DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1988 times:
At one point they were the highest paid in the industry. Personally I agreed with the first pay cut since it would help keep them employed and could be seen as goodwill in supporting the company. I'm not so sure about the second cut though since part of me says the management weren't able to control costs so why should they go back to the pilots for more concessions.
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Bucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1931 times:
Quoting Air380 (Thread starter): "Their average salary of about $170,000 a year will now fall to about $146,000. "
yeah, love the quote about average salary being 170 per year. That comes from a company memo and it was based on the quarter before our last pay cuts took effect. Nice spin.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1894 times:
Quoting Bucky707 (Reply 2): That comes from a company memo and it was based on the quarter before our last pay cuts took effect. Nice spin.
Interesting. You gotta love spin. Keep up the good work. I love flying you guys.
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Simpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1874 times:
Have many DL pilots been laid off or furloughed recently?
Assuming there have been, surely some DL aircraft which DL is trying to get rid of could be used in a charter division & laid off pilots could be offered employment at lower salaries in this low cost division, with the view to being remployed by DL mianline, when things get better.
Don't know how many flights DL has to HNL, but Australians are crying out for more services to the USA & not into awful LAX or SFO. HNL is perfect gateway & charter seems to best way to test the market without major commitment of resources.
Any comments especially by QL employess or DL pilots?
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1839 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1): I'm not so sure about the second cut though since part of me says the management weren't able to control costs so why should they go back to the pilots for more concessions.
Management's numbers were bullshit, they failed to account for all of the money realized from the first 1B cut. All they did with the first cut was squander it, then turn around and blame it all on fuel prices. Airline management worldwide needs to learn that the employees are not their personal ATM.
Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 4): Have many DL pilots been laid off or furloughed recently?
No, not for quite awhile- they're slowly bringing some back, I think there was around 600-700 guys still on the street however...down from 1200 back in 2003-ish. The company did want the ability to furlough whenever they needed to though, which was one of the things DALPA wasn't too fond of.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1829 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 6): Management's numbers were bullshit, they failed to account for all of the money realized from the first 1B cut. All they did with the first cut was squander it, then turn around and blame it all on fuel prices. Airline management worldwide needs to learn that the employees are not their personal ATM.
Amen brother! Part of me wants to stop by the HQ building each week on my way to Hartsfield to smack some sense into the upper management. Kind of sucks for the pilots though getting stuck with a Catch-22 like this.
BTW...FLY NAVY!
[Edited 2005-12-29 06:30:12]
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Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 6): All they did with the first cut was squander it, then turn around and blame it all on fuel prices.
Alright Mr. Armchair CEO, where is your substantiation that they squandered it? Let's see your proof??? Obviously you think you could do better, so lets see your business plan.
Yes there is another posting... But it's also very interesting. Yes the 170.000 -> 146.000 $ pay is true. And they are still overpaid... But it is a nice step in the right direction. Now DL has a slightly bigger change of surviving.
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But it's also very interesting. Yes the 170.000 -> 146.000 $ pay is true. And they are still overpaid... But it is a nice step in the right direction. Now DL has a slightly bigger change of surviving.
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