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WN's Performance At PIT  
User currently offlineRolo987 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 293 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

How has WN been doing at PIT for the past 8 months?

70 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

The service increases speak for themselves.

User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4007 times:

Southwest Airlines' Percentage of (PIT) Market (2005)

Month Passengers % of Total
May 57,260 6.0 %
June 67,104 6.6 %
July 69,983 6.9 %
Aug 65,985 7.1 %
Sept 59,767 7.4 %

The % changes appear representative since the only Decrease at PIT during this period was Delta - a decrease of 1% of the total airport share.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

It appears that WN is doing well in PIT. They will be adding a seventh daily flight PIT-PHL on Feb 6, 2006. I hope they continue to add service.


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3656 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 3):
They will be adding a seventh daily flight PIT-PHL on Feb 6, 2006.

Haha. I love it... all the opportunities at PIT, and they add more of the most saturated route in town. I wonder if a petition to the FAA about making PHL a Slots airport would work. Not just for WN, but US too (even though they haven't added anywhere near as many flights proportionally.) Anyone with me here?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3649 times:
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Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 4):
Haha. I love it... all the opportunities at PIT, and they add more of the most saturated route in town. I wonder if a petition to the FAA about making PHL a Slots airport would work. Not just for WN, but US too (even though they haven't added anywhere near as many flights proportionally.) Anyone with me here?

I think it's obvious WN sees an opportunity on PIT-PHL. I don't see how this is the most saturated route when there is plenty of demand.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3635 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 5):

I think it's obvious WN sees an opportunity on PIT-PHL. I don't see how this is the most saturated route when there is plenty of demand.

Yeah, the opportunity of throwing daggers at US, obviously. When they've got 737's crossing the Allegheny Range so often that there's permanent cirrus shield at 20,000 ft I think it's a sign of a saturated market. It would be different if PHL had all the room in the world for half-empty planes to come floating in, but that place is beyond the melting point. They put slots in at LGA and DCA years ago... and then made time restrictions at ORD as well... it's time for PHL to become the same to eliminate this kind of fluff. Unless someone can show me this route is running at an 85% LF or something, which would be shocking for either airline (though maybe US does, as they continue to right-size it with smaller and smaller planes as WN slams the yields) All the "hubs" in the WN network for PIT to get service to (BWI, BNA, etc) and instead we just get more to PHL. How about some PVD/MHT... PIT-BOS is a pretty big route.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

I agree with Tornado82. With US running 11 dailies PIT-PHL and Southwest adding a seventh, this brings the total to 18! I can't beleive the LF is close to 85% on every flight. Slots would def. help. Southwest could have at least added another westward flight instead of PHL.


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Would you like for me to look into my old OAG's and tell you how many trips a day Allegheny/USAir had between those two cities in the 70's and early 80's?
Now add some TWA and toss in a UA or two and W O W..

safe



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6476 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

WN rarely runs 85% LF's in any of their system. There is a lot of demand between PHL and PIT which had been suppressed by years of high fares. WN's lower fares were bound to cause a surge in demand.

As for congestion at PHL, you can hardly blame WN. They have about 50-60 flights spaced out over the entire day....barely a drop in the bucket. PHL was a congested mess long before WN arrived....largely due to the USAirways hub and PHL's inherently poor design.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

Yeah, I don't blame WN for the mess in PHL.


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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

What do you guys think the next WN city will be from PIT. I hope/think that it will be at least one of these:

LAX
FLL
PVD
BNA
RDU
SEA
SLC

Let me know what you think...



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User currently onlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1226 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

I would like to see BWI followed by PVD and BNA. I wont connect through PHL on anyone for any reason but to suddenly have cheap air access after all the years of tortuous drives across the mountains Im not surprised at the pent up demand on PIT-PHL.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4481 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Remember overcapacity problems are never the fault of Southwest, at least according to thier managements it is everyone else's fault.  Smile


Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 12):
I wont connect through PHL on anyone for any reason but to suddenly have cheap air access after all the years of tortuous drives across the mountains Im not surprised at the pent up demand on PIT-PHL.

I happen to like that drive, unless it's snowing. Very relaxing drive. But then again, I take 81 down to 70/68 through Maryland when I do it.

The thing with PIT-PHL, if you're not going to the immediate airport areas themselves, as I said, it's oftentimes quicker to drive it when you account for delays and stuff at PHL and all that TSA/parking kind of crap as well. Not to mention PIT is about 1/2 hr (with Ft. Pitt Tunnel/Greentree Hill traffic) away from center-city.

