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Super-Luxury On A380?  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

Does anyone know if any of the carriers that have already placed orders for the A380 plan to install large public spaces, sucha as lounges, restaurants, or maybe even casinos, aboard their particular A380's?

I remember the days when 747's had piano lounges and were sold as cruise ships in the sky. However, those days are long gone, having fallen to the immutable laws of economics.

Does anyone know if the super-luxurious features hinted at for Airbus's superjumbo will be actualized by any of the airlines that have currently committed to it? The A380 does have a lot of room, but will any airline want to configure much of it to include relatively inefficient public space, such as a lounge, rather than as a relatively normal, seat-filled aircraft?

[Edited 2005-12-21 19:22:31]

[Edited 2005-12-21 19:22:55]

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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

Virgin Atlantic has said some things but I have not heard anything since.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):

I remember the days when 747's had piano lounges and were sold as cruise ships in the sky. However, those days are long gone, having fallen to the immutable laws of economics.

Airbus have promised to repeal the laws of economics. The airlines are skeptical.


User currently offlineCATHAY747 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

QF has said they will have a meeting room of some type so business pax can have meetings while inflight, but as Shamrock said above, there hasn't been much said, I think they are all keeping it secret.


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):
Airbus have promised to repeal the laws of economics. The airlines are skeptical.

Notice also that Boeing has promised the same, what with the huge lounge bar in the 747-8 mockups  Wink


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

The A380 was really built for lots of passengers and I think many airlines will stick with that. It would be nice to see something different in an aircraft as wide as the A380.

User currently offlineBR076 From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 1086 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5340 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4):

Notice also that Boeing has promised the same, what with the huge lounge bar in the 747-8 mockups Wink


[sarcasm]Don't forget that Boeing always delivers what it promise, while by Airbus it's all PR[/sarcasm]



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

But the 748 offers such things in addition to existing pax space or even to generate MORE space, while the A388 would require cutting into pax or cargo space for any such amenities. There is a big difference. The 748 concepts only take a hit in weight, but not capacity. The A380 concepts take a hit in capacity, but probably not weight.


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User currently offlineDean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

When Airbus announced the launch of the A3XX, they said, restaurants, gym and many more luxury things will be placed inside the aircraft... It's very nice idea, but imagine how many seats can you put in that area where you can open a gym or restaurant... And nowadays, when I got only plastic-sandwich for 8 hrs of flying, nobody wants to have less seats because of something luxury... I think a bar and nothing more will be there for business and first paxs like VS has it now.

User currently offlineFokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

Quoting BR076 (Reply 6):
[sarcasm]Don't forget that Boeing always delivers what it promise, while by Airbus it's all PR[/sarcasm]


And if you add the 'fact' that Airbusses are always sold for bargain prices while Boeing doesn't even know about discounts, it all becomes very obvious and clear..

I'm very curious if we'll see some luxurious A380's, apart from the private A380's. I hope VS will surprise us.

[Edited 2005-12-21 20:15:34]


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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

If someone gave me money every time this thread comes up, I wouldn't need to work anymore.

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4921 times:

I guess the airlines are playing it close to the vest. Or perhaps it's the old saying: "What you don't know, won't hurt you." (Or the airlines, for that matter.) It's better to maintain a certain mystique than to show your hand, particularly if you're going to be held to your promises.

I suppose it's slightly different with manufacturers, who can promise fanciful interior options and so forth, since ultimately the buck stops with the airline companies who have the final say on how to actually outfit the cabins.

[Edited 2005-12-21 23:43:59]

User currently offlineJcavinato From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

I've seen this vapor-marketing with the design launch of all large planes since the 1960s and have yet to see any of those designs come to fruition. Being up to the airlines, they have a trembling hand always pushing toward trying to pack as many coach seats as possible.

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Quoting Jcavinato (Reply 12):
Being up to the airlines, they have a trembling hand always pushing toward trying to pack as many coach seats as possible.

