ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3911 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5378 times:
That's what today's Boston Globe says. Hainan Airlines has been given the authority from the Chinese government to serve ONE U.S. city...and that city will be Boston.
The article goes on to say that cargo service will start this summer (with what type of aircraft, I have no clue...seems like the biggest they operate is the 767-300). Passenger service will start toward year-end, and again it would seem to be the 767-300 unless the carrier has some other aircraft better suited for the run from Logan to Shanghai and Beijing.
The article goes on to say the 787 will be used, once that type enters service. But since that's two years off, I guess the 767-300 will need to do unless the carrier has plans to lease a long-legged 777 or Airbus for the purpose.
Obviously Boston Mayor Menino--who couldn't tell a 777 from an MD-11 if his life depended on it--is falling all over himself with this news. And of course he's taking full credit for this announcement and will no doubt morph it into some grand strategy to make Boston the center of the Global economy.
Yes, the good people of Boston have managed to re-elect this guy for four straight terms.
Still, it's great to see plans for Boston-Asia service coming to reality.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3911 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5031 times:
The article in The Boston Globe made it seem as though the flight would go nonstop from Boston to somewhere in Asia, then on to China. I guess we'll just have to see what happens this summer, when cargo service is slated to start.
717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4991 times:
If anything Hainan should pursue SEA as the first US city rather than BOS.
SEA is probably within non-stop range of Beijing or Haikou with their 763ER's
Plus SEA already has a large Asian population around here to support this.
Didn't KE already try serving BOS a couple of years back with not much
I think this is great stuff for BOS, wow i wonder who bribed Massport for this one? Anywho, I really do hope this pan out to fruitration as this is a great oppertunity for BOS and NE travelers to have an easier connection to the East and beyond. But KE did try it in like 2000 I beleive but that never panned out adn the service was canceled soon after.
Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
NWBOS From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 153 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4612 times:
NW studied the market and was courted by Massport for a long time in an attempt to start Asia service from Logan but NW concluded that profitability on the route would be a long shot. Perhaps with the 787's coming online in a few years NW will re-investigate it. I'm more interested if my next paycheck is going to clear, though....
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3911 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4480 times:
The intriguing thing is the cargo service, which is slated to start before passenger service. If the Boston Globe article is true, 'cargo service' (which presumes some sort of freighter--I would guess a leased MD-11?) will start this summer.
I will actually believe all this once I see it. Of course the wild card is the FAA, which needs to bless this before it starts.
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 911 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4421 times:
As per the article in my local MA newspaper today (AP feed), Hainan is China's fourth largest carrier and is in the process of changing its name to Grand China Airlines. According to MassPort CEO, the airline was given permission by the Chinese government to serve one US location. The article mentions sevceral times that these flights will be nonstop service to Beijing.
Dean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 213 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4247 times:
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 17): Why wouldn't a same plane Beijing-Budapest-Boston service be considered a China-Boston service??
Would you say that a Qantas flight Sydney-Singapore-London is not an Australia-UK flight???
I understand your idea, and I did not say that is a bad one. But I think SYD-LHR service via SIN is not a good example to compare PEK-BOS service via BUD. LHR-SIN-LHR is only 170-200 km longer than LHR-SYD direct (according to Great Circle Map), but PEK-BUD-BOS route is 3200 km longer than PEK-BOS direct...
If HU would like to operate BOS via BUD, I think they should do it as a MA codeshare flight operated by MA... But as far as I know both MA and HU require more widebody aircrafts for future expansions... Correct me if I'm wrong!
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3911 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4233 times:
I think these cargo flights will bring FAR more freight into Boston than they take out. Manufacturing of goods has been shifting to Asia for a long time, so the ratio of imported to exported will be quite high. Unless there's a big Chinese appetite for lobsters and tuna, I can't imagine what the outbound flights from Boston would be filled with. Maybe all the copies of The Boston Globe and The Boston Herald no one wants to buy .
The 787 seems as though it will be perfect for a route like this: long and thin. The big question is what Grand China uses for equipment in the interim.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6243 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4208 times:
In airline language in the US, "direct service" does not mean "non-stop" service. I do not agree with this usage, but that is the way it is. Since Hainan does not own any aircraft that make it non-stop, then using the Boston Globes use of "direct flight, would mean a stop somewhere.