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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4424 times:
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I just received my utilities account and with it was the newsletter of my municipality which includes Johannesburg International Airport within its borders. According to the newsletter JNB is to be renamed OR Tambo International Airport.

For those who don't know, and I guess this would include the vast majority of passengers arriving here, Oliver Tambo was a contemporary of Nelson Mandela, he was president of the African National Congress for many years and to many here a hero of the stuggle against apartheid.

We actually have an official body here for place name changes! The airport used to be called Jan Smuts (in fact some road signs to the airport still bear this name) but this name disappeared some time back.

No date was mentioned for the name change and I'm not sure if the local municipality can change the name without it going higher up but they seem pretty confident it will go ahead, as it has the backing of our President.


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6865 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Rather than worry about the name, they should do something about the dreadful queue at international arrivals. Allow a good hour before you hand someone your passport!  Sad

User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Rather than worry about the name, they should do something about the dreadful queue at international arrivals. Allow a good hour before you hand someone your passport!

Well, they are not bothered about the queue problems - just a few weeks ago, pax from a nigerian flight (amongst others) strolled through passport control because they were not staffed at all...

Don't expect much to improve...



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4347 times:
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And so the waste of taxpayers’ money continuous. Instead of spending the funds on much needed infrastructure in townships, where people are living below the poverty line in corrugated iron shacks, the ruling party decides to rather spend it on an airport name change - that is so insightful.
Coming from President Mbeki it is no surprise – after all, most members of the ANC Government believe that there is no link between HIV and AIDS.  sarcastic 


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User currently offlineEuclid From South Africa, joined Apr 2005, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

If I recall, the ANC wanted all airports to be named after the city they served. They said it made more sense than having an airport named after a person. This I agreed with.

Now they are throwing this policy into the water and renaming JNB after a person? Bunch of inept idiots.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 3):
Instead of spending the funds on much needed infrastructure in townships, where people are living below the poverty line in corrugated iron shacks, the ruling party decides to rather spend it on an airport name change - that is so insightful.

I would share this sentiment if it was not for the fact that these are the same people that keeps on voting the ANC clowns into power with every election.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4251 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 1):
Allow a good hour before you hand someone your passport!

An hour is a breeze compared to what I experienced at ATL and LAX, both times by the time I got to baggage claim the luggage from our flight was stacked next to the belt and another flight's baggage was on the carousel!



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4205 times:
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Quoting Euclid (Reply 4):
I would share this sentiment if it was not for the fact that these are the same people that keeps on voting the ANC clowns into power with every election.

I agree, but these fellow citizens are brainwashed in every possible way. They are uneducated with regards to politics and will believe every piece of propaganda that the "clowns" are feeding them.

I am getting of topic here....


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User currently offlineAfrikaskyes From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Pretoria first, JNB second. what next?

I don't see an agenda here. Not at all.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4017 times:
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Large cities like Johannesburg and Pretoria make international news, smaller cities and towns obviously not. As Andz pointed out, we have the South African Geographical Names Council, resorting under the Department of Arts and Culture.

http://sagns.dac.gov.za/

You don't see an agenda, I must be missing something....

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User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 6):
I agree, but these fellow citizens are brainwashed in every possible way. They are uneducated with regards to politics and will believe every piece of propaganda that the "clowns" are feeding them.

I don't think South Africa's situation differs that much from other nations around the world. Why, here in the USA, seems like we have an out of touch half of our population who believe the ill-advised agenda the corrupted govenment is trying to spoon-feed us.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3957 times:
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Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 9):
Why, here in the USA, seems like we have an out of touch half of our population who believe the ill-advised agenda the corrupted govenment is trying to spoon-feed us.

I agree 100% with you. I had quite a few laughs, talking to some US Citizens when I recently visited the US. Although the sad part is that we have a large chunk of people who can not even read or write - they are then bombarded with a choice of about 35 political parties who want their votes.


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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17330 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Who is Jan Smuts again? And while we're at it who is D. F. Malan (D.W.?)?


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3897 times:
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Jan Smuts

http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/people/smuts-j.htm


D.F. Malan

http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/people/malan-df.htm



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17330 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3866 times:

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 12):
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So are these two guys not PC anymore? Is it like having Atlanta named after a Confederate leader? I couldn't really tell from the links.



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3834 times:
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Basically all the major airports were named after political figures in the Apartheid-era. After the first democratic elections in 1994 it was decided that all airport names, resorting under ACSA (Airports Company of South Africa), would change to the respective cities they served. E.g. DF Malan Airport became Cape Town International Airport, etc.

This type of renaming suited all parties, but it seems as if the ANC and Government is reneging on this deal. You are spot on that DF Malan and Jan Smuts' names are no longer political correct.


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User currently offlineJambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3742 times:

Well, DAR ES SALAAM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT (DAR) was just last month renamed to MWALIMU JULIUS K. NYERERE AIRPORT.

Its named after Mwalimu J.K Nyerere the founding nation of United Republic of Tanzania.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3722 times:
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This is just an effort by the ANC to marginalise the European/colonial heritage from S Africa, and give the cities and airports African names, just like what Zimbabwe did after it's independance. It'will start with the airports, and will evetually move to renaming cities, provinces, states, and finally, the country.


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User currently offlineEuclid From South Africa, joined Apr 2005, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 16):
It'will start with the airports, and will evetually move to renaming cities, provinces, states, and finally, the country.

