Checo77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 9 Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3182 times:
CSA annouced that they will fly back to Newark as of 19.5.2006 three times a week in Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. Equipment will be A310, the only longhaul plane in CSA fleet.
Another new is that CSA is ending the codeshare with Swiss International Air Lines as of 25.3.2006. The three LX flight to ZRH will only be served as "LX" and only two flight (operated by CSA, duhhh) will be served as "OK".
Good and bad news. Glad to see CSA back in EWR but it hurts to see go away a codeshare.
Wishing you the best to 2006,
Adam
Aisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 757 posts, RR: 11 Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3122 times:
Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter): Glad to see CSA back in EWR but it hurts to see go away a codeshare
If they go to EWR, the DL codeshare on the PRG-JFK will also go...
Think positive. Maybe CO put its code on PRG-EWR. Will it cheer you up?
And about c/s changing because of alliance movements... (sorry if this lowers your mood)
I don't know how long it will last... but MAD-PRG and BCN-PRG IB codeshares on CSA will surely go away too
These flights are useless for feeding the Iberia's longhaul routes.... Air Europa and CSA are being alliance partners soon and UX already serves PRG and the IB agreement seems to be block-space (the price on IB flight is 3 times the OK flight). Also IB and OK are going to be localed really far from each other in MAD in a month....
so i just suppose the UX agreement is a more "natural" one... time will tell
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3083 times:
OK is a member of SkyTeam and JFK and EWR are both SkyTeam hubs but EWR is a much bigger hub for Continental. JFK is more than a focus city but not a hub for Delta. There are many more connecting opportunities at EWR than JFK, so it makes sense.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7713 posts, RR: 55 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3046 times:
Where else do CSA fly the A310s? I gather from this thread that they stopped flying the North Atlantic for a while, and presumably they are now back. Which is great, I like Eastern Europe and it's nice to see their airlines do well and fly the flag in NY or Bangkok etc. So they must have other uses for the planes.
So where else gets the A310? AFAIK they don't do SE Asia so is it Dubai? London?
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Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3028 times:
Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 2): OK is a member of SkyTeam and JFK and EWR are both SkyTeam hubs but EWR is a much bigger hub for Continental. JFK is more than a focus city but not a hub for Delta. There are many more connecting opportunities at EWR than JFK, so it makes sense.
Per the SkyTeam website the offical SkyTeam hubs are:
I think it's quite obvious that there are plenty of connections from JFK to almost all major markets. The biggest missing markets from that list are DFW, PDX, DEN, PHX, and SAN. Otherwise, most bases are covered.
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2985 times:
The following is a list of Sky Team JFK Domestic Non Stop Destinations:
Continental Airlines
-Cleveland
-Houston
Delta Airlines/Delta Connection/Song
-Atlanta
-Austin
-Baltimore
-Boston
-Charlotte
-Chicago.ORD
-Cincinnati
-Columbus
-Detroit
-Ft Lauderdale
-Ft Meyers
-Indianapolis
-Jacksonville
-Las Vegas
-Los Angeles
-Louisville
-Melbourne
-Miami
-Nashville
-Orlando
-Palm Beach
-Pittsburgh
-Raleigh
-St. Louis
-Salt Lake City
-San Antonio
-San Francisco
-San Juan
-Seattle
-Tampa
-Washington D.C.
Northwest Airlines
-Detroit
-Minneapolis
So the presumption that New York.JFK is inferior to domestic connections is widely lost on the ideals of misconception. True JFK is not Newark, however, there are more than enough connections for Sky Team passengers in the JFK market.
Kahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2963 times:
Quoting RwSEA (Reply 6): I think it's quite obvious that there are plenty of connections from JFK to almost all major markets. The biggest missing markets from that list are DFW, PDX, DEN, PHX, and SAN. Otherwise, most bases are covered.
BUR is served by Jet Blue
DFW is served by American Airlines
PDX is served by Jet Blue
AUS is served by Jet Blue
RIC is served by Jet Blue
ROC is served by Jet Blue
SYR is served by Jet Blue
BUF is served by Jet Blue
DEN is served by Jet Blue
OAK is served by Jet Blue
ONT is served by Jet Blue
PHX is served by America West Airlines, and Jet Blue
SAN is served by American Airlines, and Jet Blue
SEA is served by American Airlines, and Jet Blue
SJC is served by Jet Blue
SMF is served by Jet Blue
Proof in point, JFK does have the domestic route system covered, and very impressively at that.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4590 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
Quoting Aisak (Reply 1): If they go to EWR, the DL codeshare on the PRG-JFK will also go...
Why? I don't believe they are dropping JFK because of this; 3X EWR is in addition to the JFK nonstops.
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 4): I gather from this thread that they stopped flying the North Atlantic for a while, and presumably they are now back.
