Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1641 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13940 times:
The full text:
Press Release Source: FLYi, Inc.
Independence Air to Discontinue Operations: Airline Will Keep Flying Through Thursday Evening, January 5th
Monday January 2, 10:00 am ET
DULLES, Va., Jan. 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - FLYi, Inc., (Nasdaq: FLYIQ - News) parent of low-fare airline Independence Air, announced today that because of the continued financial challenges facing the company, it will voluntarily discontinue all scheduled flights planned to depart after 7:00pm(*) on the evening of Thursday, January 5th. The company is seeking bankruptcy court approval to automatically refund customers with reservations for flights scheduled to depart beyond that time.
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Customers with roundtrip reservations for trips departing before the cessation of operations (including those customers who have already departed) but were scheduled to return afterwards will be contacted by Independence Air and offered the opportunity to change their return reservations to one of the remaining days of operation. All change fees will be waived for changes made by phone. The company is also seeking bankruptcy court approval to automatically refund customers for those return flights that are not rescheduled. No refunds will be offered for free tickets or vouchers.
Customers whose trips are scheduled between now and Thursday evening should expect the same excellent service that Independence Air has become known for.
Independence Air Chairman and CEO Kerry Skeen said, "While we've been clear in reminding everyone that this was a possibility, we remained optimistic that there would be a way to avoid reaching this juncture. To date there has not been a firm offer put forward that meets the financial criteria necessary to continue operations as is. Therefore, we are voluntarily discontinuing scheduled service as of Thursday evening.
We offer our sincere thanks to the over eight million customers who have flown with us since the launch of Independence Air, and to the communities across America that we have served."
Skeen continued. "And most importantly, we thank our extraordinary employees for creating an airline brand that has been so universally praised by our customers. Our people have demonstrated that they are capable of operating an airline that quickly rose to the top of the rankings in every major independent survey of airline quality and customer satisfaction. And while this is a profoundly sad day for all of us, we could not be more proud of our employees and everything they have accomplished."
Customers are urged to visit the airline's www.FLYi.com website if they have further questions as callers to the company's toll-free number will likely experience long wait times.
Independence Air began service on June 16, 2004 and currently offers over 200 daily departures to 37 destinations.
The company has advised the public, and reiterates, that the likely outcome of the company's bankruptcy proceeding is the cancellation of the company's existing common stock without consideration, making FLYi stock of no value.
Independence Air, FLYi, the "i" logo mark and FLYi.com are service marks of Independence Air, Inc. �Independence Air, Inc. 2006.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 9541 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13884 times:
And we all thought they might die on Jan. 7th.
Now another airline dies. Now comes the fight for their best slots at varoius airports. It will be interesting to see how the end plays out, as to employees, the owners of all of their leased equipment and how it is 'secured'. Better collect your souveniers now for resale on E-bay later.
Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2670 posts, RR: 8 Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13858 times:
Unfortunately, this comes as no surprise. Their business model was flawed from the start. Now watch as all the airlines immediately raise their fares on the routes IAir was flying.
InTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 543 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13823 times:
UN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4246 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13816 times:
The last flight is DH1777 HPN-IAD. Lets see how quickly UA/UAX raises their fares from IAD to New ENgland destinations. It was fun while it lasted.
Dan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2051 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13778 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2): Better collect your souveniers now for resale on E-bay later.
I did that during the summer, I got a bunch of promo material from an airshow. I wouldnt mind having that pickup with the CRJ tail in the bed though.
I thought this airline had alot of potential too and im sad to see them go. I hope all the employees can land on their feet and find better jobs.
Dan
[Edited 2006-01-02 16:37:12]
A guy asks 'What's Punk?'. I kick over a trash can and its punk. He knocks over a trash can and its trendy.
BigPhilNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4023 posts, RR: 62 Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13736 times:
Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 4): I hope JetBlue can get their slots at LGA!
They only have two slots at LGA, and, I think, they are at shitty times anyway.
