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CO Looking For New RJ Partner  
User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10739 times:
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Dec. 28, 2005



CO issued the following news release today, along with an employee Q and A. The bulletin and the Q and A are included as separate .pdf attachments.

CONTINENTAL AIRLINES TO WITHDRAW 69 AIRCRAFT

FROM EXPRESSJET AIRLINES, INC.



HOUSTON, Dec. 28, 2005 – Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) today announced that it has given notice it will withdraw 69 of 274 regional jet aircraft from its capacity purchase agreement with ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. (NYSE: XJT) and ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. (ExpressJet). ExpressJet is currently the exclusive operator of regional jet services for Continental Airlines.

Continental will request proposals from numerous regional jet operators to provide regional jet service to replace the withdrawn capacity. The transition of service from ExpressJet to a new operator is expected to begin in January 2007 and be completed during the summer of 2007.

Continental is withdrawing the 69 aircraft under its capacity purchase agreement with ExpressJet, as permitted under that agreement, because Continental believes the rates charged by ExpressJet to Continental for regional capacity are above the current market.

Prior to today’s announcement, Continental and ExpressJet attempted to negotiate a more competitive long-term contract, but the parties were unable to reach agreement.

“We didn’t want to take this action, but we were not able to reach an agreement with ExpressJet to lower our cost,” said Continental’s Senior Vice President of Asia/Pacific & Corporate Development Mark Erwin. “Continental will continue to take the difficult actions necessary to remain competitive and protect the jobs and retirement security of our 42,000 employees.”

ExpressJet can continue to sublease from Continental any of the 69 withdrawn aircraft, although at significantly increased lease rates. However, ExpressJet cannot operate any aircraft into Continental’s hubs except under its agreement with Continental. Should ExpressJet elect to retain aircraft, those aircraft may be replaced by a new operator. ExpressJet has up to nine months to determine whether it will continue to sublease any of the withdrawn aircraft.


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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10720 times:

Looks like the game of musical regional partners continues to muddy. Interesting development, and a likely response to the kind of rates bankrupt airlines are getting.

It will become even harder to keep a scorecard on which carrier is operating for what partner.



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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10663 times:
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I just got this release and find it very interesting to think of the many possibilities that this move will allow.


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5365 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

I hope the new guy isn't Mesa; but Mesa seems to be the low bidder lately.


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10640 times:

Hey, there's this bubble jet Barbie airline at Dulles that is looking for a way out of sure doom and demise......

User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

One more thing for us at ZW to bid on. We will see where this goes. If Mesa does continue to underbid everyone, that would give them flying for 5 of the 6 legacy carriers, with the exception being AA. You would think this would create a conflict of interest, and it seems unlikely that Mesa would be able to expand at this exponential rate.

I would think this would end up with someone who hasn't been growing much, who is in a position to expand in a positive rate. Skywest just ended an agreement with CO not long ago, but they still expand like crazy. Chautauqua and anyone affiliated have been growing very quickly themselves, and are partnered with everyone that mesa is. I doubt these two carriers could continue to be cheaper than everyone. The regionals likely to be in the best position could be Pinnacle and Mesaba, and if they lose the NW flying, this flying becomes absolutely necessary for them to win. ZW has to be a player in this as well, having been stagnant for so long.

This could also have repurcussions for the NW flying. I don't know if ExpressJet got the NW RFP, but you would think they would almost certainly have to bid on the flying, and the unions will pressure them too and may take concessions. Otherwise, we could be seeing a ton of furloughs. Keep in mind though, that they could not operate CLE or IAH flights for NW under the CO agreement. EWR is moot because NW doesn't run RJ's there.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6577 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

This is no surprise. CO can't sit by and pay XJT's premium rates while other carriers (UA, US, DL, NW) slash their feed costs.

In reality, I think CO would like to just have fewer RJ's. But outside of bankruptcy, they can't simply dump the planes. So instead, they'll try to find a cheaper partner to operate them.


User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13509 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10500 times:
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I'm thinking this is just public posturing - ExpressJet needs CO, and vice-versa. They'll find a way to arrive at a new agreement that's mutually beneficial.


