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US And The LAS Hub: Ready To Go International?  
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8110 times:

It has occurred to me lately that US has "acquired" a hub in Las Vegas, one of America's premiere international destinations. Is it time for US to leverage this with nonstops to Asia and Europe from LAS? Seriously, every time I go to Vegas, I see lots of visitors from abroad, ready to spend a lot of money. Would nonstops to Tokyo, Taipei, London, or Paris and the like be a good idea?


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8085 times:

Nonstop LAS service hasn't always gone well for the companies providing it...

That being said, with the 350 coming along, who knows what they'll do.

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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8078 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
Would nonstops to Tokyo, Taipei, London, or Paris and the like be a good idea?

*ANA flys charters (once in a blue moon) to Tokyo and Osaka with the 747-400
*Condor flys nonstop to Frankfurt with the 767-300
*Japan Air Lines is one stop to Narita with the 747-400
*Philippines is one stop to Manila with the A340-300
*My Travel flys nonstop to Manchester with the A330-200
*Virgin Atlantic flys nonstop to London with the 747-400

FYI:

*CityBird used to fly nonstop to Brussels with the 767-300 and MD-11
*Korean Airlines filed for Seoul to Las Vegas in 1997, and never inaugurated service.
*Northwest Airlines used to fly nonstop to Narita with the 747-200
*Singapore Airlines used to fly nonstop to Hong Kong with the 777-200

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[Edited 2005-12-31 06:03:13]

User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8010 times:

But no substantial non-stop service. I think US has a better shot than other players in the market because they will actually have a hub there, offering connections to the rest of the country.


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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
But no substantial non-stop service.

Las Vegas is not a SFO, or LAX... But certainly its international presence is much greater than Minneapolis, St. Louis, Charlotte, Salt Lake, Denver, Portland, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh.

KAHALA777


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7986 times:

There's only one major bank at LAS, though, so they'd have to bring the international flights in and out with the red-eyes to have any sort of connections. The other problem is terminal space - rather, lack thereof. A and B are FULL UP during the night-flight bank.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7908 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 5):
The other problem is terminal space - rather, lack thereof. A and B are FULL UP during the night-flight bank

If I am not mistaken, wouldn't US Airways need to use the other terminal for these flights? I was under the (mistaken?) impression that the only FIS/customs facilities were in Terminal Two...



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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7897 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 6):
If I am not mistaken, wouldn't US Airways need to use the other terminal for these flights? I was under the (mistaken?) impression that the only FIS/customs facilities were in Terminal Two...

They are in the Charter/International Terminal, in addition does B or A gates have room for a A330?

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User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 5):
A and B are FULL UP during the night-flight bank.

Bingo! We've had to cut back on our schedule a bit because we don't have the gate space. We have a hard enough time begging for two gates a night from WN, and to throw in intl conx, we'd need to borrow 10 from them, not to mention the aircraft needed to supply these flights. Some MAJOR renovations would have to take place at McCarran if we want to be a significant intl destination.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7879 times:

I noticed the RDU red-eye went away  Sad


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 8):
Some MAJOR renovations would have to take place at McCarran if we want to be a significant intl destination.

is there anything physical that prevents these renovations/additions from occuring, or is it purely financial?



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6793 posts, RR: 32
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
I think US has a better shot than other players in the market because they will actually have a hub there, offering connections to the rest of the country.

The essential problem with this is the fact that LAS isn't well-located at all for connections to/from Europe; few people headed to any city east of the Rockies would be willing to backtrack from LAS unless the price were far under what every other carrier was offering. And you might as well send those passengers via PHL or CLT for the connections. It's not as poorly located for connections to and from Asia, but the lack of significant business ties between Las Vegas and Asia probably means they'd be almost wholly dependent on leisure traffic, which is often low-yielding.

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 8):
and to throw in intl conx, we'd need to borrow 10 from them, not to mention the aircraft needed to supply these flights. Some MAJOR renovations would have to take place at McCarran if we want to be a significant intl destination.

As others have mentioned, the bigger issue is the CBP facilities being in Terminal 2. Not terribly convenient for connecting passengers and you'd probably end up towing aircraft around.

Also, US doesn't have the aircraft needed to undertake a significant international expansion out of LAS, and they need to get to the point of making profits consistently before going on a big aircraft-buying spree.


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

One of the biggest problems with international service into/out of LAS is there is no yield. LAS is a leisure destination and extremely price sensitive. There isn't much high yield traffic on the route (F/J) and the Y fares are subject to extreme discounting.

So, it really boils down to a business decision by the airline to use the asset there or deploy it on another route and make more of a profit. Remember full flights don't equate with profitability.


