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SQ7991: KWI-CMB-SIN  
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

I flew SQ7991 (KWI-CMB; 744F) yesterday (alas, only on my computer). It took 4 hours and 26 minutes. Now, #7991 departs CMB for SIN at 1705 local - so after about 2 hours on the ground - and arrives into SIN at 2300 local (the flight would probably take 2.5-3.5 hours). Now, would the same pilots fly all the way from KWI to SIN via CMB, or would they stay in CMB? Yes, I realise KWI-SIN is easily doable in one way - it's only probably 7-8 hours - but with the stop... Anyway, I ask because #7991 operates on a Saturday and there's only flights to SIN on Saturday, Tuesday and Friday.


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

I would imagine the same flight crew would fly both sectors. Total allowable duty time would be something like 12 to 14 hours, and the airline may even consider the 2 hours ground time in Colombo to be legitimate "rest" - ie the 747Fs have business class sleeper seats in the bubble, so the pilots can have a lie-down if they want. But flying a 4.5 hour sector followed by a 3-and-a-bit hour sector isn't really that tough, pilots on British charter airlines will fly from the UK to cities in Egypt, Cyprus, Lebanon or Turkey and come back the same day, which is like your first sector (and I make KWI-CMB more like 4h50m) and then the same thing again, in a 737 - a more tiring job of work, I think.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
(and I make KWI-CMB more like 4h50m)

You're more-than-likely to have tail winds KWI-CMB, hence why you can do it in about 4 1/2 hours. In fact, UL, for example, has a BT of 5 hours and 10 minutes - I'd be surprised if it took more than, say, 4 hours 45 minutes, depending on the actual wind.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
pilots on British charter airlines will fly from the UK to cities in Egypt, Cyprus, Lebanon or Turkey and come back the same day,

Yep, I realise that, but then BA overnights at CAI, even though it only takes about 4 hours (from experience). Sure, badly timed flights in terms of returning on the return straight away, but hey.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

On that schedule, one crew flies from KWI-CMB and then has crew rest and leaves on Tues on 7997. The crew that operates the 7991 CMB-SIN went in to CMB on 7975.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
the airline may even consider the 2 hours ground time in Colombo to be legitimate "rest" - ie the 747Fs have business class sleeper seats in the bubble, so the pilots can have a lie-down if they want. But flying a 4.5 hour sector followed by a 3-and-a-bit hour sector isn't really that tough, pilots on British charter airlines will fly from the UK to cities in Egypt, Cyprus, Lebanon or Turkey and come back the same day, which is like your first sector (and I make KWI-CMB more like 4h50m) and then the same thing again, in a 737 - a more tiring job of work, I think.

Glad you think so. For one getting "rest" in the seat is never going to happen! In addition to the basic CAAS rules we're also limited by the ALPAS agreement with the company. The KWI-CMB-SIN is a 12+30 duty day, scheduled. You try doing that and then tell me what you think. I'm sure glad you're not involved with flight ops at SQ!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 3):
On that schedule, one crew flies from KWI-CMB and then has crew rest and leaves on Tues on 7997

Blimey! Have you ever flown #7991?

Do you like such longer stay-overs?

I know it's rude and might be 'company policy' not to disclose such info., but on such a stop are you entitled to a daily 'allowance' besides the hotel? Could you, in that time, explore Sri Lanka a little on your own, or do you have some type of limitation or restriction? I once went to a PPRUNE party in London at which I met a QF 744 captain who was drinking a few. I guess he had a good few days in the UK, for he was also visiting his relation somewhere in the country.

Thanks.  Smile

P.S. Are you Irish?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Blimey! Have you ever flown #7991?

Have flown it a few times, it's not a very "good" trip.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Do you like such longer stay-overs?

It really depends on where it is and what time of year. On the freighter we have some 3 day London layovers, 3 day MEL layovers, so those aren't too bad. It's the 3 day KWI that get to you.

Yes we get a meal allowance that is computed by region in addition to the hotel being taken care of. We don't have any real restrictions placed on us, although we have some trips where you might have some "standby" on a particular day for a 4 hour block.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Are you Irish?

Yes, born in Ireland, grew up in the US.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting PhilSquares (Reply 3):
The KWI-CMB-SIN is a 12+30 duty day, scheduled. You try doing that and then tell me what you think. I'm sure glad you're not involved with flight ops at SQ!

12+30 is a marathon in anyone's book. But plenty of crews are engaged in such a long day as we type right now - for instance SN Brussels crews fly Brussels to Banjul (Gambia) then to somewhere rather more dangerous nearby (I think Freetown, Sierra Leone) then back to Banjul and call it a day. Three sectors, and the first one is quite a long one, then two short hauls. And the duty time involved in the Europe - ME returns (ie Frankfurt - Beirut - Frankfurt) has to be pushing 12+30.

Not saying you guys don't work hard enough as it is at SQ, just comparing it to other airlines.



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