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Speedbird 116 Engine Fire At JFK Right Now!  
User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 44
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20780 times:

http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1398

British Airways flight 116, a 747-400, has experienced a fire in engine number 2 after takeoff from runway 31L at approximately 2325 lcl. The flight landed safely on runway 31L some 20 minutes later and was inspected by fire services on taxiway papa.

It is has taxiied back to T7 to offload passengers.

One fire bottle was fired and the immediate inspection revealed that "the core of the engine is gone".

Stay tuned to www.NYCAviation.com and the aforementioned thread for the latest details and an eyewittness account!

Brian

[Edited 2005-12-30 06:27:11]


What the FUTT?
40 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20671 times:

Another RR engine fart.....

Anyway not too dangerous as they are designed to operate on three. Hope a pax on that side had their video camera on!..... or the 1600 iso + on the DSLR  Smile


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20646 times:

Anyone catch the tail number on this one?


PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20646 times:

Oh come on, they could have made LHR easily on 3 engines!  duck 

User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20630 times:

DLKAPA,

Yeah... what's all the fuss about  Smile


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20610 times:

Blimey, these BA incidents seem to come in bunches! First the diversion to Cardiff, then the FCO incident, now this! At least all have landed safely!

User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20598 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 2):
Anyone catch the tail number on this one?

See post number 5: http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1398.



What the FUTT?
User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5854 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20518 times:

G-CIVE is the aircraft.

[Edited 2005-12-30 07:24:40]


a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlineBA0284 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20263 times:

Didnt spend much time in the air!!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW116

A couple of circles then straight in!

BA0284  Smile


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20221 times:

in case anyone asks for real why they didnt continue to england on 3...the answer is, a fire is too heavy a burden on any pilots mind for 6 hours across the atlantic, as well as the unknown damage it may have had on any components behind the wing


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20216 times:

Probably dumped a little fuel and then headed back for the airport.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBA0284 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20157 times:

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kjfk/JFK-App-Dec-29-05-2330.mp3

Hope that works. Thats only NY ARR/DEP, doesnt have the moment when it happened but it's got the aircraft decending and orbiting over the airport and the decent for ILS 31L. Can't seem to get the Twr archive off liveatc.net.

Not quite 2 people on boards for this flight, 302 this time. They had 285 Tonnes of fuel on board. Dont know in pounds, you do the math!!! Big grin

BA0284  Smile


User currently offlineBA0284 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20041 times:

Hold on...Hold on, i've found the JFK tower feed!!! It actually took off earlier than I imagined, about 23:24 ish, so i was looking at the wrong feed! If you go to about 24:00 minutes, the JFK tower controller first reports the fire and the other aircraft 'comment' on it later on. You can first hear the BA flight at about 20:35 mintutes (ish), and its cleared to take off at 23:00 minutes.

http://www.liveatc.net/.archive/kjfk/JFK-Twr-Dec-29-05-2300.mp3
Arr!! can't get the link working, anyway go to liveatc.net, Archive feeds, KJFK TWR, 23:00-23:30, and then click on the LISTEN button when it comes up.

Hope this is good!!

BA0284  

[Edited 2005-12-30 11:08:26]

[Edited 2005-12-30 11:08:47] Trying to fix the link

[Edited 2005-12-30 11:09:59] FIXED THE LINK!!

[Edited 2005-12-30 11:10:43]

User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2101 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19719 times:

Quoting BA0284 (Reply 11):
They had 285 Tonnes of fuel on board. Dont know in pounds, you do the math!!!

I can assure you they didn't have anywhere near 285 tons of fuel on board a 747!  Smile



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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19689 times:

Quote:
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * BA 116 -1 TH 29DEC
CITY INFO HOUR (LOCAL

JFK ESTIMATED TIME OF DEPARTURE 2250
LEFT THE GATE 2257
TOOK OFF 2323
DELAY LATE INCOMING AIRCRAFT
AIRCRAFT LANDED 2341
ARRIVED 0014
NEXT INFO WILL BE AT 0500
DIV LHR JFK
AIRCRAFT DEFECTS
PASSENGERS ON BOARD (295)

ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 1016 LHR
ESTIMATED TIME OF ARRIVAL 2350 JFK

Not due to arrive into LHR till 2350 this evening now!

7L



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User currently offlineFlyMeToTheMoon From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19589 times:

Not a good week for BA with all the incidents they had. Good thing everyone is OK.


