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Naked Pilots, Harassment, Nude Conspiracies!  
User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2175 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18711 times:

Naked Pilots, Harassment, NUDE CONSPIRACIES

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Cabin crew fear sexual harassment if they must wake pilots

Air stewardesses on long-haul Cathay Pacific flights have complained about being told to wake up sleeping pilots in their bunks, saying they may be put in
embarrassing situations or subjected to sexual harassment.

Stewardesses on the new Airbus A340-600 have to go into a private cabin where a relief pilot is sleeping alone, sometimes naked, and shake him to wake him, the Flight Attendants' Union (FAU) says.

The union's chairwoman, Becky Kwan Siu-wa, said the practice had become an issue since the introduction of the long-range Airbus, which has sleeping quarters for cabin and cockpit crew.

Unlike other long-haul planes, the sleeping quarters on the three A340-600s in
the Cathay fleet have a separate cabin with a closing door where one of the four pilots on duty will rest, usually alone.

"We have to enter the room, and if you don't want to wake other people up in the sleeping quarters outside, you have to be very quiet. You have to be very gentle and really physically touch the person to wake them up," said Ms Kwan. "Some people have the habit of sleeping naked and sometimes they might wake up [if a stewardess comes in] and say 'oh, my lucky dream'.

"It is dark and a person is sleeping by himself or herself, because we also have
women pilots. We could also have people with different sexual preferences. If
you send a male steward down to a male pilot you might also have a problem.

"No individual is comfortable enough to go into a dark room and wake someone up. You have to have physical contact to wake someone up when they are fast asleep. Most people do sleep naked if they are by themselves in a room in the dark."

Flight attendants have taken their complaint to management. The union has asked for the practice to stop and for pilots to be told to use wristwatch alarms to wake themselves, but Cathay refused the demand.

Ms Kwan said the issue was first raised more than a year ago when flight
operations management gave a vague promise that cabin crew would not be sent to wake sleeping pilots.

A Cathay spokeswoman said alternatives of using an alarm clock or a tannoy-style announcement were impractical as they would wake other crew sleeping in the same rest area.

"Out of consideration for the other crew, it can be preferable for cabin crew to
wake the cockpit crew," she said.

"Cockpit crew may have different rest periods to cabin crew and therefore have
different body-clock rest requirements."

She said: "We have not had any reported cases of embarrassment or harassment by cockpit or cabin crew in the crew rest area."

Source: South China Morning Post
Date: 25 December 2005

49 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCityjet From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 18616 times:

So if the relief copilot sleeps naked...............when he goes on duty...does the other pilot have to sleep in the pre-warmed bed ?

User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 18615 times:

What's the story - morning glory springs to mind  rotfl   rotfl 


One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18438 times:

Well, all major airlines of today have thier problems. DL is fighting for cash, as the fuel prices rise more and more, NW is laying off thousands of jobs also to stay alive, and CX, well, has to solve the problem of difficult embarrassing situations about how to wake up the pilots...Hope this wont lead to Chapter 11 sarcastic 


Homer: Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie and one to listen.
User currently offlineSpeckSpot From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18151 times:

I think they should invent vibrating pillows that can either be controlled from a switch outside the room, or function autonomously with the same sort of
trigger an alarm clock has. Hopefully the pillow vibration can be set to a level
and speed strong enough to wake anyone, but soft enough not to transmit through the airframe to the neighboring bunks. Nice little engineering problem.

Speckspot


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18094 times:

Quoting SpeckSpot (Reply 4):
I think they should invent vibrating pillows that can either be controlled from a switch outside the room, or function autonomously with the same sort of
trigger an alarm clock has. Hopefully the pillow vibration can be set to a level
and speed strong enough to wake anyone, but soft enough not to transmit through the airframe to the neighboring bunks. Nice little engineering problem.

Speckspot

These already exist for the deaf.


