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ATL - Any New Carriers On The Horizon  
User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Happy Holidays to all... just curious to know if anyone has any idea if any new carriers have Atlanta (ATL) on their radar for the new year? I would have to believe that ATL must be the largest airport in the world that is serviced by the fewest number of carriers? Just seems like carriers are continuing to decline here. We lost jetBlue and Corporate Air (which became RegionsAir who flew J-31s ATL-BNA) and reading into another thread looks like Independence Air will be gone in a few weeks too? Of course the "hometown" scheduled-charter, TransMeridien, failed a few months ago as well. Appreciate any updates out there. Happy New Year!


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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1606 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

Spirit is starting soon with, I believe, once daily to FLL. Rumors of jetBlue returning. Talk of Alitalia as well.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2925 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

I would guess Alaska might come to ATL. It seems to fit their eastward expansion strategy and I am sure they could be successful with 2 SEA non-stops. Just a hunch though.

User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Yes I forgot about Spirit doing the ATL-FLL run. Is it once a day? Wonder how that will play out seeing that DL and FL have such a huge market on that sector. As for B6...I personally hated to see them leave. I never understood why they did not start ATL-JFK? If they had started that with 5 or so daily flights that really would have been a hit! I would also LOVE to see AS start ATL-SEA and even ATL-PDX as there is NO competition on those segments nonstop. But I know that DL codeshares with AS on the ATL-SEA so I would be curious to see if that ever happens.

AS for International service, I wondered why AZ never started since they joined Skyteam. Wonder if OK would start ATL-PRG or any of the new "associate" members (COPA, TAROM, Kenya or Air Europa) would ever flew to ATL?



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2925 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5333 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 3):
But I know that DL codeshares with AS on the ATL-SEA so I would be curious to see if that ever happens.

AS jumped into the SEA-DFW market in spite of an AA code-share. If they see potential, they will enter the market with their own planes reagardless of a code-share.

Not sure about PDX-ATL though.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

When the East International Terminal is built, more international carriers may be attracted.

If the proposed South Passenger Complex is built (which IMO should be called the Z terminal), Airtran could move into there and more LCCs may take up the open gates.



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User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

Yes it will be interesting. Funny how the Cargo market is booming. LH and China Air Lines fly 747-400s and Cathay Pacific is starting service from HKG and DFW. Maybe the start of pax services with cargo testing the market first? Probably not since CX is oneworld.

I do hope that South African will not leave but am fearful they will in 2006 once they officially become a member of Star.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2925 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 6):
I do hope that South African will not leave but am fearful they will in 2006 once they officially become a member of Star.

I thought this was a done deal as they are returning to MIA?


User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 928 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

SAA did discontinue the CPT flights but still operate the JNB segment daily on A340-600s... one of the rare treats we see in ATL everyday. As far as I know they have not officially stated that they would discontinue ATL but have since opened up IAD so I figure it will probably be a given!  Sad


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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5116 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Thread starter):
Of course the "hometown" scheduled-charter, TransMeridien

Don't forget World  Smile
CX has already started ATL, it has been running for about a month now with pretty good loads in and out.

There has been an African International DC-8F here on and off for the past few mornings, no clue where its been going.


User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1606 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5073 times:

I've seen a CRJ-700 in full HP colors several times lately. I assuming its operating US Airways Express to PIT?

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6146 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5058 times:

Globalflyer: Actually ATL is high on Alaska's list of destination. AS is currently in a fleet capacity problem. But do not be surprised to see our Eskimo's in ATL, though I can not say if it will be in '06.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1606 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5050 times:

I've seen a CRJ-700 in full HP colors several times lately. I assuming its operating US Airways Express to PIT?

Never mind, I just looked it up. It's actually a CRJ-900 operated by America West Express to CLT. US Airways no longer flies ATL-PIT and operates only Express flights to CLT and PHL!


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5047 times:

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 10):
I've seen a CRJ-700 in full HP colors several times lately. I assuming its operating US Airways Express to PIT?

You saw a CRJ-900 then, HPX doesn't have any CRJ-700s.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5036 times:

Quoting As739x (Reply 11):
But do not be surprised to see our Eskimo's in ATL, though I can not say if it will be in '06.

But who'll start ATL-SEA-ATL first, AS or FL?

As for potential new carriers into ATL, one that immediately jumps to mind is Virgin America if they really do start service (which looks to be a good in 2006). Anyone else think that WS could potentially start service to ATL as well? And with MX now under new ownership, anyone think they may start service here as well?

As for international carriers, who really knows. AZ has been long rumored, as has SU. If LHR opens up for more US cities and or carriers, perhaps we may see VS or BD start service (I still think that BD or VS should start ATL-MAN service, as DL has a monopoly on the route.).


User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5036 times:

With Alaska on the Delta alliance program, it seems only right that they start coming into KATL soon.

I know this will probably never happen, but I would love to see Virgin Atlantic send a daily flight into KATL. British Airways has one flight a day (777) Gatwick, and Delta has a few flights (767-300ER) Gatwick as well.

If I were booking, I'd much rather fly a Virgin 747-400 than a Delta 767-300ER every day of the week and twice on Sunday.  Smile

Just my humble opinion.


User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5019 times:

What other airlines should come here? If not for an oversized Delta hub and a moderate sized AirTran hub, Hartsfield would be no more than a spoke airport commensurate with the size of the metro area.

-=MarkATL=-



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User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5006 times:

It would be great if United merged with Delta and took ATL - then you would get some cool traffic in there.

But it looks like United and Continental are going to marry and Delta and Northwest as well.