I agree. That said, some of the larger international carriers HAVE put in "sky suites" (e.g., fully reclinable, partitioned seats in a herringbone configuration) in first-class, which I suppose should count for something. I don't remember this kind of sleeper seats being quite as popular until relatively recently. I remember seeing historical photos of sleeper seats in the earliest airliners (pre-jet age) but they seem to have been more or less phased out in the 1960's through the 1990's, until now. So, maybe there's hope for super-premium features after all.


User currently offlineSingaporegirl From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 302 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 13):
So, maybe there's hope for super-premium features after all.

indeed. when i first joined singapore airlines 10 years ago, our 744s had between 16 to 24 first class seats. now, we only have 12 f class seats. we also have less raffles class seats today, compared to a decade ago as well. singapore airlines have hired a well known british yacht interior designer/builder to design the premium cabins of our a380s, therefore we should have very high end & luxurious products to offer once the a380s are being introduced.



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 14):
singapore airlines have hired a well known british yacht interior designer/builder to design the premium cabins of our a380s, therefore we should have very high end & luxurious products to offer once the a380s are being introduced.

I look forward to enjoying these on SQ's B777-300ERs.  Smile


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4794 times:
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Even with the...conservative...pitch factors that Airbus and Boeing both use to determine capacities, it does seem that ~470 pax is a little low for airlines like QF and SQ for a plane with close to twice the floorspace (yes, I know it's not all usable) of their ~350 pax 744s.

And as noted, they are all keeping very tight reins on their interior accompanyments, so we may very well see some special things at first to generate excitement and F and C sales.  Smile

Then, a few years from now when F and C sales have stabalized and it's time for a D check, they can rip out the goodies and toss more Economy seats in those spaces.  Wink


User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4):
Notice also that Boeing has promised the same, what with the huge lounge bar in the 747-8 mockups Wink

The lounge bar is actually just an option for one of the gallies (the one nearest the stairs which has been moved in the new design IIRC).


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
Even with the...conservative...pitch factors that Airbus and Boeing both use to determine capacities, it does seem that ~470 pax is a little low for airlines like QF and SQ for a plane with close to twice the floorspace (yes, I know it's not all usable) of their ~350 pax 744s.

The actual cabin floor area of the WhaleJet is 48% greater than that of the B747-400 (552 sq meters to 372 sq meters). The usable floor space is 40-45% greater.


User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
I look forward to enjoying these on SQ's B777-300ERs.

I bet that, for you, the seats will be much more confortable on the 773ER than on the 380's, right?  Wink

You just love the A380 so much!  Silly

PS: Looks like SQ want's to delay the 773ER's deliveries so that the 380 will be the first aircraft to have the new seats... hehe  tongue 

Regards:
A360


User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1342 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 2):

Airbus have promised to repeal the laws of economics. The airlines are skeptical.

It seems to me to be the other way around. Normally airlines would have about 15% less seats on their plans relative to what the manufactures claim as typical. However, on the 380 that seems to be roughly in line with what the plane offers with 555 pax (about 10-15% more space per seat compared to average). So reducing the number of seats on the 380 to somewhere around 470-480 indicates that something new is on its way. My guess is that this extra space will be in business and first (the rest of us in Y will be cramped in as usual). Potentially the 380 might empty the front end of other competing aircrafts on the routes it will fly.

Yes I do think that this is more than just having the same seats on a 777 as on the 380...

Abba


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 9):
I'm very curious if we'll see some luxurious A380's, apart from the private A380's

So far only one person has even hinted a Biz A380 and thats a Middle Eastern Oil person who wants to remain anoymous. How you can be anonymous with that giant following you round is beyond belief.

Thats what I want for Christmas Big grin plus about USD$150 000 000 worth of fuel (just so and fly it) plus money for FA's and pilots and mechanics plus landing and airport hangar hire plus spare parts and other maintenance aspects plus all other expences that could occur.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
470 pax is a little low for airlines like QF

QF will have 555 seats on their A380's.

