Whataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1772 times:
The other day I saw the new AT&T commercial and they show a 747, it looks as if it is TWA, but I can not make it out and I tried to play the commercial on my computer so I can pause it but media player will not play it. Does anyone know what airline was used and if it were TWA who gets the royalties from the use of its' name? Thanks everyone
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MrMcCoy From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 377 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1741 times:
Havn't seen it yet.. perhaps it was TWA footage purchased by Air Hollywood? AH recetnly purchased a TON of old footage, and has been (and still is) looking through it all for cataloging.
AH is the owner of TWA's old film studio in San Fernando, and still has the 707, 741, and L-1011 mockups for filming.
It only takes five years to go from rumor to standard operating procedure.
PSAjet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1615 times:
Just watched this commercial twice and at first glance it does look like the TWA scheme.
MarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1599 times:
TWA had their own studio? Was this some old throw back to the Howard Hughes days?
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Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 28 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1584 times:
I just saw the ad. You really cannot make out if the colors are TWA but it does resemble TWA markings of the eighties.
Being the plane markings are unclear, I would saw there will be NOT royalties to AA or anyone here.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
UpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 206 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1563 times:
I have seen the add about six million times as CNN played it every commercial break during their new years coverage, and honestly, It looks completely fake. The plane looks rather plastic and seems to be just some generic red striping on the side of the plane.
Dave
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DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1529 times:
Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 5): I have seen the add about six million times as CNN played it every commercial break during their new years coverage, and honestly, It looks completely fake.
We have to get our name out there for you all to see since heaven forbid you've never heard of AT&T (even though my company was bought by SBC a few years ago.) I saw the ads a few weeks ago when they launched them internally and my first thought was that was a TWA plane. Isn't it a -400 series though? And TWA never flew those did they?
As a side note I find it amusing how much we have spent on the ad campaign and all they did was change to logo a little bit and change AT&T from uppercase letters to lowercase ones. Somedays I think there must be a 2 drink minimum to work in Marketing and Advertising.
[Edited 2006-01-03 04:55:50]
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Premobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 376 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1514 times:
UpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 206 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1462 times:
DeltaGator, can u enlighten me. What the hell does an individual use at&t for anymore. Your wireless unit is gone, the cable companies offer the most speed for the buck on internet. I have no need for a land-line so why would i need at&t? Are primarily a biz to biz company now?
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Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9321 posts, RR: 76 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
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Cingular Wireless will be changing their name to AT&T Wireless
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1350 times:
Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 8): DeltaGator, can u enlighten me. What the hell does an individual use at&t for anymore. Your wireless unit is gone, the cable companies offer the most speed for the buck on internet. I have no need for a land-line so why would i need at&t? Are primarily a biz to biz company now?
Yes, they are primarily a biz to biz company as you knew it. SBC bought AT&T but took the AT&T name since it was better known on a global scale. SBC has the local Telco service for a good portion of the US but also offers DSL, Dish service and LD across the nation. AT&T has a huge network for companies to use for global WAN connectivity and of course still offers long distance service. SBC owns 60% of Cingular so we have the wireless business. And then you have my group of 200 folks (literally a rounding error on the books!) who are the consulting arm of the company who deal with large scale security, enterprise operating systems, ops management, and IP Telephony/Contact Center projects (with the last one being my area.) There is a lot more to it than that but we offer stuff to businesses and the consumer across the entire company.
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9): Cingular Wireless will be changing their name to AT&T Wireless
What? I can't see that happening. Even though AT&T sold off the wireless business to Cingular (60% owned by SBC) the Cingular brand is pretty strong while the AT&T Wireless name was somewhat damaged goods in the marketplace. That said, Marketing will do whatever the hell they think makes sense even though the majority of us would sit back and go huh? It may happen but IMO I don't think they will kill off the Cingular name.
[Edited 2006-01-03 12:13:18]
[Edited 2006-01-03 12:14:05]
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UpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 206 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1278 times:
Thanks DeltaGator, very interesting that cingular is bacj under the roof of AT&T
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DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1267 times:
Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 11): Thanks DeltaGator, very interesting that cingular is bacj under the roof of AT&T
No problem. Glad to be of some help.
The retirement announcements have been flying back and forth across email but the majority of the new management strucure seems to be SBC folks since we were the ones doing the buying. What amuses me is that a Baby Bell has bought Ma Bell. So much for the 1984 breakup.
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DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1188 times:
Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 8): DeltaGator, can u enlighten me. What the hell does an individual use at&t for anymore.
One other thing I forgot. We still supply phones to customers at a pretty high rental rate. You will find old folks out there that still have old AT&T phones in their house who think they "have" to get their phones from the phone company like the old days.
Quoting TWAviator (Reply 13): Quoting Premobrimo (Reply 7):
I thought it looked like Air India
I was thinking the same here
Here's a pic from the video I got. Looks almost like it has a winglet on the right wing but none on the left wing. I can kind of see the Air India thing but I still lean more towards TWA.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
I work in the film industry and I can tell that there is so much manipulation in the post production these days, that as far as I can tell it could be a herpawings model.
Sammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1683 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10): What? I can't see that happening. Even though AT&T sold off the wireless business to Cingular (60% owned by SBC) the Cingular brand is pretty strong while the AT&T Wireless name was somewhat damaged goods in the marketplace. That said, Marketing will do whatever the hell they think makes sense even though the majority of us would sit back and go huh? It may happen but IMO I don't think they will kill off the Cingular name.
I agree. They just went and converted the AT&T customers to Cingular (at least in name) so I don't see them converting them all back again. ATTWS was a waste of time from day one anyways for AT&T.
Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 11): very interesting that cingular is bacj under the roof of AT&T
Clickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9321 posts, RR: 76 Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1163 times:
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1146 times:
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 17): The Cingular to AT&T change is a done deal
N844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1135 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 18): Interesting. Haven't seen that one announced internally yet.
From a consumer's perspective, I would be shocked if that were true. I know a friend of mine -- a former AT&T customer -- who went through hell trying to change his calling plan, and "Cingular Blue's" and "Cingular Orange's" apparent inability to communicate with each other. I can't imagine he was alone in the confusion, and I'd think that with the attention wireless providers pay to their churn rate, they wouldn't want to risk confusing some percentage of their customer base -- particularly after a long, costly rebranding scheme.
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UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2175 posts, RR: 15 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1111 times:
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 9): Cingular Wireless will be changing their name to AT&T Wireless
Not necessarily, there is a lot more to it than that, read below for details!
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10): What? I can't see that happening. Even though AT&T sold off the wireless business to Cingular (60% owned by SBC) the Cingular brand is pretty strong while the AT&T Wireless name was somewhat damaged goods in the marketplace. That said, Marketing will do whatever the hell they think makes sense even though the majority of us would sit back and go huh? It may happen but IMO I don't think they will kill off the Cingular name.
Cingular is a joint project 60% at&t (SBC) 40% SW Bell. When the final approvals came through in the SBC buyout of AT&T, and Cingular was all buttoned up SBC made the announcement that they would change their name to at&t. Along with that they said that they would also be changing Cingular's name to at&t. SW Bell was not too happy about this and said that they would object to that, but with at&t (SBC) owning 60% they have more push over the matter.
For now the issue has died down with the PR group at Cingular saying that for now the name will not change. Also at&t's CEO has not commented on it since SW Bell showed dislike to the idea
Quoting Sammyk (Reply 16): I agree. They just went and converted the AT&T customers to Cingular (at least in name) so I don't see them converting them all back again. ATTWS was a waste of time from day one anyways for AT&T.
ATTWS was a huge profit maker for a long time. It wasn't until the TDMA platform started becoming dated and they launched GSM that it started loosing money...
As for the name change, the reason that they would want to change the name back to at&t would be because the new at&t (SBC) would than have their name constantly advertised throughout the country building a strong brand for their other products. Now the reason that SW Bell does not want the name to change is because the new at&t and SW Bell compete in all other areas of business so it would be giving their competition a great deal of free publicity.....
Now as mentioned above at&t (SBC) is a large local phone service company in the US and for their local customers they will be offering wireless service under the name at&t as part of bundled service packages. Of course it will be on the Cingular platform just using the at&t name the same was SW Bell offers it to their local customers as part of the bundled services package...
Its all about brand recognition people!!!
Quoting Sammyk (Reply 16): Actually, AT&T is under the roof of Cingular.
Ummm NO they are not........ Again at&t owns Cingular along with SW Bell
Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 17): The Cingular to AT&T change is a done deal
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 20): Cingular is a joint project 60% at&t (SBC) 40% SW Bell.
I think you mean BellSouth. SW Bell and Ameritech became SBC which is now AT&T. Through it all though Callisma (my group) as kept their name but that may change soon although I'll be the last to know.
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DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1077 times:
I just realized how far off topic we have gotten. Any more ideas on the 747 in the pic?
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Ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3228 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1039 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 21): I think you mean BellSouth. SW Bell and Ameritech became SBC which is now AT&T. Through it all though Callisma (my group) as kept their name but that may change soon although I'll be the last to know.
Isn't it more like Southwestern Bell became SBC (hence the letters) and then acquired Ameritech? I remember them operating under the SBC name a little while before they started buying up everyone.
Quoting Sammyk (Reply 16): Actually, AT&T is under the roof of Cingular.
Well close. Hehe. AT&T is under the roof of SBC, which is also parent (to an extent) of Cingular...even though the parent company has adopted the AT&T name.
Oh well, who cares. I gave up on SBC years ago...I prefer to just have Cox run everything, cell is with Nextel...errr Sprint. Just think tomorrow another name vanishes as US Airways will cease using the America West name in any public fashion - regardless of the certificate name.
Whataboutme From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 173 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1021 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22): I just realized how far off topic we have gotten. Any more ideas on the 747 in the pic?
Well DeltaGator you started this.......
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14): Here's a pic from the video I got. Looks almost like it has a winglet on the right wing but none on the left wing. I can kind of see the Air India thing but I still lean more towards TWA.
Looking at your pic you posted, I really think it is TWA, but it isn't a 400.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 25, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 924 times:
Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 24): Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
I just realized how far off topic we have gotten. Any more ideas on the 747 in the pic?
Well DeltaGator you started this.......
I know. People asked and I started jabbering. My bad.
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I saw the ads a few weeks ago when they launched them internally and my first thought was that was a TWA plane. Isn't it a -400 series though? And TWA never flew those did they?
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