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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10496 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 5):
EWR is moot because NW doesn't run RJ's there.

They do run ARJ's into Newark, and being that these are going to be withdrawn soon, I would expect that CRJ's would be in line to replace them.


User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10434 times:

What has United started? That's three airlines now who are/were looking for new regional partners. Mesa nees to be careful, bidding on a lot of work, expanding too quickly...mistakes get made that way, next thing you know a crash happens. Mesa can't get crews fast enough to expand as quickly as they want.

This could be a very good thing for AWAC. I would love to see us fly for three different airlines...hell, at this point I'd be very happy with two!



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2165 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10419 times:

Boy this does play on several levels....

One is CO using the action as a leverage over Expressjet similar to what NW has done to Pinnacle, UA to AWAC, and so on.

Second...or is CO wishing to align their rj service setup closer to the UAL model for that rumored merger

third...or is CO looking to get Republic and their growing fleet of 170s which are winning rj pax away from competitors left and right

or maybe a combo of 2 or more?

Any RFP will be answered by Mesa and AWAC for sure...probably Republic...and remember that SkyWest is absorbing their buy from DAL and need places to run to with those rj's.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10389 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 6):
In reality, I think CO would like to just have fewer RJ's.

True enough- the RJ bubble has burst and perhaps many of these are the 37-seaters...just a thought too.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 7):
I'm thinking this is just public posturing - ExpressJet needs CO, and vice-versa.

A very strong public shot. Take a look at XJT stock already. They'll get the message. Play ball or we'll cut you out of the equation. Let's face it- ExpressJet has benefitted immensely thanks to a very generous CO contract. They're going to have to realize that they won't find a healthier major with which to be associated. And CO should realize, as I'm sure they do, that having a singular regional SJP is beneficial in ways other than strictly the cost per flight basis. I have to say it's nice to have a "single" product out there.


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 970 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10379 times:

So does this mean Expressjet will have 69 surplus a/c and wind up furloughing employees?


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10357 times:
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most likely, unless they hook on with someone else............will be down to 205 a/c


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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

Having one regional to fly your product is a great thing. You get consistent service and follow one operation manual. UA has 6 different manuals right now. Mesa, Skywest, AWAC, Republic, Colgan, and their own. I know they are trying to get one ops manual but Mesa always seems to try to throw something else in or fight to get something taken out.....basically they just screw things up. Point, it's much better to have one, or a few, regionals. Perfect example....in ATW Mesa and Skywest fly these routes....our passengers are already staying away from the Mesa flights. In their words the crews are not as professional and their flights are always late. The Skywest flights are on time and the way the crews carry themselves speaks volumes. I flew Mesa twice now into ATW and both times we have had missed approaches.....I know things happen but the past two times a missed approach? I've never had a missed approach with an AWAC crew.


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10327 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 14):
Having one regional to fly your product is a great thing. You get consistent service and follow one operation manual.

Totally my point---I don't think you can quantify that in dollars either.

I don't like the saber-rattling for that reason. Hope they settle. It's too good a gig we both have.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 9):

This could be a very good thing for AWAC. I would love to see us fly for three different airlines...hell, at this point I'd be very happy with two!

No offense AWAC, while I love your service and crews, half the reason I choose CO over the others is their all-ERJ regional fleet. You guys are the only regional on par with XJT's service, but I despise those CRJ's. My vote here goes for Chautauqua, if it's for more 50-seaters, since they've got the ERJ's.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 10):

third...or is CO looking to get Republic and their growing fleet of 170s which are winning rj pax away from competitors left and right

Gotta work on the Scope Clause before you sign a contract for 70's.

Quoting Slider (Reply 11):

True enough- the RJ bubble has burst and perhaps many of these are the 37-seaters...just a thought too.

No more than 30 of them could be 37 seaters. There are only 30 in the fleet. http://www.expressjet.com/fleet.asp Dump the 37 seaters and I cringe to think what happens to the CLE hub.