I did once buy a refundable PIT-PHL ticket because of a said snowstorm, then just got my refund when our plow crews had plowed the 9" of snow within a few hours. I wasn't even going to my homeland of Uniontown (1hr 15 from PIT) that weekend and it was still quicker to drive than the flight would have been... but part of that can be held by the fact that I live in the Lehigh Valley as well.

The point is, as most people who do NOT live in PIT/PHL don't realize... it's just quicker to drive, and when the snowflakes aren't flying, less of a hassle as well now that the turnpike construction is relatively finished, and if not there's always glorious I-68. It's always the people from a place like California, Florida, or Iowa, who've probably never made the drive, who are the one's acting like every resident of Pittsburgh and Philly should perform "favors" for WN because they gave us freedom to move away from the turnpike... while many of those of us who do that drive regularly, just don't see it being all its cracked up to be. There's no way to look at the WN terminal at PHL as being a conveninent place to fly out of. Sorry, that's just a fact of life. It's not bashing WN nor PHL, it's just an inconvenient place to fly from. I've been there on Northwest, and that sucks as well, but at least I had assigned seats and on a CRJ440 where the entire boarding process took about 5 minutes.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 13):
Remember overcapacity problems are never the fault of Southwest, at least according to thier managements it is everyone else's fault. Smile

And their never-faltering Praetorian Guard.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 911 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 13):
Remember overcapacity problems are never the fault of Southwest, at least according to thier managements it is everyone else's fault

WN has the most conservative growth of any LCC in the industry. They aren't an unproven carrier ordering aircraft by the hundreds and throwing them on routes yet unopened.

Yes... it's all WN's fault.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6572 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6):
Unless someone can show me this route is running at an 85% LF or something, which would be shocking for either airline (though maybe US does, as they continue to right-size it with smaller and smaller planes as WN slams the yields)

Southwest very rarely runs any route with an 85% load factor; they generally start adding flights, if possible, when they're getting load factors above about 70% in a market. The US Airways modus operandi has been (in the past decade or so) to reduce capacity and raise fares when they're running high load factors -- or as you would call it, "right-sizing" the route. Actually, using smaller planes is the least effective way to compete with Southwest, since these will typically have higher costs.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6):
Yeah, the opportunity of throwing daggers at US, obviously. When they've got 737's crossing the Allegheny Range so often that there's permanent cirrus shield at 20,000 ft I think it's a sign of a saturated market. It would be different if PHL had all the room in the world for half-empty planes to come floating in, but that place is beyond the melting point.

The mere presence of Southwest in the PIT-PHL market keeps US Airways' fares under control, whether you're talking about five dailies or twenty. The fact is that Southwest probably wouldn't be adding service so quickly if they weren't filling the planes! They've reduced PHL-BDL service from five to three dailies because of lack of demand (and facilities constraints at PHL).

Moreover, the real issue at PHL isn't half-empty planes; it is the scads of regional aircraft which take up just as much airspace and runway as mainline aircraft two, three or four times their size! US's PHL operation is now over 2/3 RJ and prop. Two Midatlantic E170's carry virtually the same number of passengers (OK, 3 more) from PHL to PIT as a single Southwest 737. Six years ago, US's PHL operations were nearly 2/3 mainline. They're able to carry fewer passengers today but use about 20% more flights (469 vs. 389).

I'd say the fact that Southwest has nearly doubled service in eight months speaks for itself. I'd say it's probably telling that Southwest has increased capacity between PIT & Chicago to about 800 daily seats each way while US Airways is offering about 440 daily seats.

Quoting Flaps (Reply 12):
I would like to see BWI followed by PVD and BNA.

I'm still astonished they haven't added PIT-BWI. I'd think that route would be a slam dunk for at least 5-7 dailies.


User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4466 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Market "saturation" is determined by one thing: demand met. If there is demand for more service on PIT-PHL due to Southwest's low fares, then more power to WN in providing more service. Too bad for US who surpressed demand, as FlyPNS1 noted, for years with higher fares.

The opinions of one A.net enthusiast who likes driving the route, and who is bitter that WN didn't come into his home ABE, aren't particularly relevant. (talk about a vocal anti-WN Praetorian Guard.   ) More power to WN in providing more low fares to two big East Coast markets which long had low O & D due to US Airways' artificially high hub-market fares.

