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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13971 times:

NBC is reporting that a frontier airbus is circling above burbank burning off fuel...anyone else hear of this???


bus driver.......move that bus:)
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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13914 times:

correction...it is circling above john wayne....


bus driver.......move that bus:)
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13907 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Thread starter):
NBC is reporting that a frontier airbus is circling above burbank burning off fuel...anyone else hear of this???

Don't you mean dumping fuel????  sarcastic 


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13871 times:

dont think you can dump fuel on a bus can you????


bus driver.......move that bus:)
User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13835 times:

didn't jetblue dump fuel a few months back when they had problems with their nose gear?


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User currently offlineGrantcv From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13834 times:

Surely you can dump fuel - isn't that a standard procedure to get to landing weight in an emergency?

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13832 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 2):

Don't you mean dumping fuel???? sarcastic



Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 3):
dont think you can dump fuel on a bus can you????

Don't believe so, at least not on the 319.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13810 times:

Its Frontier 263 SNA-DEN A318


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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13796 times:

f9 263 sna-den a318.....

jetblue did laps around L.A. for what seemed like forever...iirc someone posting on that subject that said the bus can not dump, have to burn it off.



bus driver.......move that bus:)
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13764 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 2):
Don't you mean dumping fuel????

No.  Yeah sure

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 3):
dont think you can dump fuel on a bus can you????

Not the 319, or 320 as far as I've heard.

Quoting Grantcv (Reply 5):
Surely you can dump fuel - isn't that a standard procedure to get to landing weight in an emergency?

Only if the aircraft can dump fuel, which the A32X family cannot I don't believe.

Quoting KKMolokai (Reply 4):
didn't jetblue dump fuel a few months back when they had problems with their nose gear?

No, it circled for several hours burning off fuel before attempting a successful emergancy landing at LAX.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13755 times:

Quoting Grantcv (Reply 5):
Surely you can dump fuel - isn't that a standard procedure to get to landing weight in an emergency?

Most aircraft don't have fuel dump systems-- the Airbus A30 and 737s don't.

...and don't call me Shirley...  Wink


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13744 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 6):
Don't believe so, at least not on the 319.

I was being sarcastic... I'm sure the news reporters will not be.


User currently offlineWerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13723 times:

http://www.nbc4.tv/travelgetaways/5678260/detail.html

User currently offlineAzstar From United States of America, joined May 2005, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13705 times:

Looks like the flight landed at 11:19 this morning.

User currently offlineHR001 From Honduras, joined Nov 2004, 303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13691 times:

SNA AIRPORT MONITOR http://www4.passur.com/sna.html

User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13674 times:

"Cargo plane with open cargo door to make emergency landing. Details soon"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/

haha



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13651 times:

 Smile I got it, this is a new PR tactic. After B6 and YX saw a jump in calls to the reservations lines after their landings F9 figured it could get some positive PR if it did the same....lol  Smile

(and in case anyone doesn't get it, I'm kidding around, just to ward off any overzealous F9 defenders ready to go on me)


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13617 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 2):
Don't you mean dumping fuel????

They're actually dumping luggage.  Wink

Mark


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13590 times:

The JetBlue plane dumped fuel by flying the 40 mile ovals for 3 1/2 hours.
 sarcastic 
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13564 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 18):
The JetBlue plane dumped fuel by flying the 40 mile ovals for 3 1/2 hours.

BURNED OFF fuel. Our A320 is not able to dump fuel.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13494 times:

They're going to land at LAX. More equipment there.

Mark


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13417 times:

Hey MICoraz-whateveryournameis?
Weren't you taught a little sarcasm?
Try it, It might make ya grin once in a while.
safe  yes 



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

So not only do we have to deal with the ignorate media, even our own members that complain about the media messing up aviation crap mess it up...nice  Wink

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13327 times:

Around and around they go...


I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineGreenguy01 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13294 times:

So can anyone say "overkill" with the media and the airplane emergencies?

I had a feeling that the media would be all over any aircraft returning after the jetblue incident. Maybe after this one they will realize that these returns happen on a daily basis for one reason or another and that they dont need to report every emergency.