The Delta and Northwest merger will surely make Atlanta a more exciting airport to spot at.

Gotta love watching old DC-9's and RJ's takeoff and land all day.  Smile


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 3):
Wonder how that will play out seeing that DL and FL have such a huge market on that sector.

Actually, NK will be going more for the connecting traffic to the carribbean thru FLL as opposed to local traffic.... much the same way they will market DFW.



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User currently offlineUcunnn From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 14):
And with MX now under new ownership, anyone think they may start service here as well?

As far as i know MX had intentions now under new management to get into route slike DFW-MTY and yes getting into ATL however, i am still not sure which route to start will be good for MX to ATL. I guess ATL-MEX is already well covered. Maybe ATL-CUN or ATL-BJX would be a nice choice for MX.


User currently offlineDb373 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 3):
I would also LOVE to see AS start ATL-SEA and even ATL-PDX as there is NO competition on those segments nonstop. But I know that DL codeshares with AS on the ATL-SEA so I would be curious to see if that ever happens.

Am I reading this right? DL runs five nonstops daily ATL-SEA and four nonstops daily ATL-PDX all on DL metal. How would that be no competition?



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4847 times:

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 16):
Hartsfield would be no more than a spoke airport commensurate with the size of the metro area.

Huh? We're the 8th largest metro area in the US. We should get more flights here from international carriers for one thing. Domestic traffic, who knows? Alaska may come to town but JetBlue will get hounded by DL and FL on price to protect what they have at ATL. All the other big carriers in the states come to ATL so not much there. What about WN? Clark Howard yammers on about the "Other Atlanta Airport" over in Birmingham to ride them but will they ever try Atlanta?

I hate to see SAA go but why to MIA if they are joining Star since that is OneWorld territory? Other than a few hundred miles closer to Africa it doesn't make too much sense to me.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 3):
I wondered why AZ never started since they joined Skyteam.

Alitalia has a small and highly utilized long-haul fleet. It makes no sense to fly to Atlanta when Delta is already offering non-stops between Atlanta and three Italian cities. Instead, Alitalia can use their resources to fly to other non-DL hubs, like Washington Dulles and Miami.

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 3):
Is it once a day? Wonder how that will play out seeing that DL and FL have such a huge market on that sector.

It is for Caribbean traffic, not local traffic.

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 8):
As far as I know they have not officially stated that they would discontinue ATL but have since opened up IAD so I figure it will probably be a given!

While no timeline has been set, yes, SAA will eventually leave Atlanta. It can be as soon as this summer, or it may even be another 18 months.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 21):

I hate to see SAA go but why to MIA if they are joining Star since that is OneWorld territory? Other than a few hundred miles closer to Africa it doesn't make too much sense to me.

Miami-South Africa has over 200 daily O&D passengers and Miami is the third largest USA-Africa travel market after New York City and Washington, D.C. Their tentatively planned return to the MIA market is to cater to local demand and doesn't have anything to do with alliances or feed.



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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Quoting Goomba (Reply 17):
But it looks like United and Continental are going to marry and Delta and Northwest as well.

Where did you get this from?



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User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4811 times:

Quoting MarkATL (Reply 16):
If not for an oversized Delta hub and a moderate sized AirTran hub, Hartsfield would be no more than a spoke airport commensurate with the size of the metro area.

An astute observation of the obvious, though perhaps at a larger scale than you imply.


25 DeltaGator : Don't egg him on. He's just stirring up craziness. Interesting. I never realized that Miami had that much traffic to Africa.
26 Apodino : I was about to question why USAirways pulled mainline service entirely out of ATL. But then I realized that with the merger, they still have mainline
27 MarkATL : My point is that Atlanta is served by all the major national and regional carriers. The ones that don't i.e. Southwest, JetBlue, etc. don't serve ATL
28 Post contains images Alitalia744 : AZ is stretched for long-haul for now. Look for that to change soon when they place an order for 787s...
29 MarkATL : Temporary case of the stupids....I of course meant Dubai.
30 Tuffer : DL should start a ATL-YYC service and bring DL mainline service back to calgary!
31 Wedgetail737 : Both Air Tran and Alaska have 737's moving through the line. I think it's just a matter of time which airline will move into the SEA-ATL market first.
32 Skymileman : Delta's ability to push B6 out probably really put the damper on any plans by other airlines to try ATL
33 Fewsolarge : Agreed.
34 B752OS : I don't see how those small O&D numbers will be able to support a daily flight.l You claim they are only catering to local demand and without feed th
35 Misbeehavin : Not quite 500, but 2-- is hardly enough. And it's not like they're gonna get any feed from their Star partners at MIA either. How many flights do AC
36 Globalflyer : Cool. thanks for the posts. Sounds like from our AS friends on A.Net that Alaska Airlines may be the best possibility to land in ATL in the near futur
37 MAH4546 : SAA plans to offer three weekly flights to MIA on A340s. Combined with SAA's strong interline agreements which will create connections regardless of
38 EddieDude : It is true that some unconfirmed rumors about MX flying to ATL have surfaced in the past, but the truth is that it seems highly unlikely. MX is think
39 Srbmod : The FL and DL vs. B6 thing didn't stop too many carriers from entering the market. Look at Independence Air. They originally planned to pretty much r
40 Ucunnn : But Eddie, that sound slike if MX would make regret AM or anyother mexican carrier for flying into ORD, Bay Area, or even MIA. MIA useed to be a MX h
41 EddieDude : The reason why AM quit ORD in 2003 or 2004 was precisely that it could not compete with MX (the market leader between Mexico and ORD) and ORD's domina
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