NYCA's press release and thread about the subject:
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 13353 posts, RR: 69 Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13705 times:
Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 3): Unfortunately, this comes as no surprise. Their business model was flawed from the start. Now watch as all the airlines immediately raise their fares on the routes IAir was flying.
personally, I wouldn't mind paying an extra 10% for a roundtrip flight if that means air carriers start making some money......
ATCRick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 765 posts, RR: 19 Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13605 times:
Sorry for the friends I have there. As far as people in upper management like Jeff Rogers, good riddance....kiss butt elsewhere.
FlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2198 posts, RR: 16 Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13551 times:
Wow, it was on a Monday nearly 3 years ago that I found out I would loose my first airline job...what a great feeling it is to do it all over again.
To everyone that supported us and had a chance to experience our incredible customer service, it was an absolute pleasure to be able to serve you. I enjoyed every moment I spent with FLYi, and I hope you did as well.
I don't really have much else to say other than that. Hopefully someone out there will be willing to give an unemployed FLYi-er yet another crack at the industry I love so much.
Brakes released, steering in-op, you are clear to push.
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 53 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13500 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8): personally, I wouldn't mind paying an extra 10% for a roundtrip flight if that means air carriers start making some money......
While I'm on the same page as you, and probably many other aviation fans think the same, the flying public doesn't give a sh!t about the airlines, as long as the fares get lower every day.
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2309 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13462 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11): While I'm on the same page as you, and probably many other aviation fans think the same, the flying public doesn't give a sh!t about the airlines, as long as the fares get lower every day.
Just like those who shop at Walmart but then complain when they put the local guys out of business. It always amazes me that airfare is one commodity that has not kept up with inflation. You could fly LAXJFK for $198 in 1987 and today as well. Too bad the cost of buying airplanes and fueling them hasn't stayed the same as well.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2668 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13348 times:
To those of you allegedly willing to pay more for airline tickets, it very easy to do so now! Simply select one fare category higher than the lowest fare. Most websites make it easy to do now. I know AirTran does. FlyI did as well.
However, my suspicion remains that those of you who say that you'd be willing to pay more usually travel non-revenue anyway. And shop at Wal-Mart because you like the low prices as well.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 39 posts, RR: 54 Reply 14, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13223 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 11): While I'm on the same page as you, and probably many other aviation fans think the same, the flying public doesn't give a sh!t about the airlines, as long as the fares get lower every day.
First, in DJ's case, it would not have mattered. The business model was flawed from Day 1. You cannot offer low-cost service with high-cost equippment.
Second, many U.S. carriers are now very lean and financially stable. AA and CO have come within a few million dollars of making a profit despite paying market rates for fuel. If it were not for the 2005 spike in energy prices, we would probably be singing the praises of the legacy carrier recovery.
If it were not for the downward pressure on airfares, competition would not have forced certain airlines to address their weaknesses.
.... only a week before Christmas and the check in staff, pilots and F/A's were all extremely bubbly and light hearted - definitely a change from the norm in my eyes.
To anyone out there from Fly-i, it is a very sad day for the industry and you have my sincere sympathy
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 37 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13028 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 12): Just like those who shop at Walmart but then complain when they put the local guys out of business. It always amazes me that airfare is one commodity that has not kept up with inflation. You could fly LAXJFK for $198 in 1987 and today as well. Too bad the cost of buying airplanes and fueling them hasn't stayed the same as well.
If you sell me a ticket from JFK-LAX for a low price, that is up to me to purchase it or not, if you don't want to see low prices, don't offer them.
As far as comparing flying in 1987 to now, the airplanes are also more efficient, and more options to the size of the aircraft.
Besides, much of the problems with the US airlines, was cost, simply their cost were tooo high.... Amazing that American & Continental have gotten their cost control & are actually going to be profitable....
JerseyGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 565 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13028 times:
FLYi was leasing a gate from UsAirways at EWR, I believe, any one think US is looking for a new tenant, B6 maybe?
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2611 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13019 times:
My sincerest sympathy too to all FlyI employees. I heard great things about your airline, though I never did find the opportunity to fly you guys. I really hope that you can find other jobs at other, more well-run airlines in the near future and have a long relationship with them.