User currently offlineJetfixer From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10251 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if SkyWest walked away the winner of this one, they've been chomping at the bit to fly 50 seaters for CO for a while. The rumor I heard was they went into Houston with 10 Brasilias to get a foot in the door for this exact RFP that was expected to happen a year or so ago. They walked away, they were not under bid by Colgan, they did not want to add a bigger turboprop type to their fleet which is what CO would have liked.

I think is gonna be hard for anyone to under bid them. They offer an excellent product and their on time/completion is excellent. I'd compare them to the Southwest of the regionals since their ASA aquisition. With their huge CRJ fleet they have the benefits and savings that go along with operating such a large fleet type like Southwest does.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10225 times:

Quoting Jetfixer (Reply 17):
they have the benefits and savings that go along with operating such a large fleet type like Southwest does.

By that theory, so would ExpressJet... but with more efficient planes. (CRJ-200s are less efficient in block/hour costs than ERJ-145's... it's been on here quite a few times.)

Haven't they always said that Skywest shys away from East Coast flying? Would that make them the CLE hub RJ-er then? Or IAH? Either way, start dumping CRJ's on my routes and I'll be tempted to go back to US.

OR is this CO clearing out RJ's that are on short hop flights... in an attempt to begin acquiring Q400's from somewhere.


User currently offlineLoggat From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 666 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10159 times:

I think it is disgraceful that quality regional airlines are losing their flying because a rinky dink outfit like Mesa can underbid them. I am embarrased for any passenger that has to fly on a route operated by them.

If Mesa gets the flying from CO, it will prove only one thing.... the only factor in the decision was cost. Their operation is so cheap and reflective of that cheapness that you can only say you get what you pay for. In this day and age, the consumer has choice. If I didn't work in the industry and receive travel benefits I know my money would stay as far away from travel on Mesa as possible.

I work for Trans States, and I don't care how bad you think we are, next to Mesa we are pretty good. Compared to others, we are middle to lower tier.

Best of luck XJT folks.



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User currently offlineJetfixer From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10068 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 18):
By that theory, so would ExpressJet... but with more efficient planes. (CRJ-200s are less efficient in block/hour costs than ERJ-145's... it's been on here quite a few times.)

True, but obviously Express Jet wasn't able to reach an agreement yet or we wouldn't be discussing this would we. It doesn't matter how many times it has been on this site, there is a lot more that goes into a RFP besides aircraft efficiency. What I was getting at is that SkyWest/ASA, with its now combined considerably bigger CRJ fleet is now a lot more competitive than it was 4 months ago. And 4 months ago they were very competitive.


Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 18):
Haven't they always said that Skywest shys away from East Coast flying? Would that make them the CLE hub RJ-er then? Or IAH? Either way, start dumping CRJ's on my routes and I'll be tempted to go back to US.

If that were true then why would they have acquired ASA, thats pretty far east? The ATL and ORD hubs have a lot of flights that go East. As for which hub the winner of the RFP will operate out of, who knows, they may operate out of both CLE and IAH, or just out of one. You may have to go to US, you may not.


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10049 times:

Quoting ATWZW170 (Reply 14):
Having one regional to fly your product is a great thing. You get consistent service and follow one operation manual. UA has 6 different manuals right now. Mesa, Skywest, AWAC, Republic, Colgan, and their own.

All US Airways Express carriers follow the US Airways Express ground ops manual, unlike regionals flying for UAX, where you need separate everything for each individual carrier.


User currently offlineJetfixer From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9967 times:

Something I just thought about after reading the press release again.


Quoting CALMSP (Thread starter):
ExpressJet can continue to sublease from Continental any of the 69 withdrawn aircraft, although at significantly increased lease rates. However, ExpressJet cannot operate any aircraft into Continental’s hubs except under its agreement with Continental. Should ExpressJet elect to retain aircraft, those aircraft may be replaced by a new operator. ExpressJet has up to nine months to determine whether it will continue to sublease any of the withdrawn aircraft.

Continental owns the lease on these 69 planes. Unless Express Jet continues to lease these plane and fly under another airlines codeshare, Continental will still be stuck with these planes. If they have their ducks in a row, the winner of the RFP will have to assume the lease on these 69 planes. Not gonna happen for CRJ operators, I may have to retract my satement about SkyWest winning the race. We'll have to wait and see I guess.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9954 times:

Quoting Jetfixer (Reply 22):
If they have their ducks in a row, the winner of the RFP will have to assume the lease on these 69 planes.