Scott--I too am surprised that WN hasn't started PIT-BWI yet. The DC-Balto area to Pittsburgh is a nasty drive and I'd bet there'd be lots of market for WN. Apparently IAD-PIT has been one of Independence's better-performing markets, which shouldn't surprise anyone.

Jim

[Edited 2005-12-28 20:51:38]

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4466 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

If JetBlue does enter PIT, I wouldn't be surprised to see 2-3 daily EMB-190's on PIT-IAD after Independence's likely demise. They could probably coexist with WN flying 3-5 dailies on PIT-BWI.

Jim

[Edited 2005-12-28 20:55:02]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26194 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 4):
I wonder if a petition to the FAA about making PHL a Slots airport would work.

No, it wouldn't, because the FAA is very reluctant to do so unless there is a true need. PHL may get crowded at times, but it nothing like what LGA or National would be like if they were unchecked

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 13):
Remember overcapacity problems are never the fault of Southwest, at least according to thier managements it is everyone else's fault.

Um, lets see, WN has 60 flights per day at PHL and they are the ones to blame? They don't have even 250 flights per day at any airport. Did you think before you made this statement?



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 17):
I'd say it's probably telling that Southwest has increased capacity between PIT & Chicago to about 800 daily seats each way while US Airways is offering about 440 daily seats.

I'd say that you're forgetting that US can't add flights to ORD because of the de facto slot controls now in place there, and that US had to cut a few (2, IIRC) of its PIT-ORD flights to be able to start DCA-ORD.



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User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 21):
I'd say that you're forgetting that US can't add flights to ORD because of the de facto slot controls now in place there, and that US had to cut a few (2, IIRC) of its PIT-ORD flights to be able to start DCA-ORD.

Well, why don't they serve Midway? I think adding DCA-ORD was a good move but that if the PIT demand was there and they dropped it then I hope WN does get the overflow. I was spotting at PIT today and a UAX CR7 came in? Is United dropping PIT capacity too or are they adding express flights to compliment the B733s and the Avros, or is WN taking pax from them as well?

[Edited 2005-12-28 21:35:38]

[Edited 2005-12-28 21:36:24]


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 18):
The opinions of one A.net enthusiast who likes driving the route, and who is bitter that WN didn't come into his home ABE, aren't particularly relevant. (talk about a vocal anti-WN Praetorian Guard. )

For the 9 millionth time, I moved to Allentown just 9 months ago. LONG after WN went to PHL. I wouldn't live in PHL to save my life, and will be out of Allentown, God-willing, within 2 years... moving to another WN stronghold, MHT, where I still won't fly them. But yes, I'm oh so bitter that they won't be taxiing their 737's at 30kt while I'm taking my lessons at ABE this spring in a little Cessna. Even though I lived in VPZ... which is by far MDW's market over ORD's for 3 years and never once flew Southwest, I think that shows how much of a damn I gave about them coming to my city then, or now. If they came to ABE, they still wouldn't do me a bit of good, because my most-travelled route is to IND, and they'd never in a million years run direct anything to IND... and I ain't going to Chicago to get to Indianapolis, period. And even when I do go down to Philly which happens occassionally to take a flight, it's NOT on Southwest. There's no way in hell I'd fly an airline that wouldn't even allow to interline me to another airline in the event my flight gets cancelled or connections get blown. I've had one too many blown connections in my day to do that. The same reason I'm going to Myrtle Beach this summer via Delta, and not Hooters, despite living in Allentown which is now suddenly Hooters country.

Once again for you non-believers who've most likely never gone between Pittsburgh and Philly...

Let's run a Tale of the Tape:
PIT to PHL, flying:

Center City to PIT: 30 minutes
Parking lot, find a space, to terminal/ticketing: 15 minutes
TSA recommendation: 90 minutes
Boarding time: 10 minutes
Taxi at PIT: 10 minutes
Flight time (air): 45 minutes
Taxi in/Deboarding@ PHL: 20 minutes
Navigate through PHL on foot: 15 minutes
Baggage claim: 20 minutes *optional
Economy parking: 30 minutes *optional
Drive to center city: 15 minutes without traffic
Total: 4hr 10min, to 5hr... UNLESS PHL IS ON A DELAY PROGRAM, which happens every time the weather goes IFR.

