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Brazilian Airports - Jan To Nov/05  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2392 times:
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Hi A.Net friends,

Here are some info from the Brazilian Top 20 airports in November and also during 2005 (january to november):

November only:

1- CGH....................... 1.415.565
2- GRU....................... 1.310.193
3- BSB....................... 764.282
4- GIG....................... 730.497
5- SSA....................... 368.868
6- SDU....................... 304.959
7- REC....................... 301.462
8- POA....................... 297.244
9- CWB...................... 285.675
10- CNF...................... 280.593
11- FOR...................... 225.589
12- VIX....................... 129.456
13- FLN....................... 125.401
14- MAO..................... 120.608
15- BEL...................... 119.976
16- NAT...................... 105.315
17- GYN...................... 100.768
18- IGU...................... 77.628
19- CPQ..................... 69.359
20- CBA..................... 67.915

And 2005 (jan to nov):

01- CGH..................... 15.604.072
02- GRU..................... 14.379.313
03- BSB..................... 8.607.903
04- GIG..................... 7.870.715
05- SSA..................... 4.121.455
06- SDU..................... 3.259.839
07- REC..................... 3.258.783
08- POA..................... 3.199.121
09- CWB.................... 3.101.769
10- CNF..................... 2.597.727
11- FOR..................... 2.502.625
12- FLN...................... 1.407.313
13- VIX...................... 1.382.219
14- BEL...................... 1.378.373
15- MAO..................... 1.313.651
16- PLU...................... 1.208.920
17- NAT...................... 1.165.649
18- GYN..................... 1.125.925
19- CBA..................... 806.661
20- IGU...................... 748.713

The entire system is expected to grow 15% over 2004.

Top 5 Routes:

Rio de Janeiro/SDU-São Paulo/CGH
Brasilia/BSB-São Paulo/CGH
Brasilia/BSB-Rio de Janeiro/GIG
São Paulo/CGH-Curitiba/CWB
Rio de Janeiro/GIG-São Paulo/GRU

Regards,
Felipe


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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Obrigado pelo relatorio, Felipe! Having lived in Aracaju 7 years, I'm curious about the numbers from AJU Santa Maria...do you have those? And those with Maceio. Does Maceio still have the international flight via Livingston, I believe is the airline?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2373 times:
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Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 1):

De nada Cris !

Let's see (jan-nov 05)... here you are:

MCZ, Maceió International Airport
Domestic Aircrafts: 13.988
International Aircrafts: 246
Total Aircrafts: 14.234

Domestic PAX: 663.384
International PAX: 22.325
Total PAX: 685.709

International Operators:
Livingston: MXP-MCZ-REC-MXP
Blue Panorama: MXP-SSA-MCZ-MXP
BRA: NAT-MCZ-LIS-MCZ-NAT

AJU, Aracaju Airport
Domestic Aircrafts: 13.530
International Aircrafts: 24
Total Aircrafts: 13.554

Domestic PAX: 443.742
International PAX: 145
Total PAX: 443.887

International pax due to executive aviation not civil operators.

Regards
Felipe



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User currently offlineAwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Felipe,
How great you brought this topic (formerly opened in ContatoRadar) to A.net!  thumbsup 
As told there, the air traffic is ill distributed between the Brazilian airports and the solution I see is DAC or the future ANAC establishes limitations for LCCs` domestic routes concessions.
One of those limitations would be the prohibition of LCCs settling hubs in central airports, so an carrier like G3 would not be allowed to maintain a hub in CGH, neither to fly to/from PLU instead of legacy carriers like RG or JJ.
In Europe, LCCs operates hubs in peripherical airports (like FR in HHN and U2 in STN) and those airlines get to sell three-hour journeys for €0,01!
The European air transportation model should be followed in Brazil, so we would get to better distribute the traffic between the airports.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 3964 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 3):
As told there, the air traffic is ill distributed between the Brazilian airports and the solution I see is DAC or the future ANAC establishes limitations for LCCs` domestic routes concessions.
One of those limitations would be the prohibition of LCCs settling hubs in central airports, so an carrier like G3 would not be allowed to maintain a hub in CGH, neither to fly to/from PLU instead of legacy carriers like RG or JJ.
In Europe, LCCs operates hubs in peripherical airports (like FR in HHN and U2 in STN) and those airlines get to sell three-hour journeys for €0,01!
The European air transportation model should be followed in Brazil, so we would get to better distribute the traffic between the airports.