User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7681 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 2):
CityBird used to fly nonstop to Brussels with the 767-300 and MD-11

In Summer '98 they flew to LAS only once-a-week and it was BRU-LAS-OAK-BRU. I flew the BRU-LAS-OAK on OO-CTQ, and have vague memories of clearing customs, having some time to kill, going to the main terminal via some kind of shuttle bus(?) to make a Run For The Border, then heading back via bus just in time to re-board our flight with our burritos and meximelts. For the LAS-OAK segment only pax flying on to BRU had assigned seats, the BRU-LAS-OAK pax had to wait for the outbound BRU pax to board and then had open seating around them. (Nowadays we wouldn't be able to do that, of course, since we wouldn't be allowed past security at the main terminal.) Even got a Las Vegas entry stamp in our passports.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 12):
One of the biggest problems with international service into/out of LAS is there is no yield. LAS is a leisure destination and extremely price sensitive. There isn't much high yield traffic on the route (F/J) and the Y fares are subject to extreme discounting.

So lets get this straight Virgin Atlantic dropped Chicago and Toronto to focus on Las Vegas, a city with no yields? Check Again! Las Vegas, has overtaken both Orlando and Chicago to be come the conventon mecca in North America.

Las Vegas McCarren International Airport
________________________________________


53,000,000 Passengers a year use the Las Vegas Airport

10th Busiest Airport in the World
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%2...iest_airports_by_passenger_traffic

-The rank was above JFK, Hong Kong, Denver, Phoenix, Houston, Orlando, Newark, Toronto, San Francisco, Miami, Philadelphia, Singapore, Seattle, Detroit, Bangkok, Minneapolis, Madrid, Peking.

2006 Las Vegas International Flights
********************************

AeroMexico : Guadalajara, Mexico City, Monterrey
Air Canada : Calgary, Montréal, Toronto, Vancouver
Air Transat : Toronto
Alaska Airlines : Vancouver
America West : Cabo, Calgary, Edmonton, Puerto Vallarta, Toronto, Vancouver
Aviacsa : Guadalajara, Mexico City, Monterrey
Belair : Zurich
BMI : Manchester
Condor : Frankfurt
Harmony Airways : Vancouver
Japan Airlines : Tokyo/Narita
Mexicana : Guadalajara, Mexico City, San Jose del Cabo
MyTravel Airways : Glasgow and Manchester
Philippine Airlines : Manila, Vancouver
Skyservice : Toronto
Virgin Atlantic : London/Gatwick
WestJet : Calgary, Edmonton, Kelowna, Toronto, Winnipeg

Expansion Plans
****************

1/Consolidated rent-a-car center (estimated opening, mid-2006)
2/Baggage claim - Terminal One - new baggage claim devices (estimated 2007)
3/Terminal Three - a new terminal for scheduled carriers; a 'unit' terminal including bag claim, ticketing and parking facilities (estimated mid-2010)
4/Roadway system improvements - concurrent with development of Terminal Three
5/Aircraft apron reconstruction and Terminal One rehabilitation (ongoing)
6/D Gates NW wing - addition of nine gates to satellite concourse (estimated 2008)

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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7514 times:

I don't think that NW to NRT with a 742 was non-stop. JL can't do it ,especially in the summer.


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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
I don't think that NW to NRT with a 742 was non-stop

It was nonstop!  Smile

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
JL can't do it ,especially in the summer.

They do it via Los Angeles with the 747-400


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7505 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7477 times:

Thanks,KAHALA. I remember seeing that bad boy in June 99 . I can't beleive that it could do it in the Summer when it's 110.I'm sure the throttles were up all the way! I've seen VS use alot of runway in the summer,too .


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User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7462 times:

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 17):
Thanks,KAHALA. I remember seeing that bad boy in June 99 . I can't beleive that it could do it in the Summer when it's 110.I'm sure the throttles were up all the way! I've seen VS use alot of runway in the summer,too

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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7451 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 14):
So lets get this straight Virgin Atlantic dropped Chicago and Toronto to focus on Las Vegas, a city with no yields? Check Again! Las Vegas, has overtaken both Orlando and Chicago to be come the conventon mecca in North America.

1) First of all, if you're going to Wikipedia, then you certainly know how to make me laugh. I certainly wouldn't call Wikipedia authorative at all!

2) I'll write this slowly for you to get it .....YES, NO YIELDS! As far as VS goes, after living in the UK, I can assure you they offer extremely inexpensive packages from the UK ex. LAS. So, yes no yields at all.