QFA380


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

In the early stages of the A380 we were promised shopping malls, multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys, lounge bars, swimming pools and spas, gyms, double bedrooms with private facilities and anything else that people could dream up without thinking about loss of revenue/weight restrictions.

In reality, the most you will probably see is perhaps a bar for premium class passengers or a space where they can "raid the larder", just like you see on some A340s/744s today. Branson did say that VS would have on-board casinos, but this would probably be a channel on the IFE, if anything.



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User currently offlineGBan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
But the 748 offers such things in addition to existing pax space or even to generate MORE space, while the A388 would require cutting into pax or cargo space for any such amenities. There is a big difference. The 748 concepts only take a hit in weight, but not capacity. The A380 concepts take a hit in capacity, but probably not weight.

Don't understand your post. Are you trying to say that a lounge on the 748 increases pax space and the same lounge on the A388 decreases pax space???


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 10):
If someone gave me money every time this thread comes up, I wouldn't need to work anymore.

If I received money, when ever a thread about the A380 being a flop comes up, I would be able to afford my self an A380.  Wink

Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 14):
singapore airlines have hired a well known british yacht interior designer/builder to design the premium cabins of our a380s, therefore we should have very high end & luxurious products to offer once the a380s are being introduced.

Very interesting news Singaporegirl. It will be interesting to see what SQ comes up with.

Regards,
Wings



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25 Dazeflight : Multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys and swimming pools. Yeah right. Show us where things like that were promised apart from discussions here on a.ne
26 Matt72033 : at the end of the day, all these features will use space that can be used for revenue paying passengers! its not gonna happen!
27 A319XFW : The space under the front stairs can not have any seat in it. That would allow a bit of room for a small bar or VS massage service etc... Well you'd
28 Post contains images ClassicLover : The multi-screen cinema already exists - ever seen a Y cabin with PTVs? I believe the bowling alley will be an IFE game I have also heard that QF wil
29 Post contains images Litz : Multi-screen cinemas, bowling alleys and swimming pools. Yeah right. Show us where things like that were promised apart from discussions here on a.ne
30 IL96M : I was flying NH HKG-NRT last week in business class, 744. It had a "bar counter" area with 3 strap-in bar stools and also a 2-seat "business office" z
31 Post contains images Zvezda : If they're the same seats, then the seat comfort should be invariant with aircraft type -- even for me. I really do have a fondness for the WhaleJet,
32 A380jet777 : If luxurious lounges are to be offered in the A380, Emirates would be the airliner to offer it, because Emirates is the airline that always tries to b
33 A360 : Yes... they will have around 470 seats on the A380's. Regards: A360
34 Post contains images Stitch : Thanks. I thought 100% was too high. I am pretty sure that QF announced that they were lowering their seat-count to more closely match SQ, which I be
35 Post contains images Piercey : correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought I heard somewhere that Emirates will NOT put in any lounges. No source, so this is probably just flamebate
36 DAYflyer : The A-380 was built to be a cattle car and that is exactly how it will be used. I would expect to see 550-650 pax on them. They willl give each coach
37 Robert1177 : I am very confused on how they can put a swimming pool on an airplane. Would the water splash around when taking off, landing and turbulence? With a m
38 Morvious : I think you will see those on the virgin planes in the beginning. After a few years of operating the aircraft, it will be replaced with seats anyway.
39 PHXinterrupted : Is this european humor?
40 Ken777 : The 380 has had sufficient hype for the high paying pax to expect something better than they get on a 747 - which puts pressure on the airlines to del
41 RIXrat : I've been pondering this thread and have come to the conclusion that "what goes around comes around." Remember those sepia colored pix of PA "stewarde
42 SKA380 : Well, depends how much money they were giving you i suppose. But if we're talking $1, i wouldn't quit my job just quite yet. Leif
43 Abba : Never believe preformance claims of aircrafts not yet in operation. That includes ALL aircrafts yet to prove their credentials! However, there are in
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