As for the ceasing of flying so early, does anyone know if certain airlines will be taking passengers that are flying after the termination? If so, does anyone know what airlines and on what terms?
JetBluefan1
Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 37 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12997 times:
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 18): As for the ceasing of flying so early, does anyone know if certain airlines will be taking passengers that are flying after the termination? If so, does anyone know what airlines and on what terms?
I thought that I read somewhere, for a $50 fee, other airlines would accept the Independance Air tickets...
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 14388 posts, RR: 61 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12984 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW HEAD MODERATOR
Looks like AirTran may be picking up another gate on D @ ATL pretty soon.......
The real surprise is that they lasted as long as they did. Some of us (including myself) gave them six months before they either reverted back to being a feeder airline or went out of business. It was thought that they'd never survive long enough to even start using the A319s.
They probably would have stood a better chance had they waited until they had the A319s on property before starting service. They probably still would have had money coming in via the Delta Connection contract (Unless DL cancelled the contract before the IAir ops were started), and perhaps would have been able to be less reliant on the CRJs for their operations.
Shut up, Balders. You'd laugh at a Shakespeare comedy.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12978 times:
United, Delta Global Services (united Express) and Swissport are all hiring at Dulles. I hear United held an employment Open House at Dulles the week before Xmas. I hope many FlyI employees took advantage of it.
Cberflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12896 times:
Quoting JetBluefan1 (Reply 18): As for the ceasing of flying so early, does anyone know if certain airlines will be taking passengers that are flying after the termination? If so, does anyone know what airlines and on what terms?
Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 19): I thought that I read somewhere, for a $50 fee, other airlines would accept the Independance Air tickets...
"... under section 145 of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act (November 19, 2001) Congress has obligated U.S. airlines to offer stand-by transportation to passengers holding un-refunded tickets for airlines that have ceased operations due to insolvency or bankruptcy. The Act stipulates that passengers must make their request to carriers serving the same routes as the bankrupt carrier and must do so within 60 days of the cessation of service. The U.S. Department of Transportation has ruled that airlines who offer the stand-by transportation may charge $50 one-way per person to cover related expenses."
PennPal From United States of America, joined May 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12868 times:
So...any speculation on where the Airbusses and CRJ's will end up???
MiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12833 times:
Very sad news indeed. I just can't imagine how it must feel to go through something like this. Best wishes to everyone........
Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 21): United, Delta Global Services (united Express) and Swissport are all hiring at Dulles
Jetblue is also hiring....both Airport and Ground Ops.....
25 Mikey711MN: From the Letter to Customers: "Please be aware that under section 145 of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act (November 19, 2001) Congress ha
26 CBERFlyer: I too am very sad to see Independence Air fold. While their business plan was not practical at this point in time (if ever?), they did earn a loyal cu
27 Flypdx: I wonder where the moron employees assuring us that Flyi wasn't going anywhere are at the moment.
28 TOLtommy: well said, DFW. Airlines are no different than other industries. Competetive pressures will always be there. Back off those poor people PDX. Even if
29 Jacobin777: WRONG! .....I've been paying 10-15% more on my flights on AA, even when there is a cheaper alternative...I fly a heck of a lot domestic and Internati
30 TOLtommy: Yes, and buying those higher fares, you get more points, thus easily earning your status. If you weren't worried about your status, you wouldn't, lik
31 CTHEWORLD: Good, lets hope they and all those who competed with FlyI raise their fares to the point where they can at least break even, or make a little money..
