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MIA Faces Hurdles In 2006; But Sees A Good Year  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

Miami International Airport, which has not seen the traffic uptick that other airports have, will open the brand new Concourse J early this summer. On budget and on time, the $800M terminal hads 15 international gates at a time when there is plenty of gatespace for others, but the airport is hoping the state of the art terminal will be an image boost for itself. Along with the fairly new Concourse H, the south terminal will house all skyTeam and Star Alliance airlines. The airport is also hoping that capacity constraints which are still contiuing at FLL will help business in 2006, along with the hopeful entry of new lowcost carriers, the most rumoured being jetBlue and Frontier, and a handful of international carriers - with Domodeovo Airlines and Aer Lingus expected to arrive in 2006.

The airport still faces the hurdles of very high landing fees, but is hoping that the fact that airport is very uncongested and commands above average fares, will help make up for it. The past few months have seen good news for MIA. Among some things:

-American Airlines has heavily increased their domestic route network from the airport, noteably to key Southeast cities that can now be viable thanks to RJs. New markets added in 2005 included Norfolk, Dayton, Greensboro, Louisville, and Memphis.

-American Airlines has also added frequencies in 2005 in key business markets, including Philadelphia, LaGuardia, Los Angeles, Panama City, and Toronto.

-American Airlines, partly for competitive reasons, is expanding the number of Caribbean and vacation island destinations served from MIA, having added Bermuda, St. Kitts & Nevis, and St. Lucia in the past year, with rumours of Antigua, Bonaire, Grenada, and Roatan coming next.

-Delta Airlines has added three non-stop destinations to Miami in the past month. Daily service now operates to Salt Lake City and New York City-JFK, and 2x daily MD88 service to LaGuardia begins in February, the only mainline Delta service between the Northeast and Florida (they do operate Delta Shuttle aircraft on Saturday SRQ flights from BOS and LGA, though).

-Iberia Airlines, which closed their Miami hub due to immigration rules that made it difficult to operate, will reintroduce their second Miami frequency this summer, operating 11 weekly flight between Miami and Madrid.

-Russia's Domodedovo Airlines plans on beginning three weekly non-stops between Miami and Moscow (DME) this April, but is still awaiting DOT approval (given it usually takes four months to get approval, we should hear something about what the DOT has decided by the end of the month).

-A new incentive program started by the airport waives landing fees for a year for any new airline starting any new route, even if there is an existing airline flying the route.

-American Airlines' new fare structure has been a tremendous success in boosting the airline's domestic O&D traffic at MIA, which is up more than 10%.

With that being said, there are still negatives. High operating costs are still scaring away the likes of jetBlue, and American Airlines continues to heavily increase their dominance, which is restricting growth oppurtunities for other airlines and running others, like United, out. ATA airlines made a splash by re-announcing MIA in the fall, only to cancel the service a few weeks before it would start. Airport officials are also curious as to who exactly will have interests in serving the E, F, and G concourses with billion dollar north and south concourses opening that have plenty of space for everyone. The airport is considering implementing lower operating/usage fees for airlines that use the older facilities. I personally predict 2006 will be one of the brightest years for MIA in a long time. Nothing spectacular, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a 3.5-4.5% increase in traffic, largely in part to American Airlines and skyTeam, and the hopeful entrance of a second lowfare carrier to compliment airTran. And, on the bright side, when all the expansion is complete, MIA will have the capability to handle over 60M passengers a year (a number that will take at least two decades to reach), meaning that it has plenty of space for growth without traffic restraints.

Full article:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...kages/business_monday/13527938.htm


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6762 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Interesting.. but from what i can tell, MIA is just too dang expensive to work. Just because an airline can charge more money to fly into MIA, would the people actually be willing to PAY a higher fare or would they be willing to just go to FLL and drive down? Me, I would rather pay Southwest or Delta $200 to FLL and get a rental car than to pay $400 to MIA. The average person is still saving money any kinda way. Now if MIA can get their total fees around the $5-7 range.. hey! that would be killer. But I think now it is around $14-15 or something like that? Uhmm.. no.

Best of luck to them, but I think that even though FLL is crowded and cramped like roaches in a jar.. it's a reasonable tradeoff than spending your 401K to fly into MIA.



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Well, having the facilities there for growth is a good thing. Definitely one step ahead of FLL who doesn't have the facilities (gates) needed for further growth.

I do hope that JetBlue will expand HEAVILY into MIA. Miami would be a good market for them, but I hope they maintain a focus on FLL. Unfortunately, they are not happy with FLL because of the lack of additional gates, the fact that they have to work a split operation in FLL (two gates in one wing and two - soon to be three gates in another). Unfortunately with each area having separate security checkpoints, it forces JetBlue to have higher operating costs. Two sets of employees have to be used to ensure proper staffing in each wing. If they were in the same wing, they could have less employees = lower costs.