Those are not fair measures. I rather see demand (passengers) adjusted to supply (gates and runways) through pricing changes coupled with perimeter rules. These rules need to be airline neutral. The government should not give Varig or TAM a privilege to operate at some airports.

CGH, which is the most relevant case, could be constrained by a departure tax. For example, the tax could be set up at 1/10 of the distance in kilometers. CGH-CWB gets R$40 departure tax, CGH-BSB gets R$85, CGH-REC gets R$200. The SDU shuttle stays with the current departure tax. Airlines and passengers wanting lower departure taxes can use GRU.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2226 times:
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Quoting Incitatus (Reply 4):
CGH, which is the most relevant case, could be constrained by a departure tax. For example, the tax could be set up at 1/10 of the distance in kilometers. CGH-CWB gets R$40 departure tax, CGH-BSB gets R$85, CGH-REC gets R$200. The SDU shuttle stays with the current departure tax. Airlines and passengers wanting lower departure taxes can use GRU.

Could be a smart move, but if you take a look on the loads at CGH (sorry, only available RG flights) you will see that there are more flights to/from CGH than the demand requires.
Some times the E170/E190 could be the right plane at CGH, may be some plane size restriction for some routes (more than 600 miles for example).

Wish to see ANAC trying to solve this matter, CGH is nowadays an airport with more than 30% as connections. It could be better for O&D if those pax can run their connections thru CNF, CWB or GIG

Rgds
Felipe



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
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Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 3):
How great you brought this topic (formerly opened in ContatoRadar) to A.net!

Good to see you there!

Quoting AwysBSB (Reply 3):
One of those limitations would be the prohibition of LCCs settling hubs in central airports, so an carrier like G3 would not be allowed to maintain a hub in CGH, neither to fly to/from PLU instead of legacy carriers like RG or JJ.

I believe that some governments need to improve incentives for LCCs like CNF. Also, Brazil need more point to point flights (and for this E-jets should be perfect!) in order to avoid such hubs like CGH.

Felipe



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

For the past 2 years I've been flying to Brazil almost every 3 months or so.
Everytime I noticed that the Brazilian airlines left in the business (RG, TAM and GOL) really copy each other. I flew CGH-PLU-SSA with Gol and at the same time RG and TAM had the same flight to SSA (not sure about Vasp, but it was flying then). It seems the all want to be big in CGH, GRU and GIG; It's not like the U.S. where the major airlines most of the time don't share hubs.
What I would love to see in Brazil is:
(1) That CGH, SDU and PLU (if still open for commercial flights) should only handle flights among themseves (PLU only weekdays, morning and late afernoon) with Embraer jets, B737family and A320family; and If someone wants to fly AEP-CGH or AEP-SDU let them do it..
(2) For GRU, GIG, CNF, CWB, BSB, SSA, REC (or FOR) and maybe POA to be a hub for an airline - maybe RG would have 2 or 3 hubs, TAM and GOL others.. but the other airlines won't use other airlines hub as their hub too but just as focus cities..
(3) For VCP to be a real LCC airport (like "Frankfurt" Hahn, "Olso" Torp, "Paris" Beauvais, "Stockholm" Skvasta or "Copenhagen" MMX - but in Brazil), if anyone wants to fly for BRL1 (like those LLC offer in Europe) let it be from that airport.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2111 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):

I Agree with your comment (1) , but for item (2), that's why São Paulo airports are so big nowadays: All airlines keep their main hubs in GRU/CGH. If a new airline offer a better network with hub on CNF or GIG for example, probably they will be very successful.