32 ChiGB1973: I just have to agree. When the cost of business goes up, you pass it on to the customer. It is the most basic of economics. FlyI was one of the "prob
33 Dagell: And who is this ass-kissing "Jeff"? And why is he such an ass-kisser?
34 JetBluefan1: While I do agree that FlyI and ATA were/are "problems" because they sell below cost, Southwest and JetBlue aren't because they actually make money at
35 Tornado82: Hell, that's more than most people paid for those FlyI tickets. Luckily for the stranded pax... it's now post-holidays... as the holiday travel rush
36 Flypdx: And they were being totally obnoxious the other night in several topics about United Airlines and FlyI. I think we're discussing 2 different sets of
37 RoseFlyer: This is also bad news for Bombardier. There will be a lot of CRJs floating around on the used market. Bombardier has already had CRJs sales disappear
38 Jacobin777: once again, you are WRONG..they are the same fare (fare codes) which I've been previously using....considering AA has only 3 classes.....if you had b
39 CasInterest: Any thoughts of Jetblue increasing their presence in IAD now that FLYI is gone? Left to it's own devices United owns that airport, but it would appear
40 S25843: To all those who work for the FlyI BOS ground ops, including Sherri the Station Manager and to Chrissy, Kendra, and the many other FlyI FAs, I wish yo
41 Srbmod: Either out shopping for crow or are updating their resumes to post on various job sites.
42 ContinentalEWR: Very sorry for the employees of this carrier, as they will loose their jobs in a very tough market for airline employment, but this airline's business
43 ChiGB1973: I think UA will be watching this carefully. Granted, they really can't do a whole lot about it, but I suspect they will pull a (DL/FL) ATL to protect
44 N79969: I feel sorry for the line employees and thats about it. I think Fly-I was a mistake at its inception. It was an avoidable mistake. Even some of their
45 Wjcandee: Wrong, I think. On both counts. The fact is that all these guys had to do was negotiate in good faith with United and work something out to continue
46 Mariner: United probably knows as much as anyone what is actually happening. United CEO Tilton asked approval of the bk court to do bid on some Indy assets -
47 ChiGB1973: I meant the incoming of a low fare carrier or the addition of flights from a low cost carrier. Yeah, it will be interesting to see what they bid on?
48 Gkpetery: Ya, I would like to know who is the ass-kissing Jeff Rodgers too. What did he do that was so bad that people hate him so much?
49 S12PPL: That was quick... I'm sorry to all the FliI employees. You no doubt served your customers well! I was sort of hoping they would do well enough to expa
50 Lightsaber: First, my thoughts go out to the FLYI employees. I believe the disposition of all of FLYI's gates will become the #1 topic on A.net over the next few
51 Sideflare75: Me too. I looked and there is no such person listed on their management roster. We have a Jeff Rogers at Midwest though. Maybe he means Bill Brown wh
52 LegendDC9: This does touch on the right point. FLYi started out from the Atlantic Coast Airlines, running the UA express in IAD and later on in ORD as well. The
53 Flairport: sad sad sad...I was in MCO the other day and it dawned on me, that would be my last sighting of an Indy plane ...they are great planes and have great
54 FlyMeToTheMoon: Any ideas of what will happend to the A terminal at IAD? Is UA moving back there from the dreadful G terminal? Anyway... too bad they went out of busi
55 BoeingPride800: It's extremely sad that this company is going out of business. And they thought they were doing themselves good by "declaring independence" from UA an
56 FATFlyer: His was the name on the furlough notices sent out a few days ago. Rodgers currently has the title of Vice President, Employee Services, but used to b
57 September11: My condolences. Hope you will land a new job with an airline as soon as possible.
58 Tommy767: It will probably go back to US. AA maybe? I will miss seeing the Indy A319s fly over my campus on arrival into LAX. I could always tell that it was t
59 Gift4tbone: My prayers and thoughts to all the FLYi employees. Good Luck! I never flew on DH, but for some reason I really wanted to see them grow. I guess its th
60 TOLtommy: Buzz... Thanks for playing.... AA has many more fare categories than just 3. Coach fares in fare categories G, Q, N, O, and S only earn 50% of actual
61 Antoniemey: I have travelled Non Rev all my life, but I do not shop at Wal-mart. Ever. And currently I can't travel NonRev since I'm now too old to get my mom's
62 Tornado82: If I had a dollar for every A.netter who vehmently denies ever shopping at Wal Mart, I'd own a Lear 45 by now. I never knew not shopping at Wal Mart
63 JetBluefan1: B6 is starting IAD-BOS in two weeks. I think this route was going to start a little bit later, but with FL having announced it and FlyI's demise, B6 d
64 Mke717spotter: well as much as this was expected for some reason i am surprised........so where are these aircraft going to go, are they going to go to UA???