Is that the Hallelujah Chorus I hear?


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7189 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9804 times:
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25 TOLtommy : Yes and no. Look what happened to CVG during the Comair strike. Until that time, Delta really kept the regionals seperated. Now they are mixed at all
26 Loggat : But remember that CAL said that the sublease rates would be much higher than the current lease rates. I don't think they would be interested in doing
27 FlyPNS1 : Assuming that XJT's bid was low-enough to be cost-effective for NWA. According to the press release, if XJT takes the planes they will pay higher lea
28 CRJ900 : "Everyone" is kicking the 50-seater jets nowadays for being way too expensive to operate. Wouldn't just 37 seats be even more expensive to fly?
29 TOLtommy : Depends on the rate. CO's "much higher lease rates" may be cheaper than the best NWA can squeeze out of their lessors. If that's the case, they'll gi
30 Ca2ohHP : Yeah, the Comair Syndrome.
31 FlyHoss : Don't overlook who's running the show at ExpressJet, Jim Ream. He may be the CEO of ExpressJet, but he's a CO employee. Nor is he the only CO employee
32 Slider : That was my point- that if there has to be a reduction in flying, or a farming out to a lower cost provider, the 37 SRJs would be the ones first to g
33 Tornado82 : There are routes where either performance restrictions, or yields, make the 37 seaters nearly a necessity. Specifically the performance restrictions.
34 Lemurs : What's the restriction there? I thought the -145XR was supposed to take care of a lot of the field restriction problems the -145 had in relation to t
35 Ca2ohHP : Are they willing to pay more to not fly on a Mesa operated flight? If not, you're probably out of luck. In my opinion, YV has greatly improved their
36 ContnlEliteCMH : Well, this Continental customer actually likes ExpressJet, the ERJ-145, and CLE. The product is *seamless*. The only way you know that you aren't on a
37 ATWZW170 : Airlines do recognize the need of regionals but when they are not getting the profits that they used to, they will turn to the lowest cost, ie MESA. I
38 Lemurs : I think it's all 3. After all, by YE06 they'll have 274 RJ's in the books. Even if they go through with this and drop 69 of them, that's still 205 RJ
39 FlyXJT : This is, as some of you pointed out, mostly posturing between companies, and most likely for XJT cutbacks. Here's the truth about some of the points:
40 Skyexramper : I was informed today by a fellow forum browser and xjt employee that the ERJs will be going to Mesa. Yep, the same mesa that has poor mx and airplanes
41 Post contains images TOLtommy : Let me see if I follow you on this.... In the hours since CO announced this news, they asked for RFP, got them from numerous regional carriers, evalu
42 Bels13 : From this ExpressJet employee, thank you for your kind words and support. Right now, we need all the support we can get. Please forward your comments
43 Toxtethogrady : If I read the speculation correctly, unless CAL is gearing up to fly more 737's on its domestic routes, the airport that could lose out is their IAH h
44 Bels13 : Just to clarify, in order to get larger aircraft on property of any regional airline to fly under the Continental Banner, it would require CAL pilots
45 Garri767 : YES! this means IAH-AMA will most likely be served with 737 etc.!! I got sick of those erj145s!
46 Toxtethogrady : The airline with nine (count-'em, nine!) RJ roundtrips a day IAH-BNA is going to deign to fly a 737 IAH-AMA? Cool thought, but it will never happen...
47 HunUtazo : it's very simple, they're going to bring the feed in-house... and it's just the beginning.
48 Garri767 : 12 flights here a day IAH-AMA , and they were so overbooked yesterday , and they had a spare 737 so they used it on the route, :P believe me my best f
49 Post contains images Piercey : There goes the spotting, and when I thought it couldn't be any worse...... And why does everybody hate Embraer? Aircraft manufacture of the future! G
50 ContnlEliteCMH : Whaddya mean? Delta still flies a 732 there (or did until very recently). Isn't that variety? Oh, and BTW... GO BUCKS! See all you domers on Monday..
