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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Are Korean Air the only Skyteam carrier to Serve Australia/New Zealand.

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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

I think so ... is any other Skyteam Member serving Australia/New Zealand ?

AF = No
KL = No
AZ = No
OK = No
AM = No
DL = No
NW = ?
CO = ?


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1834 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

Continental Micronesian flies to Cairns, Australia from Guam.

Future Skyteam member, China Airlines, also flies to Brisbane and Sydney from Taipei.

Other than that, Skyteam is pretty weak in the "down under" routes.

Carfield


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

Quoting Carfield (Reply 2):
Future Skyteam member, China Airlines,

China Airlines, future Skyteam member ? since when ?

China Southern (from the P.R.of China). Not China Airlines.

I guess MH, a Future Skyteam member, flies to Australia ....


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2611 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

CO does go to Cairns, and KE goes to SYD and AKL.

Skyteam is weak in this region. It would be nice to have the alliance improve in this region.



B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

Quoting B4real (Reply 4):
CO does go to Cairns, and KE goes to SYD and AKL.

Skyteam is weak in this region. It would be nice to have the alliance improve in this region.

yes,,we need CO or NW to re-start the Australia flights.

also, skyteam asks for too many miles to reedm for australia. I think is 90K instead of 75K on oneworld, for example.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

Yeah they are deffinatly pretty weak down this way. Getting from the US to OZ/NZ would be an absolute pain for people who want to do it, so I doubt many would do it at all.

It would definatly be great if NW or CO restarted flights down under non stop from the US.

Quoting B4real (Reply 4):
CO does go to Cairns, and KE goes to SYD and AKL.

KE also goes to BNE and NAN plus CHC in the Northern winter. Those are only 2-3 times weekly though whereas AKL and SYD are daily for most of the year, AKL reduces to 5-6 weekly from April June some years depending on foward bookings. And also usually uses a 772, whereas they use a 744 to AKL in the NZ summer. SYD was a 744 then a 772 now in the Southern summer its only a 333.


User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Why dosen't AF fly to SYD from CDG or KL from AMS? With the alliance lacking good Australia service, It seems like one or both of these routes would make sense.

User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

Quoting BBJII (Thread starter):
Are Korean Air the only Skyteam carrier to Serve Australia/New Zealand.

KE and CO Mic.

Quoting Carfield (Reply 2):
Future Skyteam member, China Airlines, also flies to Brisbane and Sydney from Taipei.

China Airlines is not a future member of SkyTeam. China Southern and Aeroflot are the only future members of SkyTeam.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 3):
I guess MH, a Future Skyteam member, flies to Australia ....

Malaysia is not a future member of SkyTeam. China Southern and Aeroflot are the only future members of SkyTeam.

B


User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 7):
KL from AMS

KLM and Malaysia Airlines have been cooperating on flights from KUL to PER, ADL, SYD, MEL, BNE and AKL for a few years now with good success.

MAS however remains NOT a member of Skyteam and looks like AF would like to keep it that way despite KL's proposal for an invitation for MH to join.


User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4392 times:

Isn't Tahiti part of the south pacific? AF flies there 5 times a week if I'm not mistaken.. of course, that's their only destination, and they fly from LAX...

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 6):
Yeah they are deffinatly pretty weak down this way. Getting from the US to OZ/NZ would be an absolute pain for people who want to do it, so I doubt many would do it at all.

I'm planning to go with KE to SYD this summer, It is kinda of a pain, but since is part of my FF RTW trip with my wife, I won't mind the stop in ICN.. I have a great itinerary, with only the trip to SYD being the longest (pain) trip... Anyways, if I had to buy the ticket, it certainly wouldn't be worth the extra money to fly with skyteam when you can fly Qantas or United direct from the US or take LAN via SCL if you fly from south america...
I wish skyteam would improve their network in the south pacific... But of course, there isn't a known carrier that is available, as the main 3 that fly down there directly are part of oneword and star (UA, QF, NZ).... so skyteam either starts their own operations or forget about it..



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User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

AF codeshares with QF on flights to Australia, saw it on the Melb Airport website on a QF flight. Doesn't QF codeshare on flights to CDG on AF from SIN?

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5554 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 7):
Why dosen't AF fly to SYD from CDG or KL from AMS? With the alliance lacking good Australia service, It seems like one or both of these routes would make sense.

AF & predecessor UTA flew to Australia for many years but services was stopped in the 1990s.