3) I'd check your list of airlines, because IIRC JAL and PR don't fly daily. In addition, you list several airlines that are primarily tour airlines, such as MYT, Condor, AirTransat. So, again, yes no yield.

4) VS didn't drop ORD and YUL for LAS. Check their schedules where they're flying now vs. then. You will see for yourself.

Think for a minute about what you're saying. If LAS was so good in terms of yield, then more international airlines (on the likes of BA/QF/SQ/LH) would fly there. Check the yields via Aviation Daily, you'll see for yourself, LAS isn't much different than HNL. It is an extremely price sensitive market that caters for volume.

[Edited 2005-12-31 18:37:50]

User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 19):
YES, NO YIELDS! As far as VS goes, after living in the UK, I can assure you they offer extremely inexpensive packages from the UK ex. LAS. So, yes no yields at all.

So what do yields have to do with demand?

*Honolulu has low yields and is served by the likes of JAL, ANA, Korean, China Airlines, Qantas, and Air New Zealand.

*Papeete has low yields and is served by the likes of Air France, LAN, and Air New Zealand.

*Orlando has low yields and is served by the likes of British Airways and Virgin Atlantic.

*Nadi has low yields and is served by the likes of Korean Airlines and Air New Zealand.

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 19):
I'd check your list of airlines, because IIRC JAL and PR don't fly daily

So what, they serve it... There is a demand, like it or not!

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 19):
In addition, you list several airlines that are primarily tour airlines, such as MYT, Condor, AirTransat. So, again, yes no yield

So what... "Tour Airlines" as you call them make up for half of the passenger traffic in Birmingham, Manchester, and Gatwick... Like it or not, they are very high in demand to leisure markets.

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 19):
VS didn't drop ORD and YUL for LAS

It was called YYZ - Toronto

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 19):
If LAS was so good in terms of yield, then more international airlines (on the likes of BA/QF/SQ/LH) would fly there.

Singapore Airlines flew Las Vegas-Hong Kong-Singapore in the past, they were hit hard by SARS, 700am departure time, and the fact that Las Vegas went out full in Business and only a handful of seats in Economy. On the flip side Chicago-Amsterdam-Singapore was flown by Singapore Airlines and was pulled because there was lack of demand for Business, and more for Economy.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7411 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 19):
LAS isn't much different than HNL. It is an extremely price sensitive market that caters for volume.

But wouldn't that change if there were a big hub there?

With all the talk on this board about how DXB is going to become the busiest airport in the world, I'm a little surprised people can't see any success ex-LAS.



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User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 11):
As others have mentioned, the bigger issue is the CBP facilities being in Terminal 2. Not terribly convenient for connecting passengers and you'd probably end up towing aircraft around.

This is not ideal but look at ORD - it somehow works there with arrivals at T5 and departures from T1 or T3 depending on whether you are UA or AA.

I think it is much too early for US to even consider operating transatlantic / transpacific flights from LAS but I do think it will happen, not on a grand scale but services to sun starved cities such as London, Manchester and Frankfurt which have a lot of tourist demand as well as plenty of business demand. Not to mention many will see LAS as a better connection point to LAX/SFO/SAN etc. than the east coast, especially premium pax who have to "suffer" a long trip in domestic first after the luxury of transatlantic business.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 20):
So what do yields have to do with demand?

Duh!!!! I don't mind having this conversation, but you've got to be kidding on that one?

Yields and demand are simple economics.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 20):
*Honolulu has low yields and is served by the likes of JAL, ANA, Korean, China Airlines, Qantas, and Air New Zealand

Not from those locations! HNL from the US, I agree but not international. Plus, I'd check your statement about low yields, perhaps as a domestic flight to MCO, I agree, but not international.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 20):
So what... "Tour Airlines" as you call them make up for half of the passenger traffic in Birmingham, Manchester, and Gatwick... Like it or not, they are very high in demand to leisure markets

You're answering your own statement with this one. I agree, and as you said, LAS is a "leisure market". The "tour airlines" are able to have low fares because of the low cost structure they enjoy. This fact is going to depress yeilds even further.

I work for SQ, I know where they flew, however, you are making assumptions on why they pulled out. And in fact, they are wrong. SARS had a lot to do with it, but there were other problems. The timing of the flights was all wrong from a marketing perspective and that didn't help when SARS hit.

Your comments about BA/VS, they are willing to sacrifice yeilds to maintain market share, to a point. TPA has been a very good destination for BA, with fairly respectable yields. MCO again is a leisure destination and the aircraft BA flies reflects that.

I do know Toronto is YYZ, but it's 2am in Singapore right now....long day.

Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
But wouldn't that change if there were a big hub there?

With all the talk on this board about how DXB is going to become the busiest airport in the world, I'm a little surprised people can't see any success ex-LAS

To make a hub work you have to have enough of a encatchment area to sustain the hub on it's own. Then the fares will actually rise, since you'd have dominance in the hub. (In theory for hub and spoke). However, there really isn't a major international presence for business/first traffic out of LAS. If you were to hub there, you're going to try to get people out of LAX/SFO to backtrack and then fly out of LAS. Awful tough.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11417 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7301 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 23):
To make a hub work you have to have enough of a encatchment area to sustain the hub on it's own. Then the fares will actually rise, since you'd have dominance in the hub. (In theory for hub and spoke). However, there really isn't a major international presence for business/first traffic out of LAS.

Well, if the hub works without international flights, why wouldn't it work with international flights? Those domestic and Mexican connections should only enhance the profitability of the flights. Seriously, DXB seems to be a worse position in terms of yields and O/D than LAS unless I'm missing something fundamental.

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 23):
If you were to hub there, you're going to try to get people out of LAX/SFO to backtrack and then fly out of LAS. Awful tough.

I don't think that's the case. Most of US's customers still live east of the Mississippi River in the US. Those people would not be concerned about the connection. Additionally, I don't think any hub that isn't LAX or SFO is concerned about getting traffic to Asia, just like PHL and BOS aren't concerned with getting any of the traffic from JFK. But LAS can certainly get the Asian traffic to FAT, SAN, PHX, DEN, and every city east of it, which is still more than 80% of the country's population.