Concerning to VCP/CPQ, it's very far from São Paulo (about 70 miles), and there are no mass transport options. A car trip São Paulo City-VCP/CPQ will take you up to 2 and 1/2 hours at peak hours. There is a project for an express train, but it will take at least 4 years to get ready.

Regards and happy new year,

Felipe



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User currently offlineCampbelldok From Brazil, joined Dec 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

I´ll try not to get too much ´´off the topic``,but I have two questions about BSB to our Brazilian counterparts:
1 - With the second runway (3km+) now operational, and the construction of another terminal building, what might be the odds of having international flights (i.e. BSB-LIS, BSB-MIA) on the short run?
2 - Did engineers look forward to welcome big A380 in this new runway - or in any other airport in Brazil?


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 9):
1 - With the second runway (3km+) now operational, and the construction of another terminal building, what might be the odds of having international flights (i.e. BSB-LIS, BSB-MIA) on the short run?

It seems BSB is on CM radar, the premium demmand is there (and GYN could take advantage from a BSB international flight too) but it may take some time to happen (if ever), and of course, it won't be on a E190.



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User currently offlineAntiuser From Italy, joined May 2004, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 9):
2 - Did engineers look forward to welcome big A380 in this new runway - or in any other airport in Brazil?

If the A380 ever lands in Brazil, it'll likely be through Air France (at GIG) or Lufthansa (at GRU)... but so far all I've heard were rumours that can't be confirmed or taken very seriously. The demand might be there, but LH hasn't been getting good yields on the FRA-GRU run and the A346 flights that continue to SCL will be cancelled in March, if I recall correctly. AF has been getting good loads and yields at GIG with a daily 744, so I'd say that would be route most likely to get A380 service in Brazil... but, like I said, so far they're only unconfirmed rumours...



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
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Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 9):
1 - With the second runway (3km+) now operational, and the construction of another terminal building, what might be the odds of having international flights (i.e. BSB-LIS, BSB-MIA) on the short run?

The main problem IMO nowadays is that the bilaterals are at their limit (for brazilian airlines to CDG, MAD, FRA and LHR), or for american carriers (for US-Brazil). Tam and Varig does not hold available aircrafts to run other flights other than GRU/GIG (and Varig has a priority to improve flights to/from Rio). As part of the high yield traffic hold by GRU is from BSB, any kind of "easy" could receive strong opposition.
Also, meanwhile BSB receive its second runway, its the only airport with drop on pax numbers this year and its only a 4,5 million year pax O&D airport.
I believe BSB could receive flights to other south america countries first. We can see in the near future TP with a LIS-BSB flight and may be AA with a flight to MIA.

Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 9):
2 - Did engineers look forward to welcome big A380 in this new runway - or in any other airport in Brazil?

If we look for space on the terminals, seems that GIG is the only one with availability of space and the only one with double fingers.

Quoting Antiuser (Reply 11):
AF has been getting good loads and yields at GIG with a daily 744, so I'd say that would be route most likely to get A380 service in Brazil... but, like I said, so far they're only unconfirmed rumours...

Agree 100%.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
It seems BSB is on CM radar, the premium demmand is there (and GYN could take advantage from a BSB international flight too) but it may take some time to happen (if ever), and of course, it won't be on a E190.

What do you think about a flight MAO-PTY using Gol to provide connection to/from BSB like Rio-São Paulo leg nowadays ?

Regards,
Felipe



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User currently offlineCampbelldok From Brazil, joined Dec 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
As part of the high yield traffic hold by GRU is from BSB, any kind of "easy" could receive strong opposition.