User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18056 times:

Why don't they offer the honor of waking-up the pilot to the highest bidding passenger? They could make an special application in the personal-entertainment system for this with a photo, video of the pilot's home, if necessary pilot's gender and his or her sexual preferences. No embarrassment or harassment left, just happiness!  tongue 

User currently offlineSlashd0t From Canada, joined Dec 2002, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 18021 times:

Why not just implement a button alarm on the outside of the door.. When you push the button, is sets off an alarm similar to an alarm clock inside the room .. I can only imagine the jokes being played on crew, but, this does solve the privacy issue quite cheaply.


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User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 691 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17987 times:

I am sure that there are alarm devices that can easily do the job without disturbing others.

Why hasn't the company thought of the obvious? Have the pilots be responsible for their own wake time.

And as far as the "dress" or "undress" code, that is also easily solved. No nudity allowed. They are still on duty. If the pilots can't live with it, then they shouldn't be flying that aircraft for that airine.

Why is this so difficult?


User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17985 times:

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 5):
These already exist for the deaf.

Deaf Pilots????  Big grin Big grin Big grin


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17929 times:

Why not just make a rule stating that the company knows your sexual preferences? That way you make sure that only a straight member of the same sex can wake up the sleeping crew!

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17412 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17915 times:

Quoting Cityjet (Reply 1):
So if the relief copilot sleeps naked...............when he goes on duty...does the other pilot have to sleep in the pre-warmed bed ?

And if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it...



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineHighflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17732 times:

For a moment I thought this thread was about those Miami Air nudist flights of a year or so ago. Actually that was a brainchild of a nudist travel agency from Houston, Texas called Castaways Travel. The destination was a bare butt resort near Cancun, Mexico and the Boeing 727-200 flight received wide media attention. From all reports it was a happy wholesome group of slightly out-of-shape middle-aged vacationers in the buff as the plane climbed above 10,000 ft. I don't believe clothing issues "below and above 10" are covered in the FAA regs along with sterile cockpit and 250 knots indicated.

From all reports the cockpit and cabin crew remained fully dressed.


User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17634 times:

Quoting SpeckSpot (Reply 4):
I think they should invent vibrating pillows

Bad idea, it's another sex harassment, but from the management that time, or worst, from the manufacturer of the device Big grin
Your are close to sexual incentive in that case !!  cheerful   cheerful 

Sorry, it was just a joke for fun Big grin

To be serious, yes it could be a problem to address. But give me a break, I am pretty sure that it is NOT the biggest one for this industry !


User currently offlineAMS5280 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17619 times:

I'm sure everyone at CX knows by now who the nude pilots are so it's time to invest in remote controlled shock collars for these lucky individuals. Some people like that stuff anyway.

User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17610 times:

Quoting DeltaWings (Reply 3):
Hope this wont lead to Chapter 11

no, its only the Us government that bails out its airlines!  Wink


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17596 times:

This is as absurd as nurses complaining that they might have to see a nude patient. Most normal adults sleep nude. If it helps pilots to rest better, then the cabin staff need to cope or find a different job.

User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17594 times:
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Quoting BigOrange (Reply 10):
That way you make sure that only a straight member of the same sex can wake up the sleeping crew!

... or a homosexual member of the opposite sex, just in case every crewmember is gay  Smile



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17531 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16):
Most normal adults sleep nude.

Have pajamas and nightgowns gone out of style?  Smile


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17437 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16):
Most normal adults sleep nude.

Uhh, you have survey results to back that statement up? I don't sleep nude.



Make something Idiot-proof, and the Universe will make a more inept idiot.
User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17317 times:

I fly with an FA who had a vibrating alarm wristwatch designed for the deaf she used it at home so she didn't wake her husband and on the plane so she doesn't wake the other crewmembers on break.

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16843 times:

Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 19):
Uhh, you have survey results to back that statement up?

Let's just say I have a statistically significant data set.  Wink


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2191 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16072 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16):
Most normal adults sleep nude.



Quoting Antoniemey (Reply 19):
Uhh, you have survey results to back that statement up? I don't sleep nude.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 21):
Let's just say I have a statistically significant data set

Here are more scientific results:

ABC News:

"In other personal predilections, men are twice as likely as women to sleep in the nude (31 percent of men, 14 percent of women)" (This ABC News "Primetime Live" survey was conducted by telephone, by female interviewers only, Aug. 2-9, 2004, among a random national sample of 1,501 adults. The results have a 2.5-point error margin for all respondents.)

