DLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6263 times:
How many mexican cities do they serve from LAX? I'd think if they really want to make LAX work for them again they're gonna need to have alot of Mexico before they start thinking about Intra- US flying from there.
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4625 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6252 times:
A news story I had seen stated F9 would look at a market smaller than that of LAX. My guess would be one of the cities where they have applied for CUN service. BNA possibly? Smack in the middle of the eastern half of the country much like Denver is in the western half. Decent market that isn't heavily overserved. F9 could set up a focus city there.
DLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6180 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 16): There's a whole stack of other rumors, but I don't expect anything much of an announcement from Frontier until the new head of operations starts work in January.
"So uhh guys you know all those shiny new A319's we just got? Yeah, they're on their way out, we found it'd be cheaper to get some used DC-9's. We're just waiting for another operator to get rid of them but I gotta be honest, it'll be awile.
In the meantime, keep flying the 'busses, but they'll be just a stopgap..."
BNA is actually in prime position, little less than DIA from the west coast is to the east coast. Lotta WN though.
Nosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 6079 times:
Top destinations from BNA-PAX per city pair(per day), airlines serving route nonstop:
Chicago, IL- 1,240- AA, UA, WN
Baltimore, MD- 785- WN New York, NY- 711 AA, CO (didn't distinguish b/w NYC and EWR...)
Detroit, MI- 685 NW, WN Philadelphia, PA- 465- US
Orlando/Kissimmee, FL- 547- WN
Los Angeles, CA- 544-AA, WN
Houston, TX- 513- CO, WN
Tampa/St. Petersburg/Lakeland, FL- 497-WN Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX- 444- AA
Raleigh/Durham, NC- 440-WN
Cleveland, OH- 432-WN
Las Vegas, NV- 425- WN
New Orleans, LA- 400- WN
Kansas City, MO- 396- WN
Ft. Lauderdale, FL- 380- WN
Seattle, WA- 347- WN
Denver, CO- 336- F9, UA
Phoenix, AZ- 301- WN
My picks for a small BNA focus city are in bold. And since F9 loves their animal commercials, it wouldn't be too hard to advertise with "Smokey"
...Uni of Tenn's mascot; yes I know UT is in Knoxville, but who advertises with Vanderbilt?
DL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6051 times:
Quoting Nosedive (Reply 22): ...Uni of Tenn's mascot; yes I know UT is in Knoxville, but who advertises with Vanderbilt?
Sounds like someone missed the UT-Vandy game this year
I've never looked at faremeasure.com, but I don't see how those numbers could be accurate. For example, the last city on the list is Phoenix, with just 301 average daily passengers, but ATL isn't on the list. DL operates 5X daily MD-88s, configured for 146 seats, on BNA-ATL, not counting 2x CR7s by EV. With 730 mainline seats/day, those flights would have to have less than 41% load factor to move <300 people/day, but every time I flew that route the planes were full (and they were using 752s). I'd guess there are other legacy hubs (maybe MSP or IAD?) that must get more than 300 pax/day from BNA.
Antoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1979 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6045 times:
I've been lurking for awhile, just registered, this will be my first post.
Much as I would love to see a Frontier Focus City in BNA (Where I currently reside) the problem is space at the airport.
There is counter space available, but to expand by more than 1 gate (And they only have 1 right now) Frontier would have to move to the C concourse, opposite end of the airport from the available counter space. There are also no empty baggage claim offices, and Frontier and Independence both currently run baggage claim at their ticket counters.
Make something Idiot-proof, and the Universe will make a more inept idiot.
: It's looking at O/D, orgin-destination, traffic numbers. Just because DL has 5 MD-88s on the BNA-ATL route does not mean all those passengers are onl
: Faremeasure is an inaccurate source for actual revenue boardings and is not used in analysis of actual city traffic. Sources available from the DOT ar
: Why be scared of them? If they come into your home then you are obviously allowed to enter and trash theirs
: Still think Frontier should add service from DEN to MHT and PVD. Take advantage of lower fees at MHT and PVD while taking advantage of the people who
: Vandy has to win at least one in 100 games right? Are they still giving Vandy tickets to those that are caught speeding in BNA?
: Maybe to the WN and UA Ex pilots that never slow down when they get groundside. (Never seen an RJ move as fast as the UA Express ones in BNA.) Of cou
: For Frontier to thrive in my opinion it must shift away from a Denver centric operation. Not only are there physical limits on how much its future Den
: LAX/SJD would be that, if they get it. IND/CUN, which starts in March, would also be that. LAX/PHL and LAX/STL would have stayed but for the rocketin
: I saw two part time CS positions advertised for BNA recently on the F9 website. Maybe something, maybe nothing.
: Misexecuted is a strong word to use for F9's foray at a LAX focus city. Blindsided might be more accurate. The expansion into LAX was planned and ann
: The BNA station has a fairly high turnover rate from what I've observed. All the people there are either brand new or been with the company since nea
: Please NO BNA! Why go into Southwest territory? For that matter, AA still has a large FF base there too. I don't think the market is large enough to o
: Talk about not going into WN territory.... AUS is a major WN station. N
: I think F9 would be perfect if it creates and agreement with B6, routes, planes and ops would match very well! Airbrasil
: I know AUS is a major WN station, but they're currently not offering service to the markets noted. I'm not saying run from Southwest. BNA, I don't bel
: I would bet my life savings that the high turnover rate is due to the management at BNA. Let's just say that some of the mgmt there left/leaves a lot
: I believe the failure of the LAX focus city had more to do with the inability to predict the very strong response of competing airlines in the city pa
: It is true that NWA went nuclear over LAX/MSP - they beefed up MSP/DEN and added, as you say, DEN/LAX. However, I could be wrong, but I don't remembe
: Notice people would not. Illlegal it would be. Disguising fees dishonorable it be. JetYoda319!
: Its not illegal to include the price of a service you provide in your fares... arguably, that's the place to do it. N
: Tis' illegal not to mention it though, and simply add it in. The customer must have right of refusal.
: I'm not actually sure that's true. Arguably, full service carriers factor in the costs of food into their fares, and I am sure that jetBlue factors th
: Were you by any chance in a training class in DEN around late June this summer? Curious since I was and washed out for being late too many times and
: You wouldn't see any leakage at all from SAT using AUS. It's too far with too much traffic. SAT is well served to most of the cities you listed. I wo
: Ultimately, PHL didn't work. BNA has the tour operator contract to help fill the BNA/CUN seats. CAK and DAY are not point to point and thus have the
: You wouldn't see any leakage at all from SAT using AUS. It's too far with too much traffic. That may be true now that United Express is setting up sho
: Frontier still flies to PHL, so I think it is more truthful to say that LAX didn't work. Which we know. And with DEN/BNA? Which, I remember, went ver
: I would think the STL route is doing well. They are adding a fourth flight in March. Anyone else see any route increases/decreases from Frontier in o
: M; I'm referring to F9's marketing in the out stations for non-DEN point to point flying. The marketing in DEN has been so well done that the DEN/XXX
: No, not really. It's just so hard NOT to notice people wearing that obnoxious orange.
: You know, I think I was attending a recurrent GSC class in DEN in June, but so much stuff has happened since then, I can barely remember. We did have