I agree, if there is one ´´future international hub`` GRU is to fear, it is BSB. Once international flights take a stand form BSB, passengers from Brazilian Midwest won´t need to divert from their way (GRU/GIG) or pay sky high fares (MAO) in order to fly north (US, Canada, Caribbean, or Europe). The geographical position of BSB adds to its advantage upon northeastern cities, where planes can stop by still not getting out of their route heading for Europe.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
It seems BSB is on CM radar, the premium demand is there (and GYN could take advantage from a BSB international flight too) but it may take some time to happen (if ever),...

Not only GYN, but also CNF/PLU, and every town in the Midwest.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
... and of course, it won't be on a E190.

CM can also use its 737NG to BSB, thus strengthening its ´´hub of the Americas`` marketing and operational position.


User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
Concerning to VCP/CPQ, it's very far from São Paulo (about 70 miles), and there are no mass transport options. A car trip São Paulo City-VCP/CPQ will take you up to 2 and 1/2 hours at peak hours. There is a project for an express train, but it will take at least 4 years to get ready.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but when I moved to Brasil 11 years ago, I was told that after VCP was to open, the bulk of traffic would move there from GRU. The express train was not built at the time because money was mismanaged and lost. The train was to run between the north and south lanes of the "expressway" connecting Sao Paulo and Campinas. I live in Zona Sul and has taken me up to 2 hours to get to GRU! Is it true that GRU was basically a military airport? Seems rather large for that but it sure wasn't built with a vision for future growth. However, GRU has made great strides in modernization over the past couple of years.


User currently offlineJog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
(2) For GRU, GIG, CNF, CWB, BSB, SSA, REC (or FOR) and maybe POA to be a hub for an airline - maybe RG would have 2 or 3 hubs, TAM and GOL others.. but the other airlines won't use other airlines hub as their hub too but just as focus cities..

Isn't BSB almost a hub for JJ already? When I landed there a few weeks ago I counted at least 14 JJ aircraft which I found quite impressive. I just checked Infraero's website and again: 14 JJ flights leaving within the next 60 minutes (between 10am and 11am)...


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1920 times:
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Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 13):

First of all, welcome to A.Net ! Good to see more brazilians here.

Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 13):
I agree, if there is one ´´future international hub`` GRU is to fear, it is BSB

Agree. The problem is that, who will be the first one to change from GRU to BSB ? Although a good market, BSB is not so strong as an O&D market and the only airline with an extensive connections network in BSB are Gol and Tam.

Quoting Jog (Reply 15):
Isn't BSB almost a hub for JJ already?

Yes, it is. But the main markets for JJ at BSB are São Paulo (with 16 daily flights) and Rio de Janeiro (with 6 daily flights). Tam keep flights to other cities (one, two or three to each destination). The size of BSB could be explained by the fact that TAM faces restrictions with their A320 fleet at CGH. They can't reach cities like FOR, BEL, SLZ and MAO from Congonhas, so they start to strong ops at BSB, where they can fly to all the country without stop.

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 14):
The train was to run between the north and south lanes of the "expressway" connecting Sao Paulo and Campinas.

Yes, but last year the AutoBan (company which runs the Sao Paulo-Campinas Highway system) start a new traffic lane for both directions using the space reserved for the Express Train.

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 14):
Is it true that GRU was basically a military airport?

Yes. it was. But also the city of Guarulhos grow more than expected.

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 14):
However, GRU has made great strides in modernization over the past couple of years.

Wish to see in 2006 Infraero starting GRU T3.

Regards
Felipe



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 14):
Is it true that GRU was basically a military airport?

Yes. it was. But also the city of Guarulhos grow more than expected.

The military is still there, on the opposite side of the runways looking from the terminals. But fighters are not based there anymore, if they ever were (I don't know).

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):

Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 14):
However, GRU has made great strides in modernization over the past couple of years.

Wish to see in 2006 Infraero starting GRU T3.

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Feliz Ano Novo guys!



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Quoting Campbelldok (Reply 13):
I agree, if there is one ´´future international hub`` GRU is to fear, it is BSB.

Those predicting that BSB might somehow displace GRU as a hub are mistaken in my opinion especially when it comes to international services.

