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Passengers "trapped" For Ten Hours Onboard Plane  
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12256 posts, RR: 35
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 11886 times:
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(VG.no. Translation by me)
Trapped inside a plane for ten hours.
No food served for ten hours!


Already seven hours delayed, Lars Folke Nordmark and Aina Stock were trapped inside a plane at Kastrup (CPH) last night. Several passengers had claustrophobic attacks.

The couple's flight problems started already at departure from their vacation in Turkey. Nordmark told Adressa.no that the plane was two and a half hours delayed before it left Antalya (AYT).

With a Turkish pilot, the plane ended up in the snowstorm that has caused chaos in Denmark the last few days.

"With a Turkish pilot flying in the storm, there were some near-death experiences during the trip. There were a few very long landings" says Lars Folke Nordmark to VG Nett.

The plane landed at Billund (BLL) before heading to Kastrup.

"Here we had to sit and wait for one and a half hour. It was tense at time, but eventually it was more a feeling of apathy" says Nordmark on the phone from Copenhagen.

Complete chaos
Kastrup was closed due to the snow, and thus the couple and the rest of the passengers were trapped inside the plane on the runway in Billund, waiting for Kastrup to reopen.

There were children crying and ill-tempered passengers.

"We didn't get any service during all the hours we were trapped inside the plane, so it was about ten hours wihout food" says Nordmark.

When they arrived Kastrup at 23:45 (11:45 PM) they had to wait another 15-20 minutes for plow trucks to clear room for the plane.

The doors froze shut
The chaos was not over. The situation inside the plane got tense and several passengers had claustrophobics attacks when they were told the doors were froze shut.

"This was definately not a fun situation" says Nordmark to VG Nett.

Finally a tractor was able to open the doors, and at 02:00 (2 AM) last night, the Norwegian couple could finally put their feet on the ground.

"Now we're going to Kastrup to try and get tickets for a plane home" concludes an obviously tired Nordmark.





http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=111937 (Original article in Norwegian)



Now, obviously, it's no fun to sit on a plane for ten hours, but come on. Front page newspaper material? Must have been a slow news day. And comments like "the Turkish pilot" and "near death experiences" really aren't too bright.   

[Edited 2005-12-30 13:54:05]

[Edited 2005-12-30 13:57:55]


“Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, an
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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 11838 times:

My German is much better than any attempt at Norwegian. . . .

What carrier?

And I think it's decent front page news . . . inexcusable . . . completely.

Again, as I remarked in the thread about the BA flight sitting in Berlin for 7 hours . . . you'd think the carriers would learn.

I would NOT have sat there for 10 hours. You might have a different front page story had I been aboard.

Here's another thread from Berlin . . . same storm I guess??

TXL:Police Covinces BA Pilot To Deboard Passengers (by Pelican Dec 30 2005 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2005-12-30 14:01:21]

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12256 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 11737 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
What carrier?

Pegasus flight 942. Scheduled in at 18:30, arrived at 23:28.



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months ago) and read 11506 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
Finally a tractor was able to open the doors

... y-y-yeah .... !

Maybe it was used to pull the heater cart.



- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12256 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11329 times:
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Quoting LN-MOW (Reply 4):
Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
Finally a tractor was able to open the doors

... y-y-yeah .... !

Maybe it was used to pull the heater cart.

Hehe, something like that. I was kinda wondering too, how exactly the tractor did it  Wink



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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11222 times:

oh us damn turkish pilots and our bad weather flying....tisk to us...

what a moron....



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17671 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11179 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
"With a Turkish pilot flying in the storm, there were some near-death experiences during the trip. There were a few very long landings"

Maybe I don't speak Norwenglish but this makes absolutely no sense to me...how many times did they land?



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11123 times:

What a terrible article. It sounds like they were not actually 'trapped' for 10 hours, but rather flying around trying to get to their intended destination. The article sounds quite badly written and almost racist when referring to the 'Turkish' Pilot. If this made front page news then I'd rather not trust the source!

User currently offline747400F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11083 times:

The plane was supposed to fly AYT-BLL-CPH-AYT. It is a weekly charter flight for a cheapskate touroperator that does not want to pay for catering for it's guests, which the passengers knew before they boarded the plane. And with doors frozen how are the airline supposed to get food onboard?

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12256 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10627 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
Maybe I don't speak Norwenglish but this makes absolutely no sense to me...how many times did they land?

That was the quote from the dude. Now, my Norwegian friends will understand, due to the geography of where he was from  Smile  duck 

Quoting EGGD (Reply 7):
If this made front page news then I'd rather not trust the source!

Just Norway's largest newspaper  Wink



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10401 times:

Yeah not a nice experience, and i have had this same experience, was standing on a taxiway for 7 hours at DEN in a UA 744 going to Chicago, the wait was because of a storm over Chicago and they didnt even give us water.
Worst experience I have ever had on a Plane!

cheers Leo



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10194 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
With a Turkish pilot, the plane ended up in the snowstorm

That's stupid and very ignorant to say.... I don't think the pilot's nationality has anything to do with his decision making abilities.

