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Air Deccan Signs Deal For 30 Airbus A320...  
User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Air Deccan inks deal for purchase of 30 more A320s

Quote:
AIR Deccan has signed a deal with Airbus Industrie for purchase of 30 more A320s, delivery for which will begin from 2008.

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With this deal, the airline has signed up for a total of 62 Airbus A320s.

The agreement was signed early this week.

The delivery for the existing order of Airbus A320s begins from 2007 and the next 30 from 2008. Of these, two A320s have already been sold and leased back to the airline.

Industry sources said that with the signing for the additional aircraft, Air Deccan has been able to renegotiate a better price for even the existing order of 32 aircraft. ...


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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

I'm sure they'll have 100 before IndiGo does. I hope quite a few go the Deccan Lanka way.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5591 times:

Thats great, Airbus are addng lots of new orders before 05' comes to a close.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 5506 times:

Who needs AI? Airbus dominates India with especially all those narrowbody orders from Air Deccan, IndiGo and Kingfisher.


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 5495 times:

Air Deccan is currently third largest domestic carrier in India(ahead of Sahara). We should expect it to be ahead of Indian Airlines before 2010.

User currently offlineDarthRandall From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 5479 times:

That's a lot of BabyBusses! At least somebody is serious about bringing new aircraft to India, eh?


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User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5232 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
Air Deccan is currently third largest domestic carrier in India(ahead of Sahara). We should expect it to be ahead of Indian Airlines before 2010.

Air Deccan to acquire 30 more A 320s at USD 1.5 bn

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After the acquisition of the new aircraft the fleet size will go up to 110 to 115 planes by 2012-13.

In the next year, the airline will receive eight A 320s, followed by ten every year thereafter, taking the fleet size to 32 by the end of 2006.


Indian Airlines will have around 43 new airbuses + 20 old/leased planes unless they order some more before then. So Deccan will definitely leap ahead of IC easily.


User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5201 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
Who needs AI? Airbus dominates India with especially all those narrowbody orders from Air Deccan, IndiGo and Kingfisher.

Right, and talk about overcapacity. Any bets as to the first of these airlines going under?



Keepin' it real.
User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 7):
Right, and talk about overcapacity. Any bets as to the first of these airlines going under?

As an average Joe-Passenger, I could not care less. So long as I get cheap seats on flights, I don't care if it's a DN or 0S or IT or IC or S2 or 9W or any of the other airlines in India. And the spate of new aircraft/airlines certainly shows that there's room for more a/c in India, not less. That there's no place to park at night is another matter - anyway airlines have to finalize their slots before the a/c arrive.
And this is great news for DN & Airbus - esp after some crappy news articles talking about DN looking at 738s for the next order. Is this order a done deal, or is it still a way off before appearing on Airbus's order list?



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

Quoting Blrsea (Reply 6):
Indian Airlines will have around 43 new airbuses + 20 old/leased planes unless they order some more before then. So Deccan will definitely leap ahead of IC easily.

I was thinking in terms of total revenue. Air Deccan already has the largest network in India. However, they fly many ATRs and therefore will need a substantially larger number of total aircrafts to leap ahead of IC.


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 9):
I was thinking in terms of total revenue. Air Deccan already has the largest network in India. However, they fly many ATRs and therefore will need a substantially larger number of total aircrafts to leap ahead of IC.

You are right about DN needing more aircrafts. However, with the current deal with airbus, DN will have 62 airbus + around 30 ATRs by 2012. But given that DN has single class only, and their fares are lower than IC, their revenue per seat km might not be as much as IC. On the other hand, DN with its low cost structure might have lower expenditure than IC. Anyway, interesting times ahead for Indian aviation!!


User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
As an average Joe-Passenger, I could not care less.

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I wonder how India aviation scene will look like say in 2010! Who is there & who is not?  innocent 



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4893 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 11):
I wonder how India aviation scene will look like say in 2010! Who is there & who is not?

Perhaps there will be some consolidation over the years, reducing the number of airlines. Really intriguing yes. Also, who will be the players on the international market by then, and how big will AI be then?



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User currently offlineDarthRandall From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 12):
Perhaps there will be some consolidation over the years, reducing the number of airlines. Really intriguing yes.

Indeed. Perhaps we will see something similar to the AmericaWest/USAirways merger. Do you think the Indian market will end up achieving the level of saturation seen in the U.S.?



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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Quoting DarthRandall (Reply 13):
Do you think the Indian market will end up achieving the level of saturation seen in the U.S.?

I think it depends on lot of factors, how long can india sustain the GDP growth(avg 5-6% last decade) that in turn helps people to move up the ladder on income levels which in turn feed the pax for aviation. As of today there are about 40-45 million traveling by air I,e not even 10% Indian population(1 billion) assuming growth can be sustained you are looking at another 80-100 million that can potentially fly! As far as infrastructure is concerned it is kinda saturated.



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4799 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 11):
I wonder how India aviation scene will look like say in 2010! Who is there & who is not? innocent

I don't foresee any major shake-out in next 4yrs. Perhaps merger of S2 with someone..
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 4):
We should expect it to be ahead of Indian Airlines before 2010.

Unlikely as IC will be getting their Birds soon even though 70% are replacements.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 8):
That there's no place to park at night is another matter - anyway airlines have to finalize their slots before the a/c arrive.

A lot of Construction work on at BOM on Airside.That problem would be solved by construction of those proposed 18 bays if they start on it.
BTW 9W Mx Hangar is Functional  bigthumbsup 

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 11):
I wonder how India aviation scene will look like say in 2010! Who is there & who is not?

The Bubble will def burst in two years & some operators will go.But then they would be replacements soon.

Quoting Aseem (Reply 15):
Perhaps merger of S2 with someone..

Perhaps S2 getting sold.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

The order is now official. The deal was signed on Dec. 22nd and announced by Airbus on Jan. 3rd.
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/01_03_06_A320_AirDeccan.html



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4407 times:

Quoting DarthRandall (Reply 5):
That's a lot of BabyBusses! At least somebody is serious about bringing new aircraft to India, eh?

Uhh..if you mean bringing the 320 family to India, IC has been using the type since 1991 or so.....


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Does India have Ch11 like USA got?

Curius.

Micke//SE



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
Does India have Ch11 like USA got?

Curius.

Micke//SE

I think the BIFR (Board for Industrial and Financial Reconstruction) is somewhat similar to Chapter 11....but I'm not too sure on this one....


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4297 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 14):
As of today there are about 40-45 million traveling by air I,e not even 10% Indian population(1 billion)

indeed, not even 5 percent even. If that can get up to 20-25 percent in the next ten years, there will be room for all carriers, and then some, just look at how many a/c there are in the US alone.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

The amount of Pax travelling by Rail in a day is almost equal to the Amount of Pax travelling by Air in a Year in INDIA.  Smile
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 18):
IC has been using the type since 1991 or so.....

Think he meant new frames rather than a new type for India...

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 19):
Does India have Ch11 like USA got?

There is a type of bankruptcy protection but it's nowhere near as militant as C11 in the US so carriers will not be able to hide behind it for ages like they do in the US.

YOWza



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 23):
There is a type of bankruptcy protection but it's nowhere near as militant as C11 in the US so carriers will not be able to hide behind it for ages like they do in the US.

It wasn't there in the Early 90s.What is this.
regds
MEL



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