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Continental Airlines In Cuba?  
User currently offlineN484ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

I just came upon the following photo on the database:


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I thought U.S. airlines were not allowed to enter Cuban Airspace, let alone land in their airports?

There are three more photos of a CO 737 in Havana in the database.

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User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting N484ER (Thread starter):
I thought U.S. airlines were not allowed to enter Cuban Airspace, let alone land in their airports?

They are allowed. It is not regular scheduled service but rather charter flights. Other airlines also do it. Of course, you pay premium for such flights and they are highly restricted.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Yeah, they are non scheduled flights, and there are actually a great number of flights USA-Cuba, all non-scheduled flights. American Eagle, Delta, Continental, AA, all show up from time to time. Gulfstream shows up daily on Flytecomm arrivals.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Airlines such as AA, AA Eagle, CO, DL, United all operate regularly scheduled charter flights to Cuba, even having used equipment as large as 777/747s.

In addition just about every US airline serving SoutH America overflies Cuban airspace enroute. Fidel is more then happy to get the overflight fees.



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User currently offlineN484ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Where do these charter flights depart from? Who is onboard? Just regular passangers willing to pay more for the premium flights?

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Fidel is more then happy to get the overflight fees.

lol  tongue 


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting N484ER (Reply 4):
Where do these charter flights depart from? Who is onboard? Just regular passangers willing to pay more for the premium flights?

I've been on one of the CO flights and in fact possibly on the exact plane pictured. (I think it was N70352, though it may have been 70353, which I'm too lazy to see if it's a valid CO registration.) We flew from Miami; I'm not sure which other American cities have direct service to Cuba.

I was part of a group bringing medical supplies to an affiliated church in Cuba. We had to get a Treasury Dept. certificate to be able to board the plane, the issuance of which I understand is much more tightly regulated since I went. If I recall correctly, it's not illegal for Americans to travel to Cuba per se, but it is for them to spend money there without government permission. Plus there was a limit on the value of Cuban goods we could bring back -- $100 or $120, I think it was.

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 1):
Of course, you pay premium for such flights and they are highly restricted.

Highly restricted, yes. I don't recall the flight being absurdly expensive though. Maybe $180 each way a couple years ago? I've paid that to fly Southwest between Austin and Dallas; Miami to Havana can't be too much shorter and, well, there's a somewhat smaller body of potential passengers. As a side note, the trip down was on one of the cleanest and emptiest planes I've ever been one.

[Edited 2006-01-02 01:40:33]


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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
In addition just about every US airline serving SoutH America overflies Cuban airspace enroute. Fidel is more then happy to get the overflight fees.

When i fly down to EYW I used to love to listen to Havana Center on the backup radio.


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting N484ER (Reply 4):
Where do these charter flights depart from? Who is onboard? Just regular passangers willing to pay more for the premium flights?

Miami, Ft. Lauderdale.... All VFR


KAHALA777


User currently offlineWF2BNN From Norway, joined Dec 2004, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

I flew MIA-HAV-MIA three years ago on CO charter flight with a friend of mine whose company has a license and I'm a Norwegian citizen. The airfare was $299 + taxes and fees. It was so strange going from the worlds riches country to comu Cuba in only 45min. Two different worlds so close... Havana was great! I hope you all get a chance to go there. We stayed in the old Hilton hotel, now Havana libre with an amazing view of Havana.

My friend has to go there around once a month for business, and yes a/c's as big as 777's have been used. As a matter of fact, he was onboard the first 777 that ever landed in HAV (Flown by American Airlines). Now they use Beach 1900's for the leg due to more restrictions, what a difference!

Mats in TRD



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Quoting WF2BNN (Reply 8):
I flew MIA-HAV-MIA three years ago on CO charter flight with a friend of mine whose company has a license and I'm a Norwegian citizen. The airfare was $299 + taxes and fees. It was so strange going from the worlds riches country to comu Cuba in only 45min. Two different worlds so close... Havana was great! I hope you all get a chance to go there. We stayed in the old Hilton hotel, now Havana libre with an amazing view of Havana.