65 Blsbls99: Someone should fix the title so that Independence is spelled correctly. Sad to see a colorful and good service airline's demise. Best of luck to all o
66 F27XXX: Best statement yet on here. They need to put their (or their company's) money where their mouths are. When are these whiners who complain about airli
67 Delyan: Nice airline! Several months ago, I flew on one of their brand new A319. Very nice trip. Sorry to hear that they are going under.
68 TACAA320: It's really, really sad specially for their employees and the uncertainty created in the new year. My sympathy with all of them.
69 Atmx2000: A stupid law. All it does is encourage passengers to book on desperate airlines, on the verge of shutting their doors that are offering cheap fares j
70 FCYTravis: Not quite right. All American Airlines domestic coach fares earn 100% distance Elite Qualifying Miles. The numbers you're referring to are *points* -
71 Thepilot: Damn! I loved DH, and I flew their SEA-IAD flight earlier in the year. 100% full, and the sevice was amazing, even for a red eye. They had one too man
72 Galapagapop: Well if the shoe was on the other foot and UA had gone under how high do you think Fyi fares would have been to make breakeven! UA will jack the pric
74 Flyibaby: Both of you need to have a little sympathy for the few thousands affected by this. I was furloghed in October myself but still feel as though we in t
76 EA CO AS: It did. Congress revived this provision of the law though.
77 FCYTravis: Why would you have a sad face about it? It's a CONSUMER PROTECTION. What about the people who bought FlyI tickets 6 months ago for flights in April? S
78 Scott0305: Maybe Virgin America will sneek in with an East Coast operation and take a few A319s too! Independence Air used to be Atlantic Coast Airlines flying a
79 Jetdeltamsy: Skeen should be put in jail for running through $300 million plus, along with the entire Board of Directors. Talk about incompetence..Skeen and the Bo
80 S12PPL: I won't deny that I have in the past I try not to shop there, though
81 EA CO AS: Yes, actually. They had a choice - purchase tickets with airlines that had a better chance of survival (probably more than what DH was charging), or
82 EA CO AS: Because this provision robs successful airlines of the ability to charge market rates for their product when the other carrier goes Tango-Uniform. So
83 PITrules: Where were you for all the obnoxious anti-ACA threads in this forum over the years? Or all the obnoxious anti-Independence threads as this venture wa
84 Tornado82: Probably most average consumers didn't have a clue that FlyI was in any kind of poor economic shape in October, let alone April. So it should be thei
85 Flypdx: I joined A.Net in April 2005 (as you can see by my user info above my post) so I wasn't here for either of those topics you discuss.
86 PITrules: Fair enough. It was pretty ugly in here at times.
87 Atmx2000: Perhaps Congress should require that airlines that are in financial distress not sell tickets more than two or three months in advance instead. Or pe
88 Lightsaber: Nice info. One question, besides bonus FF miles, what does one get for paying for a higher price coach fare bin? There should be something in the mix
89 USAF336TFS: Hey Virgin America, you guys paying any attention???
90 EA CO AS: You don't have to "stalk A.net 24/7" to be an informed consumer. Besides, their woes have been well-documented in the mainstream media. But yes, ulti
91 FCYTravis: What if they *didn't* take the cheap way out, bought tickets on expensive-as-hell US Airways, and US Airways had gone Chapter 7 and liquidated?