Over and Out!


User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9711 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 11):
I don't think the pilot's nationality has anything to do with his decision making abilities.

i fully agree, but i was watching a German tv show regarding the crash of the Tu154 and the 757-200 from DHL over the bodensee, in that show Russian pilots said how still nowadays from the Communism in Russia pilots were used to making decision from theire commanders etc. and not using their instinct or personal decision, in the end this caused the crash over the Bodensee, because the russian pilot followed the instructions from the controller and not from his TCAS system in the plane, even though the controller was wrong, what im trying to say is that from some nations pilots make different decisions.

Im not trying to be racist in any way, so if you think my post is please tell me.

Cheers Leo



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User currently offlineClipperHawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I would NOT have sat there for 10 hours. You might have a different front page story had I been aboard.

Yes, and the headline would be "Alaskan Cop Arrested By FBI On Board Plane.

TSA anyone?

 Smile

On the ground pax need not be held for more than 3 hours. After that it is time to de-plane.



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User currently offlineBG777300ER From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2005, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9568 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I would NOT have sat there for 10 hours. You might have a different front page story had I been aboard.

hahahahah
Yeah, it doesn't seem very believable that they kept the passengers on the plane for 10 hours...

Quoting EGGD (Reply 7):
It sounds like they were not actually 'trapped' for 10 hours, but rather flying around trying to get to their intended destination.

I agree, it is more likely that this happend.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8846 times:

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Reply 13):
Yes, and the headline would be "Alaskan Cop Arrested By FBI On Board Plane.

More like:

Alaskan Cop is Hero! Frees Airplane Hostages!

And I would NOT pay for the slide that delpoyed either  snooty 

Ridiculous keeping pax on board for that long . . .


User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8620 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
I would NOT have sat there for 10 hours

And...what would you have done? What people don't understand is that if you pretty well say something that a f/a considers offensive, you will have some law enforcement agency up your ass!!!
Cheers,
Boeingfanyyz  airplane 



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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 11):
That's stupid and very ignorant to say.... I don't think the pilot's nationality has anything to do with his decision making abilities

Could not agree more. It almost seems to me from the newspaper qoute that "Turkish pilots simply seek those snowstorms so that they can trap their passengers for a grueling 10 hours on purpose." Insensitive and disrespectful. Racist too in my mind.

Quoting BG777300ER (Reply 14):
Yeah, it doesn't seem very believable that they kept the passengers on the plane for 10 hours...

So do we know if this really happened or if this is fact? One thing is to think, and one thing is to know fact apart from that belief. Norwegians should be no strangers to harsh climate conditions...even those that rapidly change and come as a surprise.

I have to call out to any Danish friend here......how prepared are you dealing with stranded passengers in a snowstorm? Does it take you 10 hours or so to rescue passengers from a "frozen" airplane that just landed at one of your airports?


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
Ridiculous keeping pax on board for that long . . .

Last time I checked, airlines didn't control the weather.

How long was this flight suppose to be?

-SOAC



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User currently offlineThereAndBack From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8219 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
The couple's flight problems started already at departure from their vacation in Turkey. Nordmark told Adressa.no that the plane was two and a half hours delayed before it left Antalya (AYT).

Many flights get delayed everyday all around the world they need to accept that fact and move on.

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
With a Turkish pilot, the plane ended up in the snowstorm that has caused chaos in Denmark the last few days.

Yes, they ended up in the snowstorm because the pilot was Turkish. I have no idea if this was mean to be racist but it really sounds like it.

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
The situation inside the plane got tense and several passengers had claustrophobics attacks when they were told the doors were froze shut.

How can the airline or the crew or the pilots help it if it's so cold outside that the doors freeze shut.

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
"We didn't get any service during all the hours we were trapped inside the plane, so it was about ten hours wihout food" says Nordmark.

Many Airlines these days don't serve food at all during flights. Pegasus didn't plan for the passengers to be on the plane for as long as they were stuck on board. And besides people can go a long time with out eating before they die.  bitelip 


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8167 times:

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 16):
you will have some law enforcement agency up your ass

Great, maybe we could swap humorous stories!

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 16):
And...what would you have done? What people don't understand is that if you pretty well say something that a f/a considers offensive, you will have some law enforcement agency up your ass!!!

Gotten off . . . I thought I made that abundantly clear.

Next question?

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 18):
Last time I checked, airlines didn't control the weather.

Listen - nothing to do with the weather. Everything to do with common sense. Sitting on the ground for ten hours (or 7 as in the other therad) is assinine. Period, end of story, no matter how you try to articulate it, it's assinine. Go ask your Daddy, SOAC, how long he would have kept his passengers hostage?

Quoting ThereAndBack (Reply 19):
And besides people can go a long time with out eating before they die

 sarcastic 


User currently offlineThereAndBack From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8130 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 20):
Gotten off . . . I thought I made that abundantly clear.