Never argue with an idiot. They drag you to their level and beat you with experience.
25 Smokeyrosco : ok i have a serious question, how did it take odd with a cargo door open?
26 AsstChiefMark : Flight Explorer doesn't even show it. WTF?? Mark
27 474218 : Still in the air 1530 hours (3:30 PM EST). Cargo door unsafe light.
28 S12PPL : CNN just announced the plane will land in 10 min. at LAX
29 Post contains images KPDX : Hahah! The newslady was told by the F9 spokesperson that "Let me stress again this is not an emergancy landing. We are simply burning off fuel to get
30 Post contains images Diamond : Geez, now I have to be looking over my shoulder for Samsonites and TravelPros falling out of the sky?
31 Post contains images San2snow76 : A spokesman for Frontier Airlines said that they have confirmation the door is not open but there is an indication that the door is open so they are l
32 S12PPL : I hate CNN...I hate all TV aviation analists... "The reason they're circling off of Catalina island, is to burn off fuel...They had a lot of fuel in t
33 NonRevKing : Hahaha an indicator light is making the news now? With all the shit that's going on in the world? Damn, I deal with about 5 of these a day...This is N
34 DIA : All the way to Denver?! Wow, that is one loooong flight. Media's great...they make me smile.
35 S12PPL : CNN: "Why are they going to LAX?" "Well, I think it's obvious. LAX has has better emergancy services...and John Wayne only has one runway, where LAX h
36 Smokeyrosco : wow 5 a day? what company do you work for? i'd imagine if it was just a light it would be safe to continue on? or is that just me?, I mean they are up
37 S12PPL : PLANE HAS LANDED SAFELY No door open.
38 Post contains links and images LFutia : hey... CNN showed a photo from A.Net!!!!! Photographer Jeff Miller. this is the photo that was shown: View Large View MediumPhoto © Jeff Miller b
39 Smokeyrosco : that is a nice signature btw.
40 RIXrat : Remember the cargo door left open on Turkish Airlines, I believe it was taking off from CDG. No joke. Everyone aboard was killed.
41 Post contains links and images NonRevKing : Back on topic, here's a photo of a cargo carrier flying into MIA with the cargo door open... View Large View MediumPhoto © JetPix It shouldn't be
42 Post contains images F9fan : So it has come to this, a light comes on an airplane and the 24/7 news goes bananas. Didn't we have a wave of this type of coverage after the footage
43 Flyabunch : Some of the most basic things that I have learned from participating in this site fore over a year is: 1. Not all planes can dump fuel 2. Large jets u
44 Post contains images Lightsaber : Hey, in a way its Christmas again! Oh boy, news for an indicator light. Lightsaber
45 Antoniemey : Except for the poor guy who gets hit in the head by a falling bag that weighs 200 lbs... Hence why, personally, I don't watch the news on TV anymore
46 B727 : I have a question, Why in an emergency do these planes circle for hours to burn off fuel? I understand that they can not "dump" fuel. But if they must
47 RichardPrice : I guess its just incase a nonserious matter turns into a serious matter. By circling over an airport, the emergency services can be prepared and wait
48 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Did you even think about this question before you wrote it?? Did you even consider the consequences of an aircraft doing this? You do realize I hope
49 Brilondon : The Airbus 320 family isn't equipted to dump fuel hence the reason that the airbuses have to fly around for a while. You do not dump aviation fuel ov
50 Post contains images Mir : If the door really was open, do you think they'd want to fly all the way to Denver with it that way. What if it opened more inflight? Also factoring
51 CALMSP : B727........i'm sure many people ask that question, maybe even those on the plane trying to get to DEN..........
52 LTBEWR : By the way, the aircraft was landed at LAX as F9 has a significant MX facility there vs. the original orgin airport. Apparently an indicator light for
53 Alphascan : Chill out! How pompous and rude was that answer? This board is a place where people- no matter what their age- can come and learn more about commerci
54 Post contains images MaverickM11 : 50+ posts and an hour of media coverage because an indicator light was on in the cockpit. Bravo all around.
55 AlaskaAirMD83 : Thank you so much Alphascan, I couldn't have put it better. I have been an aviation enthusiast since I was a kid but have learned A LOT off of this si
56 Post contains images S12PPL : And your attitude rocks!! Way to look like a jerk!!!
57 Post contains images UAMAYBACH1239 : You cant dump fuel on a Baby Bus. Much like Jet Blue a few months ago they had to circle the L.A. Basin to burn off fuel.
58 Post contains images UAMAYBACH1239 : They flew around burning off fuel because they could not dump it.
59 MaverickM11 : THANKS!!! I'm going to start a thread about an aircraft with lavs that are inop. Maybe CNN will point it's cameras at it for an hour!!!
60 Post contains images Mir : I predict that that thread will turn out to be pretty shitty... -Mir
61 OPNLguy : Two things that I haven't seen addressed here (unless I missed it) are the issues of drag and possible structural damage. First, keep in mind that ca
62 Post contains images UAMAYBACH1239 : If the plane main. or destination is on the east coast, do you think it is safe or wise to fly cross country. Not all airports can handle emergency l
63 Cschleic : The issue with it potentially opening at high altitude is sudden decompression. That's why some people were sucked out of the United 747 mentioned abo
64 B727 : Thanks, for the info OPNLguys, thanks for not jumping down my throat. These forms have more and more rude people in here lately. It was a simple quest
65 OPNLguy : Anytime... Jay Leno made a comment re: the recent Midwest 717 gear deal at BOS, i.e. instead of circling BOS for hours why didn't they just continue.
66 S12PPL : Do you even realize that until the prodlem can be isolated, the pilots have no idea if the door is even open??? You really don't get it, and that's p
67 Okie : Good one I was driving up the freeway in OKC Monday eve and had to dodge a bag that was in the middle of the freeway, then another, and another, and
68 Sideflare75 : Who would want to fly from BOS-MKE with the gear hanging out. I doubt they would even make it given the much slower speed and drag. I don't know what
69 OPNLguy : Precisely my point... The only relevant thing the regs (121.565, if memory serves) say about "nearest suitable airport" is that on a twin-engined air
70 Laxintl : Ha? Care to show me? To my knowledge Frontier does not even have a single mechanic in LA of its own!
71 F9fan : Keith Olberman on MSNBC had some interesting observations last night. First, they showed the video of the plane landing during the "Oddball" segment o
72 MSYtristar : It's probably a contract mx station just like countless others are.
73 TWAAF9 : Exactly. The only stations with actual F9 maintenance personnel are PHX, MCI, and DEN. And isn't there an F9 rep in Hamburg?
74 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Just pointing out the blindingly obvious. Never mentioned age. I did that . . . Yes, of course - and I still am on few things - but I remember the ol
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