51 Post contains images Tornado82 : Runway length with enough fuel for IAH... especially on hotter days... and with a bit of density altitude as well. Talk to kcrwflyer for specifics. I
52 Post contains images Lightsaber : Agree. But I'm thinking they'll want a partner to assume the leases and then dump the RJ's in two years... I wish! But isn't there a scope clause? Wo
53 Antoniemey : Umm... they just got done making ExpressJet legally a separate entity from CO a few years ago, as I recall... so having just taken it "out" of the ho
54 Wukka : Don't hold your breath on that one. AMA is still quite "regional" to IAH. CVG is not, but the 135 that I flew in on last night brought me home from I
55 Tjwgrr : Ditto here- CO & ExpressJet are a great product- can't bear to think of Mesa, Skywest, or Air Whiskey CRJ's operating as CoEx....... ugh!!
56 Post contains images Falcon84 : After discussing this with some colleagues at work, most of us feel that, at this time, this is just some hard bargaining tactics by CO, to get XJT to
57 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Associated Press Continental Seen Giving Mesa Business http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/pro...p?feed=AP&Date=20051229&ID=5383028
58 Slider : Precisely....and I'll reiterate my point that the benefit to CO with this goes beyond strictly direct economic cost. It is a rare thing indeed in tod
59 Crash65 : I have worked for both, over the last 13 years, and I agree wholeheartedly with your posts. It's high drama time in the press to get labor to capitul
60 HunUtazo : express = anachronism feed will be done by mainline cal, incremental increases... more to follow.
61 KcrwFlyer : restriction on the XR is 13 seats, restriction on the 135 is 5 seats.
62 Slider : Your crytpic nonsense is getting old....
63 Ca2ohHP : Every regional has their challenges. I can't personally remember a pleasant time spent at gate F3 at KORD. If you actually look at their performance
64 TOLtommy : Funny, but the article doesn't support the headline. Could just as easily say "Republic", or "Skywest", in place of Mesa. Not yet. They've only gotte
65 Post contains images HunUtazo : Ha Ha Ha haaaa, Ouch....! ...more to follow.
66 Slider : Spam by any other name... If you possess inside knowledge, 1) you shouldn't allude to it, 2) you shouldn't tease with it either, hehe, and 3) it make
67 Garri767 : okay for those who keep mocking me, CO has been adding more flights all the time, id say about 4 737s would appeal to them more then 12 erj145s....but
68 Post contains images Antoniemey : Dude, what are you smoking? And where can I get some? ... More to follow.
69 Turnit56N : To everyone that's posted positive comments about ExpressJet, thank you! Our executives have often told XJT employees that our goal is to operate in s
70 RAMPRAT980 : Turnit56N, Spoken like a true gentleman. Its the dedication of CO's & COex's employees that have made it a winning combination. I hope it's just sabre
71 Diesel33 : Turnit56N, Amazing and well thought out post. I will right to CO today. diesel33
72 Post contains links ContnlEliteCMH : You can offer online feedback to Continental at http://www.continental.com/contact/customer/default.asp I just sent them a letter through that interfa
73 Post contains images Lightsaber : Thanks. That make a NWA dumping ground for ERJ's far less likely (in my opinion). Too many airlines in BK, makes me sad. Lightsaber
74 FlyXJT : No truer words have ever been spoken. I can honestly say that I have never seen any two companies that are completely separate but still such a famil
75 WesternA318 : My hat is going in for SkyWest to get the contract, and may Mesa be shut out of this! If Mesa gets anythign with CO, I'm going to have to start taking
76 Bluejackets : I assume your talking about gate A5A? "Expediting" seems more like extending... the wait on the ramp, which would be cool for me but not for most pas
77 Flyidaho : Being an ex-mesa dispatcher for 7 years I can tell you that right now mesa is hard up for independence Air. They tried a hostile takeover 3 years ago
78 Post contains images WesternA318 : Mesa is going to start Hawaii service? Good lord, with what? *trying to imagine flying to HNL from LGB in a CRJ*
79 Flyidaho : Mesa is going to start Hawaii inter-island service. Not from the mainland. They are going to allocate 4-7 CRJ200's to the service. It will be the firs
