Psa188 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 418 posts, RR: 24 Reply 2, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 13640 times:
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 1): P.S. I think you nearly gave some people here heart attacks with that thread title!
Yes, I didn't like seeing that this early in the morning.
JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4533 posts, RR: 53 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13343 times:
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 1):
They probably need it immediately, or the paintshop was not available right now.
Most likely, KLM Cityhopper operated 2 Fokker 70's (PH-KZO/R) in Britsh Midland c/s with KLc t/s for a while because they missed their slot in the paintshop.
Fokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 233 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12048 times:
I kinda like the KLBMI livery
What engines are fitted on the ex-Pelita F100's? Tay620 I assume, since all KL F100's have Tay620 engines, if I recall correctly?
Pelita operated them for just four years, anyone know why? According to airfleets.net they have still 2 F100's left, of which one was obtained directly from Fokker in 1990 and one from Midway in 2003. Will they leave Pelita anytime soon?
Also, anyone know what's going to happen with 11445, the 4th ex-Pelita which was stored together with the 3 ex-Pelita's that are now with KLC?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. -Albert Einstein
AMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 947 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11688 times:
Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 8): What engines are fitted on the ex-Pelita F100's? Tay620 I assume, since all KL F100's have Tay620 engines, if I recall correctly?
These will indeed be the first in KLM's fleet with Tay 650-15. The very first, exTAM PH-LMV already left the fleet after flying for KLM for a few months only.
Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 8): Pelita operated them for just four years, anyone know why? According to airfleets.net they have still 2 F100's left, of which one was obtained directly from Fokker in 1990 and one from Midway in 2003. Will they leave Pelita anytime soon?
Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 8): Also, anyone know what's going to happen with 11445, the 4th ex-Pelita which was stored together with the 3 ex-Pelita's that are now with KLC?
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 7347 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11606 times:
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4396 times:
d**** you probably broke the record for most heart attacks/hypervenelations in the history of A.net!
NO MORE EUROWHITE!!!!
The horror! I'm sure your lives wouldn't come to an end if they painted them white. They would be pretty plain looking but the apocalypse wouldn't occur with a new paint job.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1815 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4062 times:
Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 9): These will indeed be the first in KLM's fleet with Tay 650-15. The very first, exTAM PH-LMV already left the fleet after flying for KLM for a few months only.
This plane is going to be the first Fokker 100 with refitted engines. A nice little project of Stork (and Rekkof). If things work out okay, look out for more KLM Fokkers to be reengined.
Beertrucker From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 390 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3874 times:
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 1): P.S. I think you nearly gave some people here heart attacks with that thread title!
Someone call 911 we have a person down!!!!!! "CLEARRRRRRRR" ok we got a pulse.
ok that was the sound in my office when i came in and saw that title to this thread.
don't do that to us.
don't worry they will paint them before too long.
as you can see by these other examples.
Delta/Western
Delta/PanAm
Continental/PeoplExpress(fun fact the 737 in third pic is 9th 737 ever built)
Continental/New York Air
Continental/Frontier
Usair/Piedmont
Northwest/Republic
TWA/Ozark(harder one to see on both shots take a close look at cheatline)
Republic/Hughes Air West
Fokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 233 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3792 times:
Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 15): This plane is going to be the first Fokker 100 with refitted engines. A nice little project of Stork (and Rekkof). If things work out okay, look out for more KLM Fokkers to be reengined.
This is really good news!
Is it safe to say that if this will be successful, there's a good chance for Rekkof to succeed?
Is there already information about which engines will be used (RR I assume)? And when the retrofit will be ready?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. -Albert Einstein
Lijnden From Netherlands, joined Apr 2003, 551 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3598 times:
Did somebody say Rekkof?
I thought the upgrading and MX of Fokkers is and will be done by Stork. Why is Rekkof, after all these years, still a ghost instead only alive on this sight instead of a running company making planes?
I thought the upgrading and MX of Fokkers is and will be done by Stork. Why is Rekkof, after all these years, still a ghost instead only alive on this sight instead of a running company making planes?