92 Flyidaho: I wish all the former FLYi employees the best of luck. If you got the aviation bug as bad as a lot of us do then you'll find yourselves doing what you
93 Par13del: My sympathies to all employees. A question for the A.net pros. There is usually a "general tone" on this site concerning unions and bad employees when
94 EA CO AS: Awful lot of "What ifs" there, don't you think? So are you saying that consumers should always be bailed out of their own poor choices and/or bad luc
95 Tornado82: Well if East-coast consumers only bought on non-bankrupt airlines... Continental would be by far the biggest airline on Earth, JetBlue in 2nd, and So
96 WesternA318: "However, my suspicion remains that those of you who say that you'd be willing to pay more usually travel non-revenue anyway. And shop at Wal-Mart bec
97 JerseyGuy: Its on a standby basis, if FlyI was still in business that seat would go empty and make $0
98 Atmx2000: While I agree the purpose was to ensure people continued to fly and buy airline tickets, I don't think the vast majority of people are using all of t
99 Tornado82: Well the next time you need laundry detergent, toilet paper, a pack of ink pens, and a pair of pliers... good luck finding it at Mens Wearhouse... or
100 Lightsaber: If I may answer this; this law was done, as I noted earlier, a la the FDIC to prevent runs on the banks way back in 1930's. While if one bank fails,
101 Halls120: Yes, they should. Indy's financial situation was no surprise to anyone who reads a newspaper or watches the TV news. And for those that don't do eith
102 APFPilot1985: It actually looks to me like the jacked up their prices..... RSW-BUF $349
103 Midway2airtran: Any agreement with United may have been doomed at that start anyway, afterall, look at AWAC. DH had two choices, continue dependence on United and ki
104 Apodino: Lucky for me, Home Depot, Office Depot, and the Supermarket are all within 5 minutes of each other. Anything to avoid support that pathetic Wal Mart.
105 Blsbls99: If anything, any airline that ends up with Flyi passengers after the shutdown on $50 fee/fares will make more money. Those passengers are standby, and
106 EA CO AS: Let's stop whirling off in other directions that aren't relevant and come back to the question at hand - why is it that successful carriers should be
107 AV8AJET: I would guess a mix between ASA, Skywest, and AirCanada Jazz. They have all taken some of the CRJ's and maybe some other airlines too. Not sure on th
108 FCYTravis: If consumers did not have this safeguard, ailing airlines would be forced into collapse because ticket-buyers would get gunshy real quick. I don't see
109 JerseyGuy: My big problem with not having this law is for a customer who now has to pay full fare or a less restricted fare because he/she doesn't book 14 days
110 EA CO AS: This affects every customer though - not just those that are stranded, but also the ones who have yet to take their trip and can still decide to buy
111 Atmx2000: $50 dollars one way doesn't cover much more than fuel, labor expenses and amenities on a short 2 to 3 hour segment. Also think about the extra proces
112 AirEMS: My prayers are with the employees.... I wish that the year didn't have to start like this.. -Fly Safe Carl
113 Atmx2000: If the airlines which were riskier bets were avoided like the plague by consumers, perhaps the airline industry would be in much better shape by now,
114 Blsbls99: Extra labor and amenities? How much is a bag of peanuts and a half can of Coke? How many extra customer service agents have to be put on shift/hired?
115 CentPIT: Flyi employees: I hope all goes well in your future and you are in my prayers. My deepest sympathy goes out to you.
116 Malaysia: Maybe Ed Acker should have done something to stop Skeen and Moore? but it never happened nor he might have had any real idea what to do since Air Flor
117 Bicoastal: There are tons of jobs at Dulles for ground ops and customer service. Pilots and FAs are another matter.
118 GMUAirbusA320: Wow, Flypdx...I'm sure they appreciate your sympathy. I worked at DH until Dec. 19th, and knew for sure they were bust, I could read in between the l
119 FlyCMH: Well, I have to say, going into work today was one of the most humbling experiences I've ever had. Never in my life have I seen such an outpouring of
120 Miami1: What a horrible, insensitive comment. That is really low. Just another reason I do not read these boards much anymore.
121 AJMIA: That's harsh. I applaud them for trying to make things work until the bitter end. You have to respect someone who rides it all the way down because t
122 Max999: Even though I've never flown with FlyI, I have to commend your good atitude in these trying times. The chocolates and flowers seem well deserved.