Sao Paulo which is the largest metropolis in South America with over 18 million people is by far Brazil's pre-eminent economic and powerhouse that will continue driving airline demand.

A city which alone accounts for near 35% of a countries entire GDP with its key industrial, service based and financial related economy will not be displaced by a 2.2 million city no matter how geographically well situated Brasilia might be.



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User currently offlineCampbelldok From Brazil, joined Dec 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):
Those predicting that BSB might somehow displace GRU as a hub are mistaken in my opinion especially when it comes to international services.

Thanks for your opinion. Sorry if I didn´t make myself clear. - Yes, I agree international services to and from São Paulo may just never be surpassed by any other city in Brazil. The point I wanted to stress is that higher pax numbers imply higher bargain capability along with airport authorities (i.e. so that they can ask - and have - T3 built at a faster pace). Airports in Brazil are not private owned. Air traffic controllers, bilateral agreements and other institutional interests also apply.
Conclusion: The new international routes to and from BSB and other important Brazilian cities do not get started not because of lack of demand, but due to problems related to institutional interests.


User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1386 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

I just can't wait to see 2005 end figures from all Latin American airports. As has been posted before, I am sure we will see a lot of changes in the ranking of largest airports due to unprecedent growth rates.

PZ



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
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Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 20):
I just can't wait to see 2005 end figures from all Latin American airports. As has been posted before, I am sure we will see a lot of changes in the ranking of largest airports due to unprecedent growth rates.

Hi Pedro !

You're right, but for the top three, i believe we will see no changes (MEX, CGH and GRU). After the third, we can see some surprises as BSB faces a little drop.

Regards
Felipe



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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1386 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
we can see some surprises as BSB faces a little drop.

And CUN loosing almost one full month of a/c operations due to Wilma Hurricane.

PZ



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
What do you think about a flight MAO-PTY using Gol to provide connection to/from BSB like Rio-São Paulo leg nowadays ?

There has been some talks about PTY-MAO-PTY happening this year.
That flight may provide some connections with GOL and will be great for BEL, SLZ, FOR, NAT; but If I think I know CM, I'll guess they'll be after the premium BSB O/D traffic and could venture flying their own B737-700 there not keep BSB for GOL.
I belive if CM wants to grow big in Brazil, a codeshare agreement with GOL would do wonders, but they'll come to a point when CM itself would have to fly to the major brazilian destiantions (GRU, GIG, CNF, POA, SSA, BSB, FOR, REC, BEL, MAO, CWB, CGB !) themselves and let GOL fly from their brazilan destinations to places like FLN, VIX, Teresina, CGR, Palmas, Uberaba, Governador Valladares...
Its kind of the same situation they (CM) is about to face with CO, it's comming ot a point when sending their passengers to major U.S. cities via CO IAH and EWR will not be attractive for their Hub of The Americas. More U.S. destinations must be added.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 23):
There has been some talks about PTY-MAO-PTY happening this year.
That flight may provide some connections with GOL and will be great for BEL, SLZ, FOR, NAT; but If I think I know CM, I'll guess they'll be after the premium BSB O/D traffic and could venture flying their own B737-700 there not keep BSB for GOL.

They can test the market with an E190 and if numbers are good (with the code-share on Gol routes probably will be) they can in the future improve the flight to their 737-700. MAO is an important cargo and industrial city.

Copa can be sucessfully in Brazil, the north-northeast are waiting for better international links.

Regards
Felipe



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25 2travel2know : PTY-MAO-PTY is an ideal route for a B737 Cargo/Passenger, but CM retired their only combi many years ago (a -100 or -200) and today they don't think
26 LipeGIG : I imagine that even a B737-700 would be great for Copa as the cargo will be connected to US, Mexico and other latin american countries. Probably as MA
27 2travel2know : Doesn't the E190/170 hold more cargo per passenger than the B737-600/700/800/900 ? The demmand for cargo is there, CM is just taking too long to grab
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