KLM flew to Australia since 1934! In fact they were the first non Australian airline to fly services into Australia. They gave up the fight in the late 90s, too much compertation from the Asian carriers.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

I think Skyteam should get TN - to improve services to america/europe and some services to Japan and also SB - to have an easier routing to europe with SB from SYD/AKL/BNE to NRT/KIX and from there on AF to CDG. I think there is potential for CO and NW to serve the south pacific. Maybe CO to places like AKL and say a south pacific island destination because it's largest aircraft are only 777's. And have NW fly the routes to Australia with the 747's. Obviously it will be more likely for these airlines to serve the south pacific once 787 aircraft arrive.
At the moment KE is not a very good airline to fly onward to europe with. It's schedules from AKL/SYD/NAN and BNE do not work well at all with flights to places like CDG and LHR.


User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Quoting LGAtoIND (Reply 7):
Why doesn't AF fly to SYD from CDG or KL from AMS? With the alliance lacking good Australia service, It seems like one or both of these routes would make sense.

Flights between CDG and Australia have never been profitable for all the airlines that operated the route in the past : UT, AF, AOM, QF etc ...

On the other hand, the Code share agreement signed between AF & QF on the route CDG-SIN (AF) - Australia (QF) is VERY successful for both airlines.
Schedules are coordinated for a short quick transfer at SIN (QF & AF aircraft are parked side by side.
From SIN, AF offers seats on QF flights to SYD, BNE, MEL, PER, ADL.
The agreement should be extended to CAIRNS, and "Flying Blue" Passengers should be able soon to use their miles on QF's domestic network.
AF load factor on CDG-SIN-CDG (B773ER) has increased by 3 points this year, thanks to this agreement, and an average of 100 PAX on each flights have a connection to/from Australia.
AF could introduce a second flight on certain days and plans now to use the A380 on that route in 2009/2010.

Quoting Mas777 (Reply 9):
MAS however remains NOT a member of Skyteam and looks like AF would like to keep it that way despite KL's proposal for an invitation for MH to join.

MH, for the moment is on the "waiting list".
AF would prefere another bigger and more "powerful" Asian carier, but the doors of Skyteam are not closed for MH.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2719 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

I`d like to see ME in skyteam ,operating an BEY-SYD !
Alex!



Tengo una pasion para la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

I heard some rumor that CX wouldn't mind leaving OneWorld and joining SkyTeam? Could this be true?


Homer: Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen.
User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quote:
I heard some rumor that CX wouldn't mind leaving OneWorld and joining SkyTeam? Could this be true?

This sounds like your typical  old  stupid statement, but just in case can you tell us where you heard this rumor?

I think OW is a very well balanced alliance and with the new companies that will be joining shortly I think the whole world is very well covered. I also think all it's members seem to be very happy with the alliance.



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User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 17):
This sounds like your typical stupid statement

My typical stupid statement?????? Sorry If I offend you so much.  spit 
I read it in an aviation magazine



Homer: Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen.
User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Sorry bad choice of word or translation from my native Spanish. I intended the use of "your" not personally to you. I intended to say "your" in a general way.

In other words this statement seems to crop up every now and then.

Please accept my apologies if you felt I was referring to you particularly. That was not my intention.  sorry 



These are my principles but if you don't like them I have others
User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 17):
I think OW is a very well balanced alliance and with the new companies that will be joining shortly I think the whole world is very well covered. I also think all it's members seem to be very happy with the alliance.

Well, in terms of what Oneworld offers to their passengers, I think is the worst alliance of all, because the way their FF programs work is the least competitive from the other two main alliances..... for example, if you have LAN's LANPASS, you only get full milage credit with AA, with the rest of parterns in the alliance, BA, IB, CX, etc, you only get up to 40% of the milage, plus nothing of that counts to elite status, and the same rules apply to every single FF program of the airlines of their alliance.... so you're stuck to having to fly with the airline you have the program with and perhaps another, but that certainly limits your options of getting or keeping elite status if you are a world traveler and need to use more than one or two airlines.... This is not the case with the other alliances, skyteam being the most generous in the way they FF programs work together in the alliance.... I certainly wouldn't mind seeing CX changing to Skyteam, it would give a great boost to that alliance in asia with more flights to the south pacific...
just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineFlySSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 16):
I heard some rumor that CX wouldn't mind leaving OneWorld and joining SkyTeam? Could this be true?

TG is more likely to leave the Star Alliance for Skyteam, that's why AF wants to wait before eventually getting MH into Skyteam.

TG & SQ are two big regional competitors. Having in the same Alliance is a nonsense, it's like having AF & BA or AF & LH would be in the same Alliance in Europe.


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 760 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting Atnight (Reply 20):

You couldn't be more wrong....