With that said, I know that JetBlue has their "hub" and "crew base" in FLL (one of only three). So, they are committed to FLL, and they would rather have the a larger operation there than in MIA. It wouldn't make sense to have the crew base in FLL and have most of the flights starting/ending in MIA.

Let's hope that FLL works to ensure JetBlue maintains a large operation in FLL and doesn't let JetBlue go south to MIA.  Smile

Rob


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
Interesting.. but from what i can tell, MIA is just too dang expensive to work. Just because an airline can charge more money to fly into MIA, would the people actually be willing to PAY a higher fare or would they be willing to just go to FLL and drive down? Me, I would rather pay Southwest or Delta $200 to FLL and get a rental car than to pay $400 to MIA. The average person is still saving money any kinda way. Now if MIA can get their total fees around the $5-7 range.. hey! that would be killer. But I think now it is around $14-15 or something like that? Uhmm.. no.

Best of luck to them, but I think that even though FLL is crowded and cramped like roaches in a jar.. it's a reasonable tradeoff than spending your 401K to fly into MIA.

You are way overexageratting the premium paid by MIA passengers.

American Airlines already matches jetBlue's fares from FLL on their MIA flights, and they also match most of Southwest's fares to Orlando and Tampa.

The premium paid by using MIA is by business passengers who are very price elastic and will pay it regardless. The average traveler does not pay huge premiums to fly to MIA. At most, it is $30-$40, which is cheaper than the $70 cabfare from FLL to Miami. I use MIA almost exclusively, and when I crosshop with FLL fares at AA.com, the fares are almost always identical.



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User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Why is the cost of operating in MIA so much higher than FLL?

Wouldn't they be better off lowering operating costs? Then airlines could feasibly operate in MIA. If the costs are that much higher, it's no wonder airlines are retreating to FLL.

Rob


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 2):

With that said, I know that JetBlue has their "hub" and "crew base" in FLL (one of only three). So, they are committed to FLL, and they would rather have the a larger operation there than in MIA. It wouldn't make sense to have the crew base in FLL and have most of the flights starting/ending in MIA.

Crew is based in a city - Miami/Fort Lauderdale - not an airport, so it isn't a huge problem. Many jetBlue FA's based in Fort Lauderdale live in Miami-Dade County, just as many of AA and DL's Miami-based flight crew live in Broward.



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1894 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Is there any possibility of the A380 coming to MIA? Perhaps AF?

Cheers!



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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

I always assumed MIA was the congested airport and FLL was the reliever. Guess I was wrong?!? I am really hoping that JFK-MIA (5 DAILY) is on the scope for B6. I think B6 would fare well giving AA some healthy competition out of MIA. I think routes to BOS, IAD, LGB, BQN, and PCE would also do well.

User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

On the contrary, MIA is not always higher than FLL. I flew LAS-MIA on AA
on Dec24th and MIA-LAS on AA on Dec 28th and the fares were cheaper
on AA from MIA than anything from FLL. FLL is only 5miles from my house so for convenience it is definitely my choice, but simple economics made it
more affordable to fly into MIA instead.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 4):
Why is the cost of operating in MIA so much higher than FLL?

Wouldn't they be better off lowering operating costs? Then airlines could feasibly operate in MIA. If the costs are that much higher, it's no wonder airlines are retreating to FLL.

The high costs are to pay for the expensive facilities, and there isn't much MIA can do about it, sadly. What MIA could do that might lower costs is allow airlines to lease gates. As it is, airline pay per-flight charges. MIA's landing fees are actually very competitive and low. It is other fees - gate usage fees, towing fees, fueling fees - that make it expensive.

Quoting 797 (Reply 6):
Is there any possibility of the A380 coming to MIA? Perhaps AF?

Of course. Air France, Lufthansa, and Virgin Atlantic are all likely canidates.



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User currently offlineSlvrblt From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 133 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Well......while it's true that MIA may have the capacity for 60M passengers, but you wouldn't be able to get them processed and boarded.

TSA staffing has been cut, during the holiday rush we had people with boarding passes in hand that still missed because they just couldn't get thru the checkpoint lines.....that were closed. Check out the TSA's website that shows their holding times. And, immigration delays are horrific and aren't getting better.

TSA and immigration are government agencies, but MIA will suffer until this gets worked out and fixed. I handle at least 3 or 4 people a day who miss connecting flights because of immigration delays and declare never to come thru MIA again.



..everything works out in the end.
User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
American Airlines already matches jetBlue's fares from FLL on their MIA flights, and they also match most of Southwest's fares to Orlando and Tampa.

Not on the West Coast flights. AA´s LAX-MIA price is a joke and sometimes even the LAX-FLL is up there. LGB-FLL maitins a decent constant price which has worked out well for me. Just share a van or ride the tri-rail into MIA. 10 bucks a pop plus an extra 30 min is better than flying in to MIA for about 100 more. well at least in my eyes...