PHL-PIT, flying:

Drive from center city: 15 minutes without traffic
Getting into terminal/ticketing: 15 minutes
Economy parking: extra 30 minutes *optional, but if you're this hellbent to save a dime on WN...
TSA recommendation: 90 minutes (and considering the lines at the WN terminal at peak times, you need it)
Boarding time: 10 minutes
Taxi time at PHL: 45 minutes (That's what the airlines are scheduling now, at times they give a whole hour)
Flight time (air): 50 minutes (westbound, winds)
Taxi-in/deboarding at PIT: 15 min
Navigate through PIT to groundside terminal: 10 min
Baggage claim: 10 minutes *optional
Parking: 10 minutes
Drive to Center City: 30 minutes
TOTAL: 4hr 50 min to 5hr 30 min... once again... this is under the assumption of no Delays at PHL.

Driving, either direction:

Mapquest says: Center city to Center city: 5hr 4min. And we all know Mapquest overestimates time, unless you drive like AA taxis their planes. From Allentown, which is farther north, to Uniontown, which is farther south, I've never taken longer than 5 hours, even in snow... and it can be done in barely over 4 hr.

Still non-believers that it's quicker to drive? The Pennsylvania Turnpike nor I-68 have regular 3 hour ground delay programs because of a thunderstorm or drizzle. Sure they might slow down a bit, but like I said, even in a moderate snow, 5 hours max. PA, and especially the turnpike, are VERY efficient at snow removal from highways.

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 18):
The DC-Balto area to Pittsburgh is a nasty drive and I'd bet there'd be lots of market for WN.

Yep, as soon as you get past HGR that drive goes from simple to horrible. I can't see why WN hasn't run BWI flights from PIT. Now with FlyI dying in a month, they'd be fools not to. Unless they want Airtran to beat them to the punch, with a better product (IFE, assigned seating, 717's have 2x3 seating).


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Oh (A330323X) is PIT-PWM seasonal or did US drop the route in Sept.

Thanks...