You can.. if you fly full-fare (logical)... like many other airlines out there

You say all FF in OW work that way... Iberia Plus doesn't work with miles or kms but with points. And those points are the ones that determine if you go to the new oneworld tier level.
-You get points with ALL IB CODED FLIGHTS even if it's not operated by a OW airline (Iberia chart)
-You get points with any other OW coded flights if the flight is operated by a OW airline (Oneworld chart)
-You get points with Swiss (to end in Jan'06), Mexicana and SN Brussels coded flights and I suppose it has to be operated by themselves, OW or IB (same chart as oneworld)
-Also you get points with Binter Canarias in Canarian Flights

These charts shows you the amount of points you'll be credited for any Origin/Destination flying on First, Business, Full-fare Coach and Discounted-fare Coach
All these points are called Puntos Aéreos Básicos (Basic air points) and if you reach a certain amount you'll pass to OW Sapphire, Emerald...

Also take a look at Flying Blue where you're not credited 100% of miles if you fly discounted, or Singapore where you get NO POINTS if a discounted-fare coach leg in involved thru your journey

Go ahead and say again the FF policy among OW airlines is the worst

[Edited 2005-12-25 19:16:44]

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
MH, for the moment is on the "waiting list".
AF would prefere another bigger and more "powerful" Asian carier, but the doors of Skyteam are not closed for MH

I really believe that MH would make of SkyTeam a much better alliance because they would add a much better (and needed) coverage of Southeast Asia and Australia. I don't know exactly which Asian carrier AF would like to bring on board, but I hope MH will join the group soon.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Quoting Aisak (Reply 22):
Go ahead and say again the FF policy among OW airlines is the worst

Thank you, I will say it again, OW is the worst between the three for the avarage passenger.... Look dude, chill, you are right that if you pay full fare, you will get 100%, but the GREAT majority of people DON'T pay full fare...

Quoting Aisak (Reply 22):
You can.. if you fly full-fare (logical)... like many other airlines out there

You are wrong, the rest have restrictions, but NOT LIKE OW, for it has the most restrictions on fares types than the rest.... if you look at IB, BA and QF fares types that are considered restricted, they pretty much cover all but FULL fare, otherwise you only get 70% with QF, 30% with IB, and 25% with BA.... (in Lan's case)... But in Skyteam and Star's case, the restricted fares are a LOT less than OW, so OF COURSE OW is the worst of the three in that area..... and just so you know, I'm a Sapphire member on OW, so don't try to tell me that I don't know anything OK? I also have Contiental and United, and they offer better FF benefits than OW when using other airlines than their owns... You probably are limited and bias to Iberia, since you're in spain, but as I mentioned before, for the majority of people, OW offers the WORST FF to keep or maintain status if they fly in more than 2 airlines worldwide...

Just so you know, who in their right mind, would fly IB UIO-MAD paying full fare, over $2500 when you can fly with LAN for $850 and get full milage credit? You get the point? Also, flying from the US to Europe, why would anyone pay over $2000 to fly BA full price fares when with AA you can fly for almost a quarter of the price if flying economy (where MOST people fly).... so my comments are QUITE valid... if you just fly business, then it makes no difference.... but not everyone flies business ok? so take your aggresive comments and compare everything well before giving me a lecture....

I dare you to reply to me showing me a chart, comparing the benefits of getting miles (and those that count to elite) between Contiental, United and Iberia's.... and then tell me which of the three offers the least competitive benefits of the alliances and the ones that have more fare types restrictions....