MGA



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Quoting Slvrblt (Reply 10):
Well......while it's true that MIA may have the capacity for 60M passengers, but you wouldn't be able to get them processed and boarded.

Quite obviously, if MIA sees more traffic, they will see more TSA agents as the traffic increases. That won't be a huge issue. There is already huge discrepencies in the distribution of agents at MIA. A huge bulk of MIA's flights leave through Concourse A, D, E, and H. However, Concourses A, C, D, and E Lower are all connected behind security. On Monday, there was a huge line at Concourse D, where my flight to O'Hare was departing, so I simply walked to Concourse C, and was the only person at the checkpoint, which has three machines for four gates.

A new immigration facility opens at MIA this summer for Concourse H and J. MIA is trying to figure out what mix of airlines to put into the South Terminal to get it properly staffed.

Quoting MGA (Reply 11):
Not on the West Coast flights. AA�s LAX-MIA price is a joke and sometimes even the LAX-FLL is up there. LGB-FLL maitins a decent constant price which has worked out well for me. Just share a van or ride the tri-rail into MIA. 10 bucks a pop plus an extra 30 min is better than flying in to MIA for about 100 more. well at least in my eyes...

Check again. 14 day advance purchase for AA MIA-LAX is right now $238 roudn-trip. jetBlue is at $223 for FLL-LGB on certain days, but as high as $273 on others. Personal experiences will vary, but the majority of the time you will find the fares at MIA are within $10-$15 (less or more) of the fare from FLL, as most airlines now price match MIA with FLL, including AA, who does indeed match jetBlue's FLL-LGB fares on MIA-LAX. The fare difference becomes more significant for last minute departures.

[Edited 2006-01-04 21:46:53]

[Edited 2006-01-04 21:48:50]


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User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4009 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting MGA (Reply 11):
Not on the West Coast flights. AA´s LAX-MIA price is a joke and sometimes even the LAX-FLL is up there.

When you say "a joke" you mean cheap, right?  Wink
Straight from aa.com, one way fares Miami-LAX:
Jan 06, $319 (tomorrow)
Jan 13, $139
Jan 20, $119
In no way "up there".


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):
would the people actually be willing to PAY a higher fare or would they be willing to just go to FLL and drive down?

Maybe for visitors to the area, but for anybody living down here, especially east and south of MIA, getting to FLL is quite a pain in the neck. Interstate 95 is the only major roadway and is pretty traffic clogged from downtown Miami through the first 10 miles up in the direction of FLL.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
so I simply walked to Concourse C, and was the only person at the checkpoint, which has three machines for four gates.

Shhhhhhh! Let's try to keep the security checkpoint at Concourse C a secret! I use it all the time, no matter what gate in the A, D or E concourse my flight is leaving from.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 14):

Shhhhhhh! Let's try to keep the security checkpoint at Concourse C a secret! I use it all the time, no matter what gate in the A, D or E concourse my flight is leaving from.

Ditto. I love the C checkpoint. Sad that it is likely to be leaving us sometime in '06 when C closes down for the new mid-D gates to be built.



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User currently offlineTismfu From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

I would love for MIA to spend some of this money to improve what can be horrendous wait times at security checkpoints and customs/immigration. I know it varies, but for me, invariably, whenever I pass through 'zoo' is an appropriate description.

The last time I arrived internationally the non-citizens were being passed through the immigration checkpoint at a quicker rate than US citizens, which sort of had me stymied. And then of course you hit the nightmare which is baggage claim/customs.

Oh well. Best of luck to MIA in 2006. But put some of that money where it really needs to go. Because who knows, maybe if MIA improved the immigration/customs/security checkpoint experience, more people would be willing to use the airport and not look for other options.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32703 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting Tismfu (Reply 16):
I would love for MIA to spend some of this money to improve what can be horrendous wait times at security checkpoints and customs/immigration. I know it varies, but for me, invariably, whenever I pass through 'zoo' is an appropriate description.

This has nothing to do with MIA. This has to do with the federal government who assigns and employs these workers. MIA can ask or more workers at security checkpoints and immigration, but the government who assigns them.



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User currently offlineTismfu From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
This has nothing to do with MIA. This has to do with the federal government who assigns and employs these workers. MIA can ask or more workers at security checkpoints and immigration, but the government who assigns them.

Certainly that is true, but I don't know why it is I find the same 'culture' wherever I am in MIA. From ticket counters to gates, it can be a mess. I do not mean to deride the airport, but I truly feel that there is something different about it aside from TSA staffing and I would be thrilled if that could be addressed. If the TSA can make the security/customs/immigration experience better elsewhere, why not MIA?

I know I'm not the only one who feels that there is something different about MIA, but perhaps there is nothing the airport can do to change this 'difference', as esoteric as that sounds.


