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Hainan Airlines To Start Service To Boston?  
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4110 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

That's what today's Boston Globe says. Hainan Airlines has been given the authority from the Chinese government to serve ONE U.S. city...and that city will be Boston.

The article goes on to say that cargo service will start this summer (with what type of aircraft, I have no clue...seems like the biggest they operate is the 767-300). Passenger service will start toward year-end, and again it would seem to be the 767-300 unless the carrier has some other aircraft better suited for the run from Logan to Shanghai and Beijing.

The article goes on to say the 787 will be used, once that type enters service. But since that's two years off, I guess the 767-300 will need to do unless the carrier has plans to lease a long-legged 777 or Airbus for the purpose.

Obviously Boston Mayor Menino--who couldn't tell a 777 from an MD-11 if his life depended on it--is falling all over himself with this news. And of course he's taking full credit for this announcement and will no doubt morph it into some grand strategy to make Boston the center of the Global economy.

Yes, the good people of Boston have managed to re-elect this guy for four straight terms.

Still, it's great to see plans for Boston-Asia service coming to reality.

Chris in NH

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User currently offlineMarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6277 times:

Wait.... they can't use a 767-300... wouldn't that involve two stops? That'll be hell of a flight.

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2637 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

Hainan Airlines has yet to order 787 a/c, but wanting to do such. Not sure if the range would do CN-BOS.

[Edited 2006-01-02 17:02:40]


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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

They have ordered the 787; the Boeing web site says they've ordered eight of them.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

Hainan already operates to Budapest.
Could they potentially operate Beijing-Budapest-Boston?

There are no direct services Boston-Budapest, and each sector is just over 4,000 miles, so it is possible on a B763ER.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

The article in The Boston Globe made it seem as though the flight would go nonstop from Boston to somewhere in Asia, then on to China. I guess we'll just have to see what happens this summer, when cargo service is slated to start.

User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5954 times:

If anything Hainan should pursue SEA as the first US city rather than BOS.
SEA is probably within non-stop range of Beijing or Haikou with their 763ER's
Plus SEA already has a large Asian population around here to support this.
Didn't KE already try serving BOS a couple of years back with not much
success?



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User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5907 times:
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Cargo services first? HU only operates B737s and a handful of B763ERs, no all-cargo aircraft, unless they lease some planes.

PEK-BOS (6,737 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper)
NRT-BOS (6,701 miles, according to the Great Circle Mapper)

The range of a B763ER is about 6,100 miles. Not sure if the HU B763s are ETOPS certfied, but perhaps ETOPS might play a part in getting HU to BOS?


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5883 times:

Finally... Service To China From BOS... (by BoeingBus Jan 2 2006 in Civil Aviation)


but whatever.

I think this is great stuff for BOS, wow i wonder who bribed Massport for this one? Anywho, I really do hope this pan out to fruitration as this is a great oppertunity for BOS and NE travelers to have an easier connection to the East and beyond. But KE did try it in like 2000 I beleive but that never panned out adn the service was canceled soon after.



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User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5851 times:

Who is Hainan's codeshare partner? It could be this is an interline all the way...

User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5815 times:

Will good for HU. They may find this a big success avoiding the over served NYC.

I think HU are part of the big 787 order China made. Also note the CR Airways 787's may be for HU.


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5902 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5702 times:
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They could always stop in YVR on the way to BOS. That way HU could fly passengers between YVR and BOS.

User currently offlineNWBOS From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 157 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

NW studied the market and was courted by Massport for a long time in an attempt to start Asia service from Logan but NW concluded that profitability on the route would be a long shot. Perhaps with the 787's coming online in a few years NW will re-investigate it. I'm more interested if my next paycheck is going to clear, though....

User currently offlineHighFlyer9790 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

if Hainan has ordered the 787 is there a possibilty we could see their interest in the 777LR for this route?


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User currently offlineDean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 4):
Hainan already operates to Budapest.
Could they potentially operate Beijing-Budapest-Boston?

There are no direct services Boston-Budapest, and each sector is just over 4,000 miles, so it is possible on a B763ER.

It's a good idea, but than it wouldn't be a China-Boston service.


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5443 times:

The intriguing thing is the cargo service, which is slated to start before passenger service. If the Boston Globe article is true, 'cargo service' (which presumes some sort of freighter--I would guess a leased MD-11?) will start this summer.

I will actually believe all this once I see it. Of course the wild card is the FAA, which needs to bless this before it starts.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5384 times:
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As per the article in my local MA newspaper today (AP feed), Hainan is China's fourth largest carrier and is in the process of changing its name to Grand China Airlines. According to MassPort CEO, the airline was given permission by the Chinese government to serve one US location. The article mentions sevceral times that these flights will be nonstop service to Beijing.

The article does mention aircraft types at all.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5316 times:

Quoting Dean (Reply 14):
It's a good idea, but than it wouldn't be a China-Boston service.

Why wouldn't a same plane Beijing-Budapest-Boston service be considered a China-Boston service??

Since when does an intermediate stop for refuelling change the scope of the service??

Would you say that a Qantas flight Sydney-Singapore-London is not an Australia-UK flight???

You've confused me?!


User currently offlineDean From Hungary, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 17):
Why wouldn't a same plane Beijing-Budapest-Boston service be considered a China-Boston service??

Would you say that a Qantas flight Sydney-Singapore-London is not an Australia-UK flight???

I understand your idea, and I did not say that is a bad one. But I think SYD-LHR service via SIN is not a good example to compare PEK-BOS service via BUD. LHR-SIN-LHR is only 170-200 km longer than LHR-SYD direct (according to Great Circle Map), but PEK-BUD-BOS route is 3200 km longer than PEK-BOS direct...
If HU would like to operate BOS via BUD, I think they should do it as a MA codeshare flight operated by MA... But as far as I know both MA and HU require more widebody aircrafts for future expansions... Correct me if I'm wrong!


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4110 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

I think these cargo flights will bring FAR more freight into Boston than they take out. Manufacturing of goods has been shifting to Asia for a long time, so the ratio of imported to exported will be quite high. Unless there's a big Chinese appetite for lobsters and tuna, I can't imagine what the outbound flights from Boston would be filled with. Maybe all the copies of The Boston Globe and The Boston Herald no one wants to buy  Wink.

The 787 seems as though it will be perfect for a route like this: long and thin. The big question is what Grand China uses for equipment in the interim.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5171 times:

In airline language in the US, "direct service" does not mean "non-stop" service. I do not agree with this usage, but that is the way it is. Since Hainan does not own any aircraft that make it non-stop, then using the Boston Globes use of "direct flight, would mean a stop somewhere.

User currently offlineRobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 941 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5093 times:
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MassPort specifically says NONSTOP, not direct.

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