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/News/story?id=156921&page=1


User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15433 times:

A bucket of water above every bed will do the trick.

The captain must be responsible for his time, and if he fails, he will know it  Wink

There are plenty of solutions for this, but most of them will make the A346 even heavier, maybe that's the reason why they don't want switches and alarm clocks  duck 



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1985 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15396 times:

LOL!...I'm wearing CX first class pyjamus. CX cabin crews should knock the door loudly and give pyjamus to him.


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25 Post contains images AIRCANL1011 : I totally agree. If the pilot needs to have a member of the crew wake him/her, then he/she should be prepared to sleep in an manor that is appropriat
26 MidnightMike : Nasty, grown men sleeping in the nude, on those long flights you could be sleeping in the same bed, that a naked man just woke up naked, so, you get t
27 3201 : There should definitely be electric-shock devices to wake them up. This would be another example of technology crossover from the defense industry to
28 727EMflyer : Interesting topic to me. The fact that there is a complaint indicates someone has been unprofessional. CX should find that person or persons and set t
29 Post contains images PA110 : And if nudity is already an issue, can you imagine what uses they will find for this pillow?
30 Post contains images MidnightMike : Cattle Prodder will work! Shock Prodder An easy way to get cattle moving.
31 MD-90 : Who sleeps naked on an airplane packed full of passengers? It's a strange complaint, that's for sure.
32 A3xx900 : That is rediculous. Seriously. Why cant they use alarm clocks? A simple, 5-dollar alarm clock would do. But noooooo it's gotta be carried to the union
33 C5onknees : Ive heard about on a Cargo flight (744), a now passed on Captain was asleep in one of the crew bunks in the rear of the upper deck and came up to the
34 Post contains images Toxtethogrady : "... or a homosexual member of the opposite sex, just in case every crewmember is gay" Someone's been watching too many episodes of "Mile High"
35 DeltaGator : If the crew rest area is kind of like the coffin arrangement sleep with your head closest to the door at the front. That way the hypersensitive stewar
36 Iwok : What if you've got a boner? PJ's or not, that would be funny.. iwok
37 Cure : I can perfectly seeing such a rule used for hiring&firing or something... Absolutely not a good one, not even joking!...Much worst than giving inform
38 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : I had one of those. I stopped using it after the first night. It caused me to piss the bed. Mark
39 CX flyboy : What complete rubbish....no-one sleeps naked. It's just the cabin crew union stirring things up. They have done so on a few silly issues recently...ma
40 Mas777 : Whether any pilot sleeps naked or not - this is unfortunately a rather real (albeit silly to some) situation of the world we live in today. Working in
41 Post contains images HAWK21M : Install Monitoring Cameras regds MEL
42 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Fully agree.... a pilot sleeping on a long flight is still on duty....there is absolutely no excuse for sleeping nude....imagine if pax in the cabins
43 Peteryeong : Well, well, well OK. I am not a pilot but I do sleep naked. Nor do I have an above average apendage (so to speak) But if touched at a sensitive spot (
44 Post contains images DeltaGator : You spin it however you need to spin it.
45 Gift4tbone : What about THAT as the next a.net survey? I'd like to see THOSE results. Alright. Thanks for the idea. I'll do that next time I'm on a 2+ hr flight,
46 SLUAviator : Can you imagine one of the naked sleepers going sleep walking in the pax cabin? Welcome aboard CX!!!! Enjoy your flight!!!!
47 Jeremy : Nude Pilots. Sounds like a similar incident at Southwest. They had a couple of pilots who took their clothes off on the flightdeck.
48 Post contains images Halls120 : I'm all for nude pilots, as long as they are female and make frequent trips into the cabin to say hi!
49 Post contains images CaptainTim : geez expected this to be said a lil higher up... maybe top 10 replies? hahaha took soo long for someoen to suggest that female pilots sleeping naked
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