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InterJet To LAP And LAX!  
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

According to the follwing article:

http://elobservadordiario.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1545 (Spanish)

The airline is due to start by February '06 a new 4X TLC-LAP and 3X LAP-LAX once they get more buses... IJ is going over JR's market!!!


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
IJ is going over JR's market!!!

Totally agree. The new Mexican LCCs are going to go after the weakest competition (Aerocalifornia). JR is going to need a lot of luck to survive this year. What can possibly save JR now? They'll be like Independence Air, on a day to day basis.

As far as Interjet coming to LAX, 'WELCOME'.


User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Great news!

Too bad JR might be affected since it's quiet a unique airline.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4104 times:
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It's good to see more Mexican airlines entering the US markets. I wonder if Interjet would look at serving OAK in the SF Bay Area in the next few years.

User currently offlineEdelag From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
I wonder if Interjet would look at serving OAK in the SF Bay Area in the next few years.

I doubt it will happen, if Interjet gets enough passengers from Mexico City to fly out of Toluca then maybe they can go on to OAK or SFO.



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 2):
Too bad JR might be affected since it's quiet a unique airline.

You are right about it...

They are very unique in their marketing and sales strategies.

Very unique in their corporate vision.

Very unique in their conservatism.

Indeed, very unique in the way they are bound to disappear !

... I am happy for Interjet and for us the customers alright !

Regards



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User currently offlineSkyone From Mexico, joined Feb 2001, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 2):
Great news!

Too bad JR might be affected since it's quiet a unique airline.

I personally think IJ isn´t going just against JR, it is going against everyone. If they see a profitable route they will surely be flying it. I am also glad that we now have a new airline with low fares. I am reading the Ryanair book and understanding a lot more how they entered the European market and I am starting to understand a lot of things and some might as well apply into the mexican market. But I see IJ at least knows what it is doing and that is great news. I would say all airlines should be worried of IJ.


User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6360 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4056 times:
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I believe we are getting ahead of ourselves. The Mexican market cannot support so many airlines. Even if there is a Southwest effect of market creation. How many airlines that appeared in the US post-deregulation era are still flying? I think none.

The Mexican airline industry is going to go into a period of consolidation with buyouts, mergers and even downright bankruptcies. It's hard to say who will make it and who will not.

Don't underestimate JR, they have a lot of experience in survival mode, plus, their brandloyalty is pretty high in the Northwest part of the country.


User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
The Mexican market cannot support so many airlines.

You are absolutely right. We are just about to start witnessing a " cleansing " process in our airline industry. The whole thing is getting really interesting !

Regards



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
The Mexican market cannot support so many airlines.

This is excatly why I think JR's days are numbered.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
Don't underestimate JR, they have a lot of experience in survival mode, plus, their brandloyalty is pretty high in the Northwest part of the country.

Yes, agree. They have many loyal customers, not just in the North, but in Mexico city as well. And that's their problem, they are counting on those same, financially challenged customers to always come back. That could be the reason they don't have a website. Their model is "who needs newer aircraft and a website, just put up specials, and passengers will come back. Difficult way to make it in this environment. (just my opinion)


User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3195 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
How many airlines that appeared in the US post-deregulation era are still flying? I think none.

America West started after deregulation, but now that they've acquired US Airways their history can be traced quite a bit further back.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4010 times:

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 2):
Too bad JR might be affected since it's quiet a unique airline.

Indeed! Quiet a unique airline, so unique that they don't even have a site... Why? Because they perfectly know well Mexico's reality and % of sales via internet of MX and AM. They don't need to worry...

IJ and other competitors will strongly need Travel Agencies as in Brazil with JJ, truth JJ 88% of it's bookings come from the Internet but almost an 85% is done via Travel Agencies.

JR's weakness is it's aging and THIRSTY fleet... nothing else!!! The rest is ok.

Quoting Skyone (Reply 6):
I would say all airlines should be worried of IJ.

No. Of all new comers, current airlines should be afraid of and in the following order:

1. Volaris México
2. GOLMex
3. IJ

Volaris just ordered 16xA319s to begin with (and I'm sure that in a moment we will get tired of all the noise by Televisa and Slim all over Mexico and later todo México es territorio de Volaris), contrary to IJ which took from the SH market 7xA320s and slowly they will boost it's fleet to the end of 07 with it's 10xA320s, but consider that GOLMex has all the experience and tips from Brazil which has similar conditions to the mexican market.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 7):
The Mexican airline industry is going to go into a period of consolidation with buyouts, mergers and even downright bankruptcies. It's hard to say who will make it and who will not.