123 AJMIA: Not necessarily. The passenger would have either purchased the ticket with the other airline originally or would be buying a new one now, but in eith
124 Piercey: My thoughts are with the employees of Indy. I never flew DH, but have heard very good things about you guys. Keep a smile until DH1777 parks for the f
125 Tornado82: Spoken like a true nonrev who thinks they're the most important thing to the history of aviation.
126 Clickhappy: Non rev is bottom of the barrell. Paying customers first, always
127 Phatfarmlines: My only round trip flight on DH was good, despite the delay I experienced on the way out. I knew the airline would have significant operating and over
128 777ER: How many A320 family aircraft do they have and on order? Would Jetblue consider some of them?
129 Flypdx: I am sorry you feel that way. The reason I made my comment, and worded it the way I did, was because there were several members being extremely rude
130 TOLtommy: Then you'd better tell AA to correct their website. I posted the link to my source, and it came direct from AA.
131 TOLtommy: Nothing. Just another reason why the vast majority of customers don't do it. Only those hooked on FF miles. While this former CO plat elite still pla
132 Jacobin777: well..you should let AA know, as I've travelled every now and then on a Q ticket and still got all my miles.. I didn't make that statement..you quote
133 ContnlEliteCMH: From one fellow Columbus resident to another: good luck to you in your next endeavor. Like all of us, you will do well because you work hard, and har
134 Flypdx: If Mesa for example picks up a bunch of the RJs, wouldn't it also be possible for Mesa to pick up a bunch of ex-flyI employees, or does mesa have ampl
135 Northwestair: Actually Co is expected to post a Loss for the 2005 year, so you can't say that Co is profitable just because they sold some assests to make money.
136 EA CO AS: I agree...except for the fact that AJMIA is not talking about paying customers here. He's talking about customers of ANOTHER airline who his carrier
137 MSYtristar: Having been part of one airline bankruptcy (Vanguard), I just want to give all the FlyI employees out there my sympathy. I know what it's like. It wil
138 Skyexramper: Well I'll just say this...Flyi lasted a year longer than anyone expected.
139 Vega: A little blurb on the air fare impact: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2006-01-03-indy-sidebar-usat_x.htm Excuse if it's already posted and buried
140 Bluetech: 12 319's in service and I'm not sure about their orders. While the 319's have the same engine (v-2500) I don't think B6 will accommodate the slight d
141 NASBWI: Thank you so much. It's only been three months, but they've been enjoyable. Yesterday was pretty tough to get through after we got the news; it'
142 Malaysia: I admire those who went down with Independence Air to the last day in good standing, They are true and real aviation professionals with pride. Those w
143 Mcdu: Your bitterness at the end of the dream is understandable. However, these are people with families, mortgages, credit cards and all the other debts a
144 Frequentflyer: Yeah that's what I had heard too. Always sad when you see an airline go belly up
145 SeeTheWorld: After freeloading on Airlinersnet.com for a year, I have joined and this is my first posting. Many of you are reading far too much into the $50 standb
146 J_Hallgren: Received this email from Indy this a.m. because I had signed up for their news back when I was looking at doing a trip that never happened... Haven't
147 EA CO AS: What's Airlinersnet.com? Did this site change its name? The point had been made repeatedly, but again my counterpoint is that consumers should not be
148 Sinlock: It's true, but keep in mind airlines of the past have had at the time of their concept "flawed" business models and have turned out to be major winne
149 N844AA: I think it would be better characterized as moving part of the risk from the consumer to the solvent carriers. Given that the consumer's choice -- po
150 RayChuang: Let's face it folks. Independence Air failed because they were too late to the low-cost carrier (LCC) market, a niche successfully carved out by South
151 Mikey711MN: Agreed. It's not as though the law explicitly impedes existing, solvent airlines from operating their business any differently, so I don't buy the ar
152 LTBEWR: Part of the reason for the failed airline transfer is politics, mainly to protect stranded and distressed pax/customers. Over the years, many airlines
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