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Happy new year everyone! My first post in a while Big grin

I wonder what would've become of MIA if it wasn't dominated by a single carrier (in this case AA)

In the pre AA days MIA had a whole bunch of carriers. You could argue that the circumstances would still be different today but I dunno.. Could it be that the greedyness of AA and the airport's willingness to let it monopolize it has finally caught up with MIA after all these years?


User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1368 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
A huge bulk of MIA's flights leave through Concourse A, D, E, and H.

I passed thru MIA on Sunday on my way back to LHR and got my first taste of the new "D" and it was absolutely fantastic. Lots of glass, very airy with the concourse being extremely wide and large seating areas at the gates. It looks as if it is currently international arrival ready, in regards to customs/immigration. Question is, when will they start shifting some of the international widebodies over to "D" and get them out of the very small and cramped lower "E"??

When AA is finally moved completely into the North Terminal, a renovated lower "E" would be the perfect concourse for a jetBlue operation, with 6-8 gates available. However, it looks as if the "E" satellite needs to see a wrecking ball, and very soon....


User currently offlineSLVRBLT From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 133 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Quite obviously, if MIA sees more traffic, they will see more TSA agents as the traffic increases. That won't be a huge issue

Well MAH, I hope you're right. But we give the TSA our traffic forecasts in advance for manning purposes at the checkpoints. Doesn't seem to do much good at times, D was a bottleneck over the holidays and even C, your favorite, became no reliever as it backed up too.



..everything works out in the end.
User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9328 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):
Could it be that the greedyness of AA and the airport's willingness to let it monopolize it has finally caught up with MIA after all these years?

If it weren't for the commitment of AA, you wouldn't be seeing the nice new $800 million expansion project going on down there.

Quoting SLVRBLT (Reply 21):
Doesn't seem to do much good at times, D was a bottleneck over the holidays and even C, your favorite, became no reliever as it backed up too.

I've only been through Miami three times (I do like the airport, btw), but must say an even bigger problem than security is the "multiple-confusing-not-quite-really-well-marked" check in counters for American Airlines.

the first time coming to the airport, I remember trying to find the baggage claim was a pain as well. just a few more signs as part of the overhaul would be great!



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User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

MIA still SUCKS BIG TIME!!! Have you tried to get in or out of the airport between 3 and 7 or 8PM???????????? It is a nightmare! There are some fly-overs under construction leading to highways that will be miserably backed up too! Whatever happened to the Intermodal Center? That lot is still vacant, flat...even grass and weeds are growing! What an obvious money laundering scheme. MIA still needs decent stores, restaurants and facilities. The airport is extremely outdated. There is no relief for passengers who have to walk miles between one terminal to the next. Forget about the waiting time in US Immigration. The place needs to be bull-dozed and moved somewhere else much like what happened in DEN a while back. What will happen 20yrs from now? The same obsolete, growth constrained airport full of cracks and falling apart will be around while Florida taxpayers pay for the CORRUPTION! MIA SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineSLVRBLT From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 133 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 22):



Quoting Stlgph (Reply 22):
I've only been through Miami three times (I do like the airport, btw), but must say an even bigger problem than security is the "multiple-confusing-not-quite-really-well-marked" check in counters for American Airlines.

the first time coming to the airport, I remember trying to find the baggage claim was a pain as well. just a few more signs as part of the overhaul would be great!

Have to agree with you there. But I don't think there will be new signs on the counters soon. The new signs MDAD wants for all the airlines counters are the yellow neon ones you see down on the A concourse counters. Our Haiti checkin on A does have them.



..everything works out in the end.
25 N62NA : Under construction (really!) I live in Miami Beach and go by it a few times a month. Ummm, sounds like FLL to me (though I wouldn't say it's obsolete
26 Post contains images BigGSFO : IMO, MIA is the best place to people watch. Grab a Starbucks or a La Carreta and sit back and when all you see are silver birds outside, look inside a
27 MAH4546 : Some Caribbean and Central America flights are already departing from Concourse D. Most of the widebody international flights will be shifted to Conc
28 MGA : Thats odd. I also checked and I am getting a 259 price on the MIA-LAX o/w. B6 maintains a steady 99 each way plus tax while AA only does 280-290 r/t
29 BHMNONREV : I was wondering the same thing about the moving sidewalks, it looked like the concourse was wide enough to accommodate them. Mark, in reference to yo
30 123 : If I had an airline flying to MIA, I would request the fee to be waived if a new airline enters into competition with mine, or I would consider dropp
31 MAH4546 : You are thinking a little to harshly. Many, many airports do this. It is the way business works, and airlines learn to live with it. The same way tha
32 AJMIA : BAG FLOW -- They picked these countries because the number bags and timing flow of checkin best matched the available baggage system capacity. AJMIA
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