80 AirRyan : I must admit that I too have seen at NW that too many bean counters is not nescessarily a good thing for a commerical airline; sometimes you have let
81 SHUPirate1 : Mesa wants FlyI's Dulles slots? Skeen must be doing a pretty good scam job then, since there are no slots at Dulles!
82 Letsgetwet : I just had a great idea. We were discussing B6 operating at EWR. Apparently they are flying some Florida routes for as little as $39. Maybe they could
83 Flyidaho : Again-it comes down to money. While there is brand loyalty from the customers standpoint-from a business standpoint, he who can operate it cheaper is
84 Wukka : You're absolutely correct, but that doesn't mean that my fare and my mileage doesn't count. Dump ExpressJet, lose a customer... it's that simple. It
85 Ramper@iah : I hope ExpressJet stockholders sue the crap out of Continental for this. Continental gave birth to XJT and now they're trying to kill it. They've flee
86 MasseyBrown : I don't know. Is Mesa operating better than they used to? Since my earlier post in this thread, I've been reading up on them. UA, DA, and US recently
87 RAMPRAT980 : Yes we are. Thanks.
88 FlyHoss : Better than they once were? Yes, but based on both personal experience and experiences related to me, they're still far short of ExpressJet's level.
89 Lemurs : Wow, in a place laden with misplaced moral outrage and hyperbole, (A.net) I think you win the boobie prize for most misguided rant. Congratulations.
90 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : Eeew.....
91 Boeing Nut : Eh, I've seen worse.
92 Post contains images Tjwgrr : Looks are deceiving..... it's what's on the inside that counts...  [Edited 2005-12-30 17:39:57]
93 Apodino : Its a pretty good looking CRJ as far as I can tell. Don't count Air Wisky out of this. Yes it would be a bit costly to train pilots on the ERJ, that b
94 Post contains images Slider : Ditto that- great post, and I can assure you that the feeling--and respect--is mutual. Hey, when you have more beans going OUT the door than coming I
95 TOLtommy : Um..... I understand FlyI has parked a large number already, and sadly, it appears the remainder may be parked soon.
96 ContnlEliteCMH : Yes, it was gate A5A. What's funny is that one of those weeks they made us all stand in the elements to board because we were running behind. Once we
97 ContnlEliteCMH : Uh, because it pays *squat*. And if you don't think that money is a major part of "reward" then you differ from nearly everybody I know. See, I figur
98 A330323X : US certainly hasn't initiated or renewed anything with Mesa recently. In fact, they're getting rid of *all* of their Mesa flying. That being said, th
99 OOer : Im sorry but you're wrong. If Mesa got the contract you are right, but not if Skywest got it. Skywest recently flew under the continental banner out
100 Markus : I'll make this short...MESA are a bunch of WHORES...quality of service will go down the Sh!tter. My apologies...good luck XJTers. -Cheers
101 MasseyBrown : I thought there was some renewal of a Mesa/Air Midwest contract in August or Sept before the merger. You are certainly knowledgeable in US's affairs,
102 Apodino : Well lets see, I am single, I live with no roommate, and pay the rent and the other bills all by myself, not to mention student loans, and still am a
103 A330323X : The Air Midwest flying is indeed sticking around, it's the Mesa RJ flying they got rid of.
104 Tornado82 : 3 Letters: CRJ Until they get out-bid on the rest of their EAS... which is happening slowly but surely. Kinda felt nostalgic last night when I drove
105 Apodino : Why do you hate the CRJ so much? The ERJ is not much better. In fact, the ERJ is more cramped than the CRJ, and the cabin isn't as spacious. I can cr
106 ATWZW170 : If CO and OO have a great relationship, then why did they drop OO from their CO Ex flying in IAH and replace them with crappy Colgan? Apodino, Not tha
107 Apodino : FYI I am not a pilot, I am a dispatcher. You probably see my name on several releases for flights you do, and I may have spoken to you on the phone b
108 ChiGB1973 : Maybe FlyI can negotiate something in the next week. M
109 ATWZW170 : Oh god, please don't let that happen...just let them slip quietly into the night...the regional airlines need to be thinned out, too many!