My friend has to go there around once a month for business, and yes a/c's as big as 777's have been used. As a matter of fact, he was onboard the first 777 that ever landed in HAV (Flown by American Airlines). Now they use Beach 1900's for the leg due to more restrictions, what a difference!

Mats in TRD

As I live in SW florida not that far from Cuba I had a number of friends in highschool who used to make almost weekly trips down there. They loved it.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
Miami, Ft. Lauderdale.... All VFR

You're wrong they aren't VFR


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 1):
Of course, you pay premium for such flights and they are highly restricted.

No, you don't pay a premium. The fares are set by the US government. I believe it is currently $330 round-trip, regardless of class of service. A friend of mine flew CO to Camaguey two years ago and flew in First for $280 r/t.


Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 9):

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 7):
Miami, Ft. Lauderdale.... All VFR

You're wrong they aren't VFR

Then who are they? The flights are majority filled by VFR. Cuban Americans are allowed to return to Cuba once every two years to visit direct family (uncles, grandparents, parents, etc.; but not second cousins).



a.
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

I remember flying to Grand Cayman from EWR, we flew right over Cuba. Nothing special about it, just flew right past.

Harry



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3643 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Then who are they? The flights are majority filled by VFR. Cuban Americans are allowed to return to Cuba once every two years to visit direct family (uncles, grandparents, parents, etc.; but not second cousins).

I think we aren't on the same page here. VFR means visual flight rules. I don't have any clue what that has to do with Cuban Americans.


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
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[Edited 2006-01-02 03:28:20]


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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 13):
Visit
Friends &
Relatives[Edited 2006-01-02 03:28:20]

Gotcha I was thinking regs wise and not passenger data wise.

Even if thats the case they still aren't VFR, I know number of people who have gone down their for educational and humanitarian reasons. My old University had an exchange program with the university of havana.

[Edited 2006-01-02 04:00:23]

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

The US-Cuba market is quite a busy one. Just in the last 24 hours I can count 19 flight between Miami and Havana having been operated by American, Falcon Air and Gulfstream. AA Eagle had 2 flights to Cienfuegos from MIA.

In addition I know regular flights are operated from LAX, JFK/EWR. The LAX ones being flown by TACA.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 15):
In addition I know regular flights are operated from LAX, JFK/EWR. The LAX ones being flown by TACA.

None from EWR. Only LAX, JFK, and MIA are allowed to have Cuba flights. I know a few airports, including FLL and ATL, have unsuccessfully tried to be designated US-Cuba gateways. That is why CO's Cuba charters launched with JFK-HAV rather than EWR-HAV.

There are Cuba flights from other airports, but they are required to stop at JFK, MIA, or LAX on the way to Cuba.



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User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Fidel is more then happy to get the overflight fees.

I thought Americans were not allowed to spend money in Cuba. Oh well, I guess there are exceptions to every rule... unless they use a Swiss bank as a middle man.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
The fares are set by the US government.

I thought they got rid of that about 25 years ago..

Leo.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 17):
unless they use a Swiss bank as a middle man.

Actually a Panama bank instead.



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

I got the chance in February 2002 to fly on a Delta 737-800 charter flight from JFK to HAV.

I got to see the Continental 737-700 at HAV both times that I was at the airport leaving and coming into Havana. The flight had come and left for MIA.


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Doesnt LAB (Bolivian flag carrier) do they charters too?


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User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7140 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 12):
I think we aren't on the same page here. VFR means visual flight rules. I don't have any clue what that has to do with Cuban Americans.

No I think all flights into Cuba Airlines or General Aviation have to be IFR. All General Aviation flights to Cuba from the US need to be from MIA and IFR. So I would imagine that Airlines have to fly IFR too. I never heard of an 121 airline flying VFR on any passenger flight anyway.



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 22):
No I think all flights into Cuba Airlines or General Aviation have to be IFR. All General Aviation flights to Cuba from the US need to be from MIA and IFR. So I would imagine that Airlines have to fly IFR too. I never heard of an 121 airline flying VFR on any passenger flight anyway.

thats what i was saying


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

not weather VFR, VFR in this case, means visiting friends and relatives. It is used in a similar aspect as O&D.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, Texas-It's bigger than France


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