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25 Aisak : Really, i didn't mean to offend you in such way.... You said and i replied it's not that "same" for Iberia, member of Oneworld (because it's the one i
26 NonRevKing : Air Tahiti Nui at one time was very close to joining ST. Plans fell thru and they are no longer on the radar. I'd like to see Royal Brunei in ST oper
27 Mas777 : I agree completely. MAS 'should' have been a front-runner of Skyteam, as prior to the AF-KL debacle, MAS had (and still does have) very close ties wi
28 Cedars747 : ME is a future candidate in skyteam and SYD was an ME destination !But your door has never been a destination in Royal Brunei route map"stop dreaming
29 Post contains links and images Planemanofnz : No, CO flies to Australia *well COmicronseia* However if you are including the south pacific, as said above, AF fly to Papeete from Los Angeles. Yes
30 NonRevKing : There are no plans for ME to join ST. Some of you have been saying that for years. I have been saying they aren't for years. Who's been right? There'
31 Planemanofnz : I never said that it had a logical chance of getting into Skyteam, because I know it doesn't as it is probably too small. I just said that it wouldn'
32 Cedars747 : I am shore that ME will surprise you soon!!!Until then"hasta la vista baby" Alex!
33 FlySSC : Air Calin & Air Tahiti Nui are nothing else than "Air France bis" They were created only for Franco-French political reasons, to buy the "social peace
34 Wingedarrow : Even Alitalia in the golden times used to fly to Australia... If I'm not wrong, flight AZ798 served SYD and MEL via BKK, at first from FCO, then from
35 LCH : Personally, I have always thougt of OW as a much better balanced alliance than *A or ST. Although it only has 8 member carriers (plus Malev, JAL and R
36 2travel2know : Doesn't AF serve NOU from Paris?
37 FlySSC : Not anymore. AF traffic rights were transfered to Air Calin when it was created. AF is flying to/from NRT, and SB flies the next leg NRT-NOU, codesha
38 NonRevKing : Again, people have been saying that for years on here, and it hasn't happened. There are no plans to have MEA in SkyTeam any time in the forseeable f
39 Post contains images Jouy31 : Well, A, O and X classes are for award tickets, so it comes as no surprise that you would not earn miles . G class (as well as U class) now earns 50%
40 Post contains links FlySSC : - MEA decided not to re-open a Beirut-Sao Paulo line, according to MEA Chairman Mohammed El-Hout. "The Profitability of this liaison not proven to be
41 Bigsky123 : Hello to all A.netters! This is my first post on the forum. A reminder to all of Flying Blue-Sky team FF members: flying KE "down under" only earns mi
42 NonRevKing : Uh huh. Has an invitation been extended? No? Exactly. They aren't joining SkyTeam in the foreseeable future. B
43 CPH757 : Is it official that China Southern will (finally) join, and if so, are the joining date scheduled already?
44 Jouy31 : Unless I am mistaken, there are some fare classes on LH (S, W) and TG (S, V, W) which earn only 50% mileage on M&M, and several which are excluded fr
45 BigSky123 : Unless I am mistaken, there are some fare classes on LH (S, W) and TG (S, V, W) which earn only 50% mileage on M&M, and several which are excluded fro
46 NonRevKing : Both them and SU are official. Last I heard, they should be in by fall 2006. There will not be any new members before that, exception being SkyTeam a
47 Aisak : As of airlines entering alliances... Oneworld Malev, Royal Air Jordanian and JAL are in the path of joining as members When? When they're ready SkyTea
48 GlobeTrekker : MEA & SkyTeam: That AF wants MEA to join SkyTeam is nothing new... that's common knowledge. The problem has to do a lot with ME internally; the direct
49 L410Turbolet : I think you should look up the rules for M&M first. "i always get my full miles" is simply not true. Asiana, ANA, Air NZ, not to mention SQ have all
50 Skyteam10001 : NonRevKing do you know when the associates will be joining SkyTeam ? Are they going to join together at the same time or one by one ? From your previo
51 Aisak : Please, let me awnser.... For associates i think they will be onw more "issue". It seems associates have to ADOPT one of members' FFP instead of havi
52 Dalb777 : What is the likelyhood of DL buying the 777-200LR when they get out of BK and use it for ATL-SYD non-stop? They seem to like to do many of their inter
53 EddieDude : I really don't see that happening at all. But I agree with you that it would be great.
54 Planemanofnz : You missed out South African Airways there. I think that it would be more likely that CO(not CO mic)would start up services to Australia than DL. Is
55 Post contains images NonRevKing : Perfect. You give me new hope that there is intelligent life on this board! Hmmm, I bet you'll see a Delta jet in South Africa first! B
56 Gemuser : Somewhat less than ZERO, I would think! Yes the 777LR can do it BUT it would require ETOPS240 & MIGHT be payload limited westbound for some of the ye
57 RichardJF : I would of thought DL could just keep adding ports in Europe to their ATL hub and possibly even Africa.
58 AerorobNZ : the Skyteam round the world ticket is cheaper than Star and you get 6000 extra miles to use for $100 less. That would seem a pretty good way of gainin
59 Planemanofnz : Yes, but NZ's pacific network for me personally, would make the Star Alliance rtw ticket more attractive than Skyteams. I know that people have alrea
60 Phollingsworth : Even if you flew directly over HNL, the route is only 8300 nm. This puts you well inside of 180 min ETOPS, Even an overflight of LAX which is 8200 nm
61 AerorobNZ : I'm not fussed by the pacific, it's the network through Africa, South America & Europe that I care about. That said I would probably go Star because
62 Post contains images Jetboy319 : Just my own little pipe-dream, but I'd like to see a SkyTeam flight from PDX-SYD. Seems like a fair launching point that if could rely on connections
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