Fly me to the moon... but not through LHR!
User currently offlineBA0284 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 18871 times:

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 13):
I can assure you they didn't have anywhere near 285 tons of fuel on board a 747!

That's what the captain of the flight said when the JFK controller asked how much fuel in pounds he had, and the captain answered in tonnes. (First link i posted, 7 minutes onwards.)

BA0284  Smile


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 17946 times:

Quoting N754PR (Reply 4):
DLKAPA,

Yeah... what's all the fuss about


I was the eyewitness to the event, my full account is here http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1398
but I can tell you that even I had to do a double take with all the flames and spark contrails coming from that engine. It was not until well after the turn over Breezy Point, Rockaways that the fire was put out. It definitely stopped traffic and people got out of there cars because to the casual person, it looked more than a simple engine fire.

[Edited 2005-12-30 15:21:19]

User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17300 times:

Quoting N754PR (Reply 1):
Another RR engine fart.....

It looked more like a big time irregular bowel movement than a fart.  Wink


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17183 times:

Looking at that flight path, I can't imagine they dumped a lot of fuel...

How is this affecting BA's schedule? I assumed they sent these stranded pax to LHR a few hours later on the 747 that usually overnights and operates the morning departure to LHR? Or perhaps not?


User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 759 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 17039 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 19):
How is this affecting BA's schedule? I assumed they sent these stranded pax to LHR a few hours later on the 747 that usually overnights and operates the morning departure to LHR? Or perhaps not?

According to the morning news...the pax and crew from flight 116 overnighted in hotels and were scheduled to leave this morning.


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15501 times:

Thats a cluster of incidents with BA's RR engines on 744's bit weird, not implying anything but maybe an internal investigation should be undertaken?

User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14355 times:

Damm. Did not know it was so bad. But hearing the ATC, christ.

I hope this thing gets sorted, not really a good week for BA plane wise Sad


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3999 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 13):
assure you they didn't have anywhere near 285 tons of fuel on board a 747

JFK-LHR is more like 85tons.


User currently offlineFeroze From India, joined Dec 2004, 794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14154 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 23):
Quoting Gordonsmall (Reply 13):
assure you they didn't have anywhere near 285 tons of fuel on board a 747

JFK-LHR is more like 85tons.

I have no idea how much fuel is required, but on the audio the Captain/First Officer definitely says "285 ton(ne)s" after being asked for fuel remaining in lbs (to which he replies that he doesn't know about lbs!).

Regards,

Feroze


25 Gr8Circle : Notice that not a single person in this thread has made any comments about the quality of BA maintenance or such things.....quite rightly so, I would
26 GDB : But wasn't the CWL diversion the (belated) result of a bird strike?
27 Richard28 : Perhaps he was flying back to LHR with more fuel because of the current rationing situation at LHR? Can the B744 hold 285 tonnes? (Boeing website rep
28 Falcon flyer : As opposed to proceeding on a 10+ hour flight from LAX to LHR on 3 engines where they didn't make their final destination and had to drop in MAN ?
29 Frequentflyer : Well the silver lining is, a decently loaded 744 with #2 on fire during t/o and/or climb and then inop can very safely and promptly return to base. Go
30 TristarSteve : NO. 216840 litres at 0.8 s.g. is 173472kg. Which sounds about right to me. (I refuelled B744 all summer but never up to max)
31 Wrighbrothers : Well, it must have been seen fit by the JFK ground engineers, as they must have cleared it for flight. It had a bird strike on the way in, and maybe
32 Devil505x : I don't think anyone would have to ask for real. Duh!
33 Falcon flyer : Well yeah, of course they discussed it with ops. My point to the original post was sarcasm about the logic of not wanting to continue on a 6 hour fli
34 Gordonroxburgh : 285T is around Max Landing Weight of a 747, this is likely to have been the figure they have in the heads and erroneously gave to the tower...lots of
35 Post contains links Futterman : An AN124 arrived in JFK from EGSS this afternoon carrying a spare RR engine. See: http://www.nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1407 That makes per
36 RJpieces : Cool. Any word on how long until she is back in service? And has anyone been able to figure out how BA dealt with 250+ stranded passengers? Did they
37 NZ1 : Not a chance. NZ1
38 Andz : I just saw on Sky News that one of the British Sunday papers has a front page headline about concerns over BA safety, I'm sure maintenance will be lo
39 Post contains links Antiuser : I made a condensed version of the ATC chatter following BAW116 from ground to twr and ending right before landing, including ground calls to emergency
40 CO7e7 : Very Clear recording.. thanks for sharing !
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