Yes, somebody said Rekkof. Rekkof is actually involved in the retrofitting of this F100, according to my information. Alive? Not visibly. Dead? Not at all.
And don't forget you can't just start manufacturing planes and expect that everything will turn out just as good you hope. Aviation business is rather complicated, especially in this case.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. -Albert Einstein
PHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
Quoting Fokker70NG (Reply 21): Aviation business is rather complicated, especially in this case.
It's rather expensive as well... It's hard to accept, but Rekkof most likely will need government money in some way. Not that I think this is a problem, on the contrary, but it's hard with all this EU hassle nowadays. There's lot of ego's involved with Fokker, and it wouldn't be very wise to do it for the sake of it. It should be a sound economic decision, not a matter of national pride.
Like stated in another post on the forum; chances of Fokker (Rekkof) are there as long as KL still needs to replace their fleet. Once they choose for e.g. Embrear; Rekkof isn't invisible, they've disappeared.
I want to make clear I am a Fokker fan so no offense please!
Fokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 233 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 22): It's rather expensive as well... It's hard to accept, but Rekkof most likely will need government money in some way. Not that I think this is a problem, on the contrary, but it's hard with all this EU hassle nowadays. There's lot of ego's involved with Fokker, and it wouldn't be very wise to do it for the sake of it. It should be a sound economic decision, not a matter of national pride.
Of course it's expensive, but the most expensive part is are R&D costs and Rekkof stated they only want to manufacture the existing F70/F100's. With the new-engine plans there are of course some more R&D costs involved, but I don't think that will be the problem.
My guess is that the biggest problem is politics. Aviation business (especially manufacturing, look at Boeing and Airbus) is totally covered with politics. If I read the posts from the people that seem to know more about the project than we do (from the past half year), I get the feeling that this is just about politics. And believe me, politics can be a way bigger problem than money....
Quoting Aviopic (Reply 23): Guess I visited the wrong warehouse with an enormous amount of material then.
Sounds good! Could you tell us a little more about that warehouse?
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. -Albert Einstein
25 Allessandro: Which engines will be installed? I know that it is not possible to fit an Tay620 on a Tay650 airframe.
26 Jetset7E7: The Eurowhite KLM F100 PH-OFL made its first appearance at MAN yesterday, but had to nightstop due to "Technical Problems" Quote from ringwayreports.c
27 Mauriceb: First F-100 is already being repainted, look at www.qaps.nl for pics
28 Bennett123: How many people are employed by Rekkof?.
29 MH017: OFL will remain in Eurowhite for the time-being. OFM will be delivered to KLC in their new-colours around 23jan06 (that's the one shown at the Qaps-s
30 PHKLM: Good to see some people understand the problem. Even IF they have the cash (and a lot of it) there are numerous problems; on the one hand the ones wit
31 LifelinerOne: Politics have always been one of the biggest obstacles of Rekkof's startup. Money has never been the main issue, as the original business case of Rekk
32 BDKLEZ: Do the "new" F100's have a rear passenger door?[Edited 2006-01-06 23:46:42]
33 JRadier: none of the F-100's has a door in the back, so I wouldn't see why the new ones (I recon you are talking about the rekkof ones?) would have one
34 Lijnden: Maybe I should stick to the topic about Fokkers in euro-white colors? But still this Rekkof story is important because if it is true what is stated, i
35 MD90fan: Whats the difference between the two engines?
36 Allessandro: Fokker Services B.V. is Type Certificate Holder for the Fokker F27, Fokker F28, Fokker 50, Fokker 60, Fokker 70 and Fokker 100. The design is also ow
37 Ptrjong: Found this: Tay 650 has a wider fan and a new two-stage HP turbine. Uprated to 15.100lb (67,0kN) from 13.850lb (61,5kN). Why not? Do you mean PH-LMV?
38 Ptrjong: In fact, the PH-LMV airframe has always had Tay 650 engines, as AMSSFO pointed out. So what's the re-engining project about? PH-LMV is 'in storage' at
39 Fokker70NG: You're right, for that reason it was surprising KLM bought the LMV from TAM because KLM had an all Tay620 Fokker fleet. So it made no sense to buy a
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