Next question?

So...what would you have done to get off? The doors were frozen shut.

Would you have stormed the cockpit and opened the window and just simply jumped out?

Or, would you break open a window or start kicking at an emergency exit until it finally broke?

Honestly, if you were on the plane I don't think you would have simply gotten off.


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 20):
Listen - nothing to do with the weather.

I know what you are saying, and if the pilot could have gotten to the gate and he didn't (I don't know the whole story, neither does anybody else) then he made a mistake. But, if the weather prevented them, then there is nothing you can do about it.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineScalebuilder From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8016 times:

Quoting ThereAndBack (Reply 21):
So...what would you have done to get off? The doors were frozen shut.

Why not pull the plane into a heated hangar and let it "thaw out" there? That would have made it possible for the passengers to likely leave in less than the 10 now "famous" hours.


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7972 times:

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 23):
Why not pull the plane into a heated hangar and let it "thaw out" there?

Riiiight. Hangar's are not like garages... you just can't drive into one. There are many complications involving that.

-SOAC



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25 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Don't be so mellodramatic . . . In all the hundreds of thousands of miles I've flown - and I do mean hundred of thousands - I have never seen a door
26 Scalebuilder : Aircraft in lots of pieces...yes I realize that. An empty spot somewhere? You make it sound impossible that this could even be likely. Maybe it is no
27 SonOfACaptain : They were not trapped, where they couldn't get out. Nobody knows the story here, so lets not make rash judgements here. -SOAC
28 Scalebuilder : I'm not. I asked in reply 17 of these facts. Still waiting for these if anyone out there have them.
29 SonOfACaptain : Oh no, no. I wasn't talking to you. I was just talking in general to everybody. -SOAC
30 ThereAndBack : I agree there had to be a way out no matter what was going on.
31 We're Nuts : "Aviation Fanatic Doomed Never to Fly Again"?
32 Ammunition : What are the safety issues regarding the jammed door? What if it was an emergency situation. If they were flying and landing as many times as they mak
33 Post contains images LTAC03R : Ummm... not quite... that accident has produced tens of pages of crucial lessons, mainly relating to CRM, TCAS and especially ATC. It certainly was n
34 747400F : Lets just get the 10 hours straight: The flight came from AYT to BLL that is approx 5 hours Scheduled turn around time in BLL for that flight is 50 mi
35 AJMIA : Well, if the passengers were on the ground at BLL why did they not just open the doors and let the people off into the beautiful terminal they have th
36 Fastenseatbelt : That is so true! I was "trapped" on an Emirates flight for 17 hours once and I didn't complain (to be honest I did enjoy it). Was a flight from DBX t
37 Vatveng : Sounds to me like they weren't trapped by frozen doors but by "procedure". Most airlines I have ever heard of have procedures about parking the plane
38 Greasespot : Actually hangars ARE like garages...Most airports if they have any kind of maintenae hangars also have line MTCE hangars that do not have aircraft in
39 KaiGywer : And, considering CPH is a SK hub, you can be sure they have plenty of hangar room. Now, would SK charge Pegasus for the warm up? Probably, but at lea
40 GVWOW : A possibly silly question, but would the heat of the engines be enough to thaw the back doors? (provided the engines where turned on and the doors whe
41 ZKSUJ : The article is basically saying that Turkish pilots are dangerous and not good at their professions. What the hell?????
42 Post contains images GVWOW : Oh I see, it's not the airlines fault but it is the Turkish pilot that caused all the horrible things... I find it disgusting that people can use such
43 Scalebuilder : I just wouldn't put too much trust into what you read in this newspaper article. My suspicion is that this newspaper is one of those typical tabloids
44 Mandala499 : That is so true! I was "trapped" on an Emirates flight for 17 hours once and I didn't complain (to be honest I did enjoy it). Was a flight from DBX to
45 Post contains images KaiGywer : My vote goes to the slow news day
46 Bicoastal : I would hazard to guess that the most irritated passengers were those that are smokers having nicotine withdrawal fits. Good time to quit smoking.
47 Pilotaydin : that's 2 of us....we can't join the EU now because we stock humans into airplanes... a big no no!! lol next time fly with some aliens
48 TK787 : I also had two similar experiences: 1. About 5 years ago,being stuck on the tarmac at JFK over 6 hours (we watched two full videos) on our way to Chic
49 Mandala499 : PilotAydin & LTC03... Glad U guys still got your humour! But I guess U better put agents in Scandinavia now to see if it's a slow news day there... if
50 Mika : Off topic but my firm belief is that if IATA would have enforced a worldwide standard for what to do in a situation where machine contradicts human d
51 Tod : Doubt that all the doors would be frozen. If so, how about the e/e bay hatch? It would probably be a bad choice, but I have considered getting off th
52 Post contains images Boeingfanyyz : OK, so you're saying that you would open the emergency exit door and hop on down that slide and then run out onto the runway (restricted area)? Where
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