It did not start with the airports. Cities and towns have already been renamed. Although not yet official, Pretoria has been referred to as Tshwane for quite a while now.

Others include Pietersburg to Polokwane, Warmbaths to Bela Bela, Potgietersrus to Mokopane etc.

The Lowveld Province has been renamed to Mpumalanga.

Maybe, at one hell of a stretch of the imagination, places such as Louis Trichardt may not be politically correct to the government, even though he had absolutely nothing to do with apartheid, but Warmbaths? What the hell is offensive about that?


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17330 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Quoting Euclid (Reply 17):
Maybe, at one hell of a stretch of the imagination, places such as Louis Trichardt may not be politically correct to the government, even though he had absolutely nothing to do with apartheid, but Warmbaths? What the hell is offensive about that?

India has done the same thing, which I think is a phenomenal waste of time, but whatever floats your boat...



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6865 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Wasn't JFK once called Idlewild? Then there's Paris CDG. And what about the laughable Ronald Regan International?! What next? Heathrow becomes Margaret Thatcher International?

I'm deeply suspicious of attempts to deify politicians in any country. Let's just stick to geographical names. They'll do just fine.


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3607 times:

I don't really care who they name the airport after. To me it's Jo'burg (International)Airport and I suspect it will always be known as that. Honorary titles are fine with me but rather meaningless. For you folks knowledgeable about JNB,what's the deal with the international terminal building,it just seems too small(not deep enough in the check-in area)? It's absolute chaos between 1800 and 2000 with everybody and their dog(families seeing passengers off)jammed into that area. Are there any plans for a new international terminal building?

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3604 times:
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Quoting PM (Reply 19):
Wasn't JFK once called Idlewild? Then there's Paris CDG. And what about the laughable Ronald Regan International?! What next? Heathrow becomes Margaret Thatcher International?

I'm deeply suspicious of attempts to deify politicians in any country. Let's just stick to geographical names. They'll do just fine.

Thank you! I could not agree with you anymore. BTW, welcome to my RR list  Smile


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3582 times:
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Quoting 9252fly (Reply 20):
Are there any plans for a new international terminal building?

A friend who works for a construction company that is currently busy with the upgrading of the apron has mentioned that they are tendering on a "midfield terminal project" for JNB. Makes sense, there are acres of wasted space out there between the runways.



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8047 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

So - Jan Smuts. Why are they changing the name? I Googled him and he seemed like an OK guy, only leader to sign treaties at the end of WWs 1 and 2, and a big advocate for the League Of Nations. Or was he a big racist and that was left off the biog I read?


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 19):
I'm deeply suspicious of attempts to deify politicians in any country. Let's just stick to geographical names. They'll do just fine.

Respect! It is a shame to rename any city-named airport after a political figure. Hope they abandon these plans in JNB.



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25 SA7700 : I have not seen the blueprint or a model of the future extensions. What I can tell you is that the A-apron is being extended, which seems to look lik
26 Andz : Cedarjet as far as I know Jan Smuts was an okay guy as politicians in South African history go, the name probably fell by the wayside as it was lumped
27 Atmx2000 : Actually, here in the USA we have half of our population believing the agenda that the biased news media and our transnational socialist elites are f
28 Post contains images JCS17 : I'm surprised the ANC didn't propose the name to be changed to "Robert Mugabe Int'l" in honor of their favorite dictator.
29 SA7700 : Thanks for that info Andz. I have always wondered why ACSA did not explore the idea of a midfield terminal. Hopefully they will have underground walk
30 Post contains images SA7700 : Now don't plant any ideas in their heads. They may actually go for it.... Rgds SA7700
31 PM : Getting a bit off topic (!), but I'd recommend Jan Smuts' home just outside Pretoria as a fascinating place to visit. He was a man of his time and pa
32 RedAirForce : Even in their craziest days I do not remember the USSR naming airports after the Stalinist leadership (cities ok, but not the airports); correct me if
33 Jaysit : Well, you'll only be happy if everything's named Botha International Airport or worse still, Strijdom International Airport. Guess those Afrikaaners
34 Jetjack74 : This is different though. Idlewild was just a nmae for the region it was in, had no real significance. But Jan Smuts is somewhat different. It's sugg
35 Jetjack74 : Not at all, I just think the name should stick.
36 Blast : Johannesburg International does well as a name. They should stick to that. And so many names are changing and have changed already.. It is a complete
37 PM : My point exactly. What was "wrong" with Idlewild? It described where the airport was located. Here in Zurich our airport is located in Kloten. Geneva
38 Post contains links SA7700 : The renaming of Johannesburg International Airport to Oliver R Tambo International is at an advanced stage. http://www.mweb.co.za/news/?p=top_articles
39 HS748 : I always think it's really naff to name airports after people.
40 Breiz : I assume that whatever the added name, Jo'burg will remain Jo'burg for the travellers.
41 Post contains images MBJ2000 : No Jo'burg will also change, two names are the best candidates: Noeato (North East Township) or Vereeniging. I guess the ANC will go with the first on
42 SA7700 : Personally I won't refer to JNB as Oliver Tambo International Airport, just like I don't refer to Atlanta International as Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson
43 VOYAGER : If memory serves my right, Jan Smuts was the person who started the South African Air Force - The same airforce that still serve our country today und
44 Post contains images SA7700 : In the eyes of the ANC, Jan Smuts = colonialism. What makes me mad is that the ANC reneged on a deal, brokered more than 10 years ago, that all ACSA A
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