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
25 Jdwfloyd : PWM is still schd to return this spring out of PIT along with a bunch of other droped routes that I can't name right now.
26 A330323X : US has served MDW on and off in the past. It hasn't worked for two reasons. One, MDW gets lower yields than ORD. Two, it's very inefficient to split
27 CentPIT : A330323X-- Do you know the other routes that he has mentioned? Thank you for your information as well it is greatly appreciated.
28 A330323X : If he's just referring to the other seasonal routes in addition to PWM, they're SAV and MYR, both on weekends only. If he's referring to US bringing
29 CASInterest : Tornado? What the heck are you trying to prove? Hell I could prove that it is better to drive EWR/JFK/LGA to BOS than to fly it. Yet there are tons o
30 ScottB : That's all fine and good, except that US is running 1-2 dailies on the E170 on the route along with 733's and 734's. Granted, they are also limited o
31 CentPIT : I wonder if MYR will get week day service now that Hooters Air flys the route/will again fly the route.
32 A330323X : There's also another, less obvious reason why ORD gets the B737s and not the A320-series or the B757. It's a line maintenance station for US that per
33 A330323X : I would not think so. US doesn't even run a daily PHL-MYR or DCA-MYR any more. The small RJs just aren't economical when US can run mainline on CLT-M
34 CentPIT : US also has reduced SFO to certain days of the week as you said they would, do you think that it will ever return to two daily or do you think it will
35 PHLJJS : TOTAL: 4hr 50 min to 5hr 30 min... once again... this is under the assumption of no Delays at PHL. While driving may get me there at the same time or
36 Pitflyer : In addition, there are plenty of people on the west or north side of Pittsburgh that are reasonably close to the airport, and also going to the same a
37 Cubsrule : That doesn't show anything besides that WN offers a lot of connecting opportunities at MDW which are unavailable or impractical elsewhere, while US o
38 ScottB : Well, except that US codeshares on many United flights out of ORD (while not being permitted to codeshare on PIT-ORD) and still schedules PIT like a
39 Cubsrule : My point is that both the codeshare and the reduction in connecting opportunities at PIT have reduced the importance of US flights ORD-PIT. It has no
40 SJCRRPAX : Must be an east coast thing, out here where the weathers fine and the Palm tree's grow, and the feeling is layback --- oops thats a Gordon Lightfoot
41 Vegasplanes : Agree with you up until "United Bought Reno Air", AA bought Reno Air, Air Cal version 2.0 Even HP does not have the presence WN has out here in the l
42 N200WN : I think what surprises me the most is that this is an airline/aviation enthusiast's web site and there are people here that will complain or have nega
43 Wedgetail737 : I would love to see WN fly PIT-OAK or PIT-SEA. But that's wishful thinking. I've been very glad that WN has been filling a lot of the void of the lega
44 RwSEA : I doubt you'll see PIT-SEA, since WN has stated they won't add additional service at SEA since they can't fly to BFI instead. Oh well, I'm over it.
45 Vegasplanes : PIT to PVD, BWI, MHT, ISP, BDL, HOU, STL, BNA, JAX, FLL, RSW, LAX, OAK, SAN. Those are my picks for new routes out of PIT, some more business destinat
46 PHLBOS : I wonder if FL (which still has a presence at PIT) is now kicking themselves for not continuing their PIT-PHL route several years ago? BTW, for the m
47 Tornado82 : Yep, just like how Southwest had those newspaper ads showing Gas + tolls = More than their tickets. Just try to find one of those rock-bottom fare le
48 ScottB : How about trying to find a fare under $200 each way on PIT-PHL (or a comparable route) before Southwest entered the market? Case in point: US's lowes
49 Tornado82 : Edit: Misread post, deleted.[Edited 2005-12-29 20:32:24]
50 A330323X : Again, I fly PIT-PHL and back once or twice a month, and did so before WN entered the market. My fares were generally in the ~$250 range, roundtrip,
51 Post contains images Tornado82 : You're alot more privledged than most college students were then. Besides, what about the old classic, the college road trip? Loud rock music, a hang
52 A330323X : Well, it was an emergency when I payed the $700, I had to make the trip on no notice, I certainly do not have that sort of money to be blowing and do
53 Soccer11 : Load factors for a typical week on WN are very healthy for that route. I'm not sure of the US LF, but I'll bet there is still alot of opportunity for
54 Flaps : Now that I think about it, ISP just might be high up on the list. There is a lot of travel between PIT and the New York area. There is competition the
55 CentPIT : Yes, ISP is def. a strong possibility. I hope it ISP does recieve PIT service. Does WN connect anyone through PIT. I know that PHL-PIT-MDW is an optio
56 Apodino : USAirways isn't an airline of any consequence? Phoenix is certainly out west, and US is one of the bigger carriers now with the merger.
57 SJCRRPAX : From their website: US Airways Group, Inc. was formed September 27, 2005 as a Delaware Corporation. So, It looks like to me its an east coast carrier
58 A330323X : You'll find that most airlines (most large companies, for that matter) are technically Delaware corporations. It has to do with Delaware having very
59 N1120A : Sorry, but AA bought Reno Air, and more for their SJC and LAX operations than their Reno one. Actually, they are really easy to find. Anytime I have
60 Post contains links FATFlyer : A few other "east coast" companies operating in the west if you think the Delaware incorporation means anything. As the others said its a legal benef
61 A330323X : Yes, I know. I was referring to US's matching fare, which, as I said, is changeable but nonrefundable.
62 Post contains links SJCRRPAX : Thanks, I realized right after I posted that Delaware was not correct. But, all the old press releases came out of the Corporate office in Arlington,
63 N1120A : By changeable, do you mean after paying a fee or for free, like WN allows on even the cheapest fares (even issuing refunds if the new fare is cheaper
64 Flaps : I dont know that they connect anyone through PIT. Most of the PHL-PIT flights continue onward to PHX, LAS, or MDW. There might be a few connecting opp
65 Post contains images A330323X : Well that's because the company was headquartered in Arlington until September 27. Now it's headquartered in Tempe. I think it's been proven otherwis
66 Tornado82 : That $196 US fare is refundable as well. I already had my credit card refunded for one just last week.
67 Pitflyer : As per connecting on WN in PIT, I flew PIT-LAS on WN and at least 30 people were on the plane as through passengers -- most just from the inbound PHL
68 Post contains images A330323X : Yes, you're right, it's the $186 fare that's nonrefundable but changeable. But that brings up a bigger question: Why did you buy a PIT-PHL ticket if
69 Usairways85 : If i am not mistaken can't you cancel any WN ticket and at least get points towards another ticket. So if you have to cancel one flight you can use th
70 Tornado82 : Observe: Had Steelers tickets, was stuck in Allentown with a snowstorm on the way. Come hell or high water, I was attending that game. The plane tick
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