IKAR From Lebanon, joined Sep 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5090 times:
Could you please answer the following questions based on your opinion:
As Saudi Arabia gets closer to accession into the WTO, what will be the impact on aviation within the kingdom and more specially,
what will be the impact on Saudi Arabian Airlines?
Will this impact be big?
Will the aviation market within the kingdom significantly change and how?
Will SV be negatively influenced or will it gain from WTO ruling?
As well, what will be the impact of privatization for Saudi Arabian Airlines?
EurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
The crucial WTO accomplishment in Saudi Arabia is the liberalization of the domestic airline industry and this has resulted already in 1 privately owned airline (Khayala) and another one on the way, which will be the Kingdom's first low-cost carrier (announced in the Dubai Air Show).
There is no doubt in my mind that the next few years will witness a boom in domestic airline travel, and in turn, thousands of new jobs will be created for the unemployed.
Certainly more competition, but why is that bad? It's about time they get their house in order, to provide a minimum level of passenger comfort and convenience. Their flights are absolutely ALWAYS full and no one seems to know why no additional flights are operated. Customer service on the ground?? FORGET IT, logic is defied here with SV employees themselves expecting service from customers!!
Quoting IKAR (Thread starter): Will the aviation market within the kingdom significantly change and how?
Definitely. Travelers will have more choice and value for money. Competition will enhance service levels and passenger expectations will grow.
Quoting IKAR (Thread starter): Will SV be negatively influenced or will it gain from WTO ruling?
I think the immediate effect is negative but on the long run, the new operating conditions will only provide a wake-up call to SV.
Quoting IKAR (Thread starter): As well, what will be the impact of privatization for Saudi Arabian Airlines
I don't think there is considerable negative impact. There is an abundance of capital in Saudi Arabia and the booming gulf in general and people are always crazed-hungry for new Public Offerings and public listings, so I don't think it will be a problem on a domestic level. I'm not so sure about a foreign strategic investor, it may be possible now with the WTO accession but I expect a foreign ownership cap.
Qutaiba From Kuwait, joined Dec 2005, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5011 times:
I believe it was mentioned in the news that KSA has been accepted with a full membership in the WTO, and some of what I know (and may be wrong now) is that
2.Depends on the pace with which KSA applies WTO regulations on SOE’s. May be SV is high on the list, but you’ve got to keep in mind that SV is a very significant SOE and keeping a viable flag carrier is probably essential in the mind of KSA policy makers.
3.I would think not if (1) is applied, unless KSA also conforms to the open skies aspects of the WTO.
4.I read somewhere, and quite a while ago, that a group of Saudi Business men has approached the government on buying all the older SV fleet if they are allowed full domestic operations, which is understandably something SV would not readily give up.
5.That’s a tough one to answer, if you’d consider that airlines operate as part of the overall commerce.
6.I also remember, the Saudi Airline privatization study/plan was made by KPMG, and last I know of is that they recommended SV privatization while maintaining monopoly status.
HiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
WTO accession shouldn't affect SV directly. Saudi Arabia hasn't signed up to any open skies agreement as far as I know, nor was aviation an issue in the bilateral trade agreements with the top trading partners. The only thing that would have an effect, is the change in immigration policy (it will become easier to get a visa to Saudi Arabia, in some cases you will be able to get it from the airport).
Not that this isn't a period of change for SV . The government is commited to privatisation and economic liberalisation, and will not wait forever for Saudia to get their house in order.
Malaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4755 times:
I have flown as a transit pax via JED and RUH between IAD and BKK/MNL often, but didnt need a visa, cause it was under 12 hours. if its under 12 hours, you dont need transit visa usually, but the catch is most SV flights have bad transit times, so most would end up needing the visa and honesty with EK, they dont make people layover in DXB for 12 hours.
if SV had more reliable connection banks, they could easily take on more transit pax without a transit visa, especially if they flew via RUH, a much better transit place than that umm BLACK BOX in JED. Such a sad place for transit.
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SV777KiloAlpha From Saudi Arabia, joined Dec 2003, 269 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4588 times:
I don't believe so. When LCCs start in Saudi Arabia, they will use the same airports used by SV. I don't think there will be any restrictions on them by the Civil Aviation Authority to use specific airports.
In the US and Europe, many cities have more than one major airport, so LCCs can pick the most economical for it to use.