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25 PhilSquares : Why should someone connect in LAS when they can go non-stop from the east coast? That's the dilemma US/HP faces. So, the only alternative is to try t
26 Post contains images Kahala777 : From the sounds of it you seem to think that Las Vegas has no demand for anything but a few "Tour Airlines".... A word to the wise JAL pulled DFW, an
27 D L X : Firstly, there is an awful lot of America east of the Mississippi that is not the "East Coast". Next, the only Asian service east of the Mississippi
28 Dartland : LAS definitely has demand and hub potential for HP/US. Why? 1) For east-bound travelers, they connect to the massive US eastern network. For west-boun
29 ATWZW170 : Could we see any HI service from LAS? I could see LON service, maybe even NRT service.....with Star Alliance helping to fill the planes.
30 PhilSquares : The issue is for international operations that neither carrier has, not a domestic hub system.
31 Kahala777 : Happy New Years! America West flys international from Las Vegas daily. KAHALA777
32 PhilSquares : Perhaps you'd want to re-read the posts.....it's 26 just in case you wanted to know....
33 ChiGB1973 : Lots of charters and cheap seats. Save the money for the tables. M
34 Post contains images Kahala777 : Fukuoka was never served, America West Airlines filed the following when they wanted to serve Japan with the 747. #1 Tokyo #2 Osaka #3 Fukuoka #4 Nag
35 Isitsafenow : The NW flight from Narita to LAS was a 747-200 WITH a stop at LAX AND a change of equipment to an A 320 on to LAS. There was a NS with Northwest for a
36 Kahala777 : The stop came about a year or so after the nonstop service came into play. No.... Bottom line is that it was served! Incorrect NWA tried the DC-9, th
37 Amhilde : If they have these international flights from LAS, even in 5-10 years, then where do they have them park- at T2 with the rest of the international fli
38 Kahala777 : Bottom Line is: Las Vegas does have proven Asian/European Long Haul Flights. However, US Airways is not planning a grand expansion to Asia anytime soo
39 HPLASOps : This vaildates what I said earlier - if LAS wants to be an airport of significant intl operations, there would have to be MAJOR renovations. T2 is a
40 Gigneil : You need to learn some manners. PhilSquares is one of the most respected users on this board, and you one of the least. When you have close to 10,000
41 Post contains images Kahala777 : Yawning.... Yet he stated that Virgin Atlantic flew to Montreal! HAPPY NEW YEAR 2006 KAHALA777
42 Stlgph : Do other flights work that way now into Las Vegas say...Northwest from Tokyo via Seattle, or United via San Francisco, etc.?
43 Kahala777 : Per the SkyTeam July 2006 Schedule: Tokyo to Las Vegas 330pm Delta via Atlanta 777-200 to 767-400 350pm Northwest via Los Angeles 747-200 to A319 350p
44 PhilSquares : No, that's not what I said at all. Please go back and read carefully what I said. Then we can continue this diatribe. How do you think NW got the FUK
45 Post contains images Kahala777 : NW got NGO! America West *N E V E R* served Fukuoka! Again, America West Airlines never served Fukuoka! KAHALA777
46 Isitsafenow : Cactus flew HNL-Nagoia. He was mistaken...no big deal safe
47 Post contains images Kahala777 : N A G O Y A KAHALA777
48 Isitsafenow : I knew I could count on you K-777.Good job. Im going to a party now. Happy new year to EVERYONE at airliners....back tomorrow safe/michael
49 HPRamper : Oh...geez. Must someone in the business for a long time be considered infallible? So he slipped on the YUL/YYZ thing...big deal. It's late like he sa
50 Kahala777 : HPRamper, You are working for a great airline, with a great culture... Keep up with the airline, and you will go far. I served In-Flight from 1997-199
51 HPLASOps : I have no pilot expertice, I've only been in the industry a year and a half, I have learned a lot of this biz, and I have so much more to learn. I al
52 Kahala777 : HPLASOps, I hear you, thanks for the input.. I guess it all comes from being a part of the industry and seeing what has happened to it.. And yes I do
53 HPLASOps : Happy New Year to you, now back to the thread..... Does VS fly to LHR or LGW out of LAS? I know they use the 747s and it's only 4 days a week, but wh
54 Kahala777 : LGW, I dont believe Las Vegas is a permitted Heathrow gateway. And look for the Virgin Atlantic schedule to boost to 6x weekly in 2006. BMI is operat
55 Sevenheavy : VS currently fly 6 x weekly to LAS with a B747-400. There are no range issues with the A343/6 but they would struggle to operate out of LAS in the sum
56 Wrighbrothers : I know that BA wants business passengers, but could BA compete with VS, BD and MyTravel ?, Say doing a 3X weekly LGW-LAS service with one of their 3 c
57 United_Fan : If LAS were to have more Int'l flights,they would have to legnthen the runways so they wouldn't have to block seats and freight. But there is no room
58 Kahala777 : Perhaps, Philsquares, should read your post since he openly says there is no money to be made in Las Vegas. Singapore Airlines never had a problem fl
59 United_Fan : So,why does JL stop at LAX on the way back ? Not enough pax ? Also,you can't book a seat on the JL 744 unless you're continuing to NRT, I tried.
60 Kahala777 : JAL does not have the rights to local traffic for LAS-LAX. Nor does Qantas LAX-JFK-LAX. Nor does British Airways ORD-IAH-ORD. Nor does China Airlines
61 Vincewy : Right on, I don't think lack of space is problem, ie, flights from Asia can arrive during evening before other domestic flights come in, they can con
62 Apodino : Lengthen the runway? At over 14,000 feet in length LAS has the third longest commercial runway in the country (25R-7L) (The only ones longer are 13R-
63 United_fan : Yeah,I've seen those Champion 727's use alot in the summer when it's 110.
64 Dsa : LAS International would be great for US, BD seems to be doing well on the MAN route and if BD were to drop this route it woud be a great oppurtunity a
65 HPLASOps : I know WN stays out of codeshares and airline network agreements for the most part, choosing to do it all by themselves. But at a place like, LAX, I'm
66 SJCRRPAX : I think this is an interesting question. It seems that everybody who comes to the U.S. wants to visit Las Vegas at least once, so it certainly has dem
67 Vega : That is a question I've been wondering about myself. How much unofficial feed does WN provide to international routes. I would assume it depends on a
68 HPLASOps : That's what I mean - should WN partner up with foreign carriers to use their airline domestically and try to get some decent worldwide fares. That's
69 Vega : I meant to imply that the same situation applies with existing Domestic - International carrier relationships through Alliances with my last sentence
70 2travel2know : Fact 1: LAS is within B737-700 non-stop range from PTY. Fact 2: CM has not left MCO since they started flying there. Fact 3: LAS is the adults' MCO. T
71 Supa7E7 : China-LAS is a big market and, in 15 years, will be truly massive.
72 AirCop : My two cents, I believe international service with US will first focus on Phoenix before Las Vegas, since Tempe is the headquarters, Mr. Parker was qu
73 HPLASOps : Of course, when we fly to at least 30 markets out of PHX that we don't fly to out of LAS, plus significant more frequency out of PHX on many of the s
74 2travel2know : Any airline in the Far East or West U.S. with vision should be rightnow studying the numbers for HKG-LAS, Macau-LAS, Canton-LAS, Xiangai-LAS, Bejing-
75 ConcordeBoy : Yes and no. The likes of LAS and MSY do in fact get quite a bit of (stable) int'l convention influx... however, conventioneers are pros at arranging
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