No, OK has maintained JFK and YUL services; only EWR-PRG was dropped for the past few months.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2879 times:
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 4): AFAIK they don't do SE Asia so is it Dubai?
They fly to CMB via DXB (used to be extended all the way to MLE), but they will axe CMB soon. Not smart decision if you ask me (the present CEO of CSA is an idiot so what else to expect), year after tsunami the tourism in Sri Lanka is picking up and they're pulling out.
They also use two of its A310s for charter flights down to Fortaleza, Brazil and Porlamar, Venezuela
Quoting Checo77 (Thread starter): The three LX flight to ZRH will only be served as "LX" and only two flight (operated by CSA, duhhh) will be served as "OK".
That sucks. The LH codeshare was also great, offering good connection to MUC and FRA. Well, if you are technically "under siege" of STAR flag carriers it's hardly surprising.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2874 times:
As a side note, who else is flying the A310 across the pond besides CSA?
Proof that airport codes are the hardest thing in the word to change: LED, the code for Leningrad, even though that name technically hasn't existed in a while. Heck, Beijing is PEK for Peking, which it hasn't been since the KMT fled mainland China in 1949!!
Best of luck to CSA!
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Checo77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2627 times:
Quoting Panamair (Reply 11): Why? I don't believe they are dropping JFK because of this; 3X EWR is in addition to the JFK nonstops.
You´re right. CSA is not dropping JFK. They actually never stopped flying to JFK. They dropped EWR for 7 months only (have no idea why they did this, it makes no sense).
Regarding CMB., I thinks its stupid (as Let410Turbolet said) to drop it now, when tourism is starting to grow in Sri Lanka. Well, from Tvrdik you never know...
Regards,
Adam
Aisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 757 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
Quoting Checo77 (Reply 16): You´re right. CSA is not dropping JFK. They actually never stopped flying to JFK.
Yep.. sorry folks, my mistake... I looked up the timetable for this week and JFK is operated Monday, Friday and Sunday instead of daily as ussual... I thought it was only 3x weekly and as the EWR route is to be 3x weekly..... that was my mistake...
But there's something i don't get... Why would CSA (a small airline regarding long-haul) serve NYC 10x weekly into two airports? Wouldn't be wiser to fly into EWR or JFK but not both?
Checo77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
Quoting Aisak (Reply 17): But there's something i don't get... Why would CSA (a small airline regarding long-haul) serve NYC 10x weekly into two airports? Wouldn't be wiser to fly into EWR or JFK but not both?
There are lots of Czechs living in New Jersey as well as in Long Island and Connecticut. So both airports can fill a A310. Also, there are lots of premium travelers to NYC or from USA to PRG (which is going to be in the near future an important financial and bussines center in Europe).
I still think CSA would fill planes to ORD and they should drop instead YUL. People from YUL can drive to YYZ. YYZ can satisfy the Canadian market.
Hope to see also a longhaul fleet renewal soon. I will be between the 787 and A350, but since CSA is (still) a small airline, I think they will go for the 787.
regards,
Adam
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7713 posts, RR: 55 Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
Quoting Checo77 (Reply 19): I still think CSA would fill planes to ORD and they should drop instead YUL. People from YUL can drive to YYZ. YYZ can satisfy the Canadian market.
Have you ever driven from Montreal to Toronto? It's like, nine hours. You may as well say CSA can shut down and everyone in Prague can drive to Warsaw and fly LOT.
So give Montreal a red card and serve Chicago instead huh? I wonder where your US relative live?
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Checo77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2383 times:
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 20): So give Montreal a red card and serve Chicago instead huh? I wonder where your US relative live?
Every family memeber of mine lives in Czech Republic. I wish having a relative in the US.
I´m sorry for saying that. But why are you so agressive? I mean, I was an idea. A stupid one.
Adam
Myszek From Poland, joined Aug 2004, 20 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2297 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 14): Proof that airport codes are the hardest thing in the word to change: LED, the code for Leningrad, even though that name technically hasn't existed in a while. Heck, Beijing is PEK for Peking, which it hasn't been since the KMT fled mainland China in 1949!!
And why is it that you would like these codes to change? These two at least have historical background. Many airport codes in US and Canada have nothing to do with the city or airport name. Or at least nothing that a common person would see. On the other hands look at these codes as three character codes used in computer systems. Most travelers do not recognize them anyway. It's just us - maniacs...
Joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3128 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
According to SKyguide, CSA flies 3 weekly YYZ and 2 weekly YUL. I wonder why they do not combine both cities in a triangular flight. That way, they can serve both cities 5 weekly offering a lot more choice and only slightly less convenience. And like KL does at it's ariabian routes, by changing the triangle on certain days, they can even offer non-stops to both cities both directions for those who really prefer that.
25 CB777: I guess we wont see CO going to PRG as previously rumored.
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