising WN didn't announce it before information became available on their website.

Guess we'll see...


User currently offlineSkedguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 137 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4887 times:
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Quoting Ruuxxv (Thread starter):
Saw something interesting on WN's route map today.

If you select "show only nonstop flights," and then click on Denver, OAK and SAN show up as having nonstop service.

WN has not yet announced nonstop service to either OAK or SAN from DEN, although they're both likely candidates for nonstop WN service, especially OAK.

Probably just a glitch, but it's sure an interesting one.

The flights you are seeing are indeed Saturday-only flights as of the February 5 schedule. Looking at the map on Southwest.com, you can see: SAN-RNO, DTW-LAS, DEN-OAK/SAN, and HOU-RSW.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4605 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 3):
Wow! Doesn't the SAN-DEN route already have a combined 11 flights a day with F9 and UA?

Well...of course Southwest says there is too much capacity in the industry right now, but that doesn't apply to them.  Smile


User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4707 times:

Quoting Jmy007 (Reply 9):
Since I work in Ski travel, people are excited that WN is finally heading back to Denver. Though, I haven't heard much from locals about SWA coming. I seen some commercials on TV, I think they were a sponsor of the Denver parade of lights. They sponsored the sports ticker on KWGN 2 news.
It comes down to price.
And frankly, I've had a play around on the reservations part of their site, and a lot of the promo fares and such are sold out(dates I have looked for), and they are the same price as UA or F9. And at that point, I'd rather fly them and get an assigned seat.

So mark me down as a front ranger who does not care if Soutwest comes to Denver or not. The fares I've seen have not impressed me. If the fly to St Louis non-stop, cheap, then I'll have a second look.

Jesus, be patient.



Keepin' it real.
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

What I find interesting is that when displaying all service, not just nonstop from Denver, not one destination in Texas is available....wonder how long that will last?


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4442 times:
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Quoting Stirling (Reply 14):
What I find interesting is that when displaying all service, not just nonstop from Denver, not one destination in Texas is available....wonder how long that will last?

Could be a while, other than HOU, I don't see any other texas destinations soon, other than maybe and I really mean maybe SAT or AUS.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 12):
Well...of course Southwest says there is too much capacity in the industry right now, but that doesn't apply to them.

Well, considering they create so much demand for them as well as competiting airlines, at least they creating demand and can make a profit.

Quoting Skedguy (Reply 11):
The flights you are seeing are indeed Saturday-only flights as of the February 5 schedule. Looking at the map on Southwest.com, you can see: SAN-RNO, DTW-LAS, DEN-OAK/SAN, and HOU-RSW.

Sweet, those all are interesting city pairs that I hope work out so that they can offer 1 or 2 flights a day.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Southwest little overwhealming responce will be short lived when people actually realize they are not always the cheapest like they make people think.


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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

DEN-OAK is a perfect target. F9 used to compete with UA but pulled out, so it's a United monopoly route right now... and at their Northern California "hub" they have plenty of pax available.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 17):
Southwest little overwhealming responce will be short lived when people actually realize they are not always the cheapest like they make people think.

Oh, it's 03:01...


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

And WN will have some empty gates around them soon...
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2496829/


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 4):
The response to SWA coming to town here in Denver has been overwhelming. I wouldn't doubt SWA is already lining these other cities up.

I thought everyone in Denver was going to keep flying United and Frontier because their products are so superior and less expensive than Southwest most of the time. You mean that's not true??? Or that there might be enough business for everyone when the fares come down?

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 12):
Well...of course Southwest says there is too much capacity in the industry right now, but that doesn't apply to them.

I think what they'd probably argue is that there is a surplus of high-cost capacity in the industry.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 17):
Southwest little overwhealming responce will be short lived when people actually realize they are not always the cheapest like they make people think.

If you think that being the cheapest is the reason for Southwest's success, you simply do not understand their business.


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 17):
Southwest little overwhealming responce will be short lived when people actually realize they are not always the cheapest like they make people think.

A most rediculous statement. So exactly what airline is it that is ALWAYS the cheapest?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4013 times:
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Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 17):
Southwest little overwhealming responce will be short lived when people actually realize they are not always the cheapest like they make people think.

Let's don't forget the others are so cheap because of WN.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 21):
I think what they'd probably argue is that there is a surplus of high-cost capacity in the industry.

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User currently offlineWorldflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

SAN and OAK are Saturday only effective February 11, with no end date posted.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_3331757


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Quoting N200WN (Reply 21):
A most rediculous statement. So exactly what airline is it that is ALWAYS the cheapest?

Independence Air  Smile.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5821 posts, RR: 28
Reply 25, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3279 times:

Quoting Worldflyer (Reply 23):
SAN and OAK are Saturday only effective February 11, with no end date posted.

http://www.denverpost.com/business/c...31757

According to the article, they currently will run only a month then MAY continue based on aircraft scheduling.

It's unclear how long the flights on those routes will continue, Berg said, which is why the company hasn't announced them. Currently, the flights can be booked on Southwest's website through March 11.

The end date is not firm. Berg said schedulers may continue the routes "if it's working fine and we don't have any other place we need (the planes)."



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