Mergers? Who could merge?

I can only think on Global Air, Nova Air, AeroTropical and Republic Air making a strong charter carrier and then, those charter carriers could merge with Magnicharter... but that's about it...

Perhaps GOLMex with ZE... but still to early to say that....

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User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11):
I can only think on Global Air, Nova Air, AeroTropical and Republic Air making a strong charter carrier and then

I know this is not the thread about Predictions and wishes for 2006, but let me tell you guys, none but probably one of the above will make it through 2006.

Tough business, this has never stopped being a jungle.

RM  Smile



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User currently offlineBGOODAM From Mexico, joined Apr 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting Skyone (Reply 6):
personally think IJ isn´t going just against JR, it is going against everyone. If they see a profitable route they will surely be flying it. I am also glad that we now have a new airline with low fares. I am reading the Ryanair book and understanding a lot more how they entered the European market and I am starting to understand a lot of things and some might as well apply into the mexican market. But I see IJ at least knows what it is doing and that is great news. I would say all airlines should be worried of IJ.

Don't lower fares mean more people to travel, don't it mean more flights, fuller flights, more travel therefore more business for everyone? I think negative people like Skycone here are just waiting for someone to go under maybe that's his wish fo 2006, buddy get a life. 40 low fare planes from now till 2010 are not going to effect the market that much, sorry to spoil your wishes.


User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 14 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 3):
I wonder if Interjet would look at serving OAK in the SF Bay Area in the next few years.

After studying their business model, I can tell you: If there's a penny to be made, they will go into any CA/NV/NM/AZ/CO/OK/TX/IL/NY/NJ destination they can.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 5):
... I am happy for Interjet and for us the customers alright !

Same here.

Quoting Skyone (Reply 6):
I would say all airlines should be worried of IJ.

This business model is flexible enough to get bites out of every carrier around, but will not kill anyone in particular. For now, it has forced AM and MX to reset their handling of the TLC market through Aerolitoral and Click... And that, right upon starting operations.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 11):
Volaris just ordered 16xA319s to begin with (and I'm sure that in a moment we will get tired of all the noise by Televisa and Slim all over Mexico and later todo México es territorio de Volaris), contrary to IJ which took from the SH market 7xA320s and slowly they will boost it's fleet to the end of 07 with it's 10xA320s, but consider that GOLMex has all the experience and tips from Brazil which has similar conditions to the mexican market.

Volaris order has a caveat; a clause that allows to immediately cede rights and obligations to a leasing company should the company decide to. The leasing company has pre-accepted this condition. Interestingly enough, Pedro Aspe has been voicing to the four winds the Mexican government is not setting forth the conditions he needs to run his airline and thus there may not be even a Volaris maiden flight. He is playing his cards well, putting pressure on the government, albeit the calendar does not favour him by a lot; barely six month to election day. If A Volar doesn't go through, Carlos Slim has a second card to play; a back-up plan... through his close friend and collaborator, Fernando Chico Pardo (yes, Jaime's brother).

Talking about advertising... MTY boasts a ton of street advertising by AM/5D regarding the new MTY-TLC flights... "como tu quieres" is the motto.

About "GOLMex..." Fernando Chico Pardo announced on 12/7 the new airline will not be named GOL... is a smart guy -he seats in Grupo Carso's Board of Directors adn directs ASUR-, and given the case will be backed by Slim (if Volaris doesn't fly, that is), but "Non-GOLMex" airline's business model is quite different from Interjet's. To begin with, its hub and major business is still likely to be CUN, so the more directly concerned would be... Mexicana. GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes will only own 25% of the controlling stock and up to 47.5% of the airline.

Notwitthstanding all the foregoing, it will be interesting to see what the presidential candidates stance is with reference to the development of Mexican aviation... So far, the only one who seems to have a faint interest in this agenda is PAN's Jelipe; but neither PRI's Bobby Punch nor PRD's El Peje have even mentioned the topic... I just hope they don't mess with it...

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[Edited 2005-12-30 21:21:31]


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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 14):
I just hope they don't mess with it...

You´re not the only.....

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 14):
For now, it has forced AM and MX to reset their handling of the TLC market through Aerolitoral and Click... And that, right upon starting operations.

Indeed, also count that Interjet affected the operation of Click in TLC (the inaugural flight to CUN-HAV), now MX is really pissed.

Feliz Año a todos.



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