110 Post contains images Gilligan : How many moons have gone by since CO talked about parking the 735's because they were cost inefficient? Not that many by my calendar so I'd be surpri
111 FCYTravis : Not to take this thread even further off-track, but where's the Mesa West-"East" 90-seater flying come in? Is it just contractually repositioned aircr
112 Ikramerica : where are your "facts" from? both are cramped. CRJ700/900 improved things, but the CRJ100/200 are not more spacious than the ERJ. And many like the E
113 Lemurs : No offense or anything, but the problem with radio is that it's a relatively dead medium now. People have so many places to get their entertainment t
114 Gilligan : No offense taken but good entertainment will always draw a crowd, especially when it's free. Back in the "old" days when the threebie rule was in eff
115 Antoniemey : Here in BNA they have 3 or 4 different companies and some very good personalities... but then, what else would you expect in Music City? Bean counter
116 Luv2fly : I have to agree with the above! It is hard to tell the difference between mainline and regional when it comes to Continental, now other carriers it i
117 Tornado82 : Sorry for the late response... was AFK over the New Year. You work for AWAC, right? I've been on you guys quite a few times. OKC-ORD-ABE, IAD-ABE, an
118 Post contains links FATFlyer : How about a few numbers to help you guys. They are really not that different in terms of the seats. CoEx ERJ-145 31.0" pitch 17.3" width - 50 seats h
119 UN_B732 : If an airline has to assume the lease of those 69 aircraft, could it be Trans-States (TSA)? An operator of ERJs that could use the growth? Their prett
120 A330323X : It has nothing to do with the former USX-Mesa flying. They're birds from the HPX-Mesa flying that HP was obligated to keep; they then moved them out
121 Ikramerica : well, yes and no. there are only a few seat choices available for the ERJ, none of them as thick as a mainline seat for various reasons including cur
122 Tornado82 : And let's not forget those few old CRJ's AWAC still has floating around, with that hard blue vinyl seating. The vinyl itself is so hard it negates th
123 Apodino : Midway Airlines, JI, the one that was based in Raleigh-Durham with the F100's
124 Toxtethogrady : "Just to clarify, in order to get larger aircraft on property of any regional airline to fly under the Continental Banner, it would require CAL pilots
125 Toxtethogrady : "Now he's gone, and Larrys running the show - he's too much of a bean counter rather than somebody as calculated as between, but that's beside the poi
126 Toxtethogrady : "Hey, when you have more beans going OUT the door than coming IN, and it's costing far too many beans to fuel the planes, and more beans going to the
127 Toxtethogrady : "How many moons have gone by since CO talked about parking the 735's because they were cost inefficient?" The 735 is cost inefficient only because CO
128 ContnlEliteCMH : Sure you could. It's only been recently that I've made a lot of money. On a much smaller salary, I purchased two homes (and still own both), furnishe
129 Apodino : Perhaps you forget that people in my very position make over six digit salaries at many airlines.
130 Danny : Huh? All Continental wants from XJT is to pay rates for regional flying comparable to other carriers. If XJT does not want to accept it it's only the
131 Post contains links FlyXJT : XJTs rates are competitive to that of the other regionals - within $5 per block hour of most of who is going to bid on the flying. CO is looking right
132 Tornado82 : Good! Q-400's. Tons of routes out of EWR/CLE would be better (more efficiently) flown with those.
133 RAMPRAT980 : " target=_blank>http://expressjeteurope.com Wow if XJT expands into Europe and they still remain with CO, hopefully my pass travel privileges can be u
134 Toxtethogrady : "Huh? All Continental wants from XJT is to pay rates for regional flying comparable to other carriers." Continental birthed X-Jet, complete with the c
135 RAMPRAT980 : Ok folks this may be a dopey question but I felt that it should be asked. Since CO started XJT and then sold it off to raise some cash would it be pos
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