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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16228 times:
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Fellow a.netters,

Not sure if these pics have been posted before, but I thought I would post them regardless. These are courtesy of an aviation analyst. Both he and I agree that the only reason why the woman would be smiling in the second photo is because she is a personal injury lawyer. There is no reason for smiling - this is serious.Southwest Airlines Fatal Mishap, KMDW, 08 DEC 05. One might ask why the woman in the second photo below is smiling, but we know why.

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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16203 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
There is no reason for smiling - this is serious.Southwest Airlines Fatal Mishap, KMDW, 08 DEC 05. One might ask why the woman in the second photo below is smiling, but we know why.

I would rather ask who she is and why she is allowed to be near the aircraft when an investigation is going on


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2191 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16159 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
Both he and I agree that the only reason why the woman would be smiling in the second photo is because she is a personal injury lawyer

My #1 pet peeve is when people assume something when they don't know the facts. It's possible that she was one of the passengers of the plane, and is 'smiling' because she survived.


User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16146 times:

Good question APF, Looks like Mr and Mrs idiot snapping pictures for the parents from a place they shouldn't under any circumstance be. I for one hope they never decide to breed.

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4313 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16140 times:

She is staff or something, otherwise she wouldn't be allowed close to the wreckage.
I think it's a bit insensitive of her to smile for this picture, but it might be a cultural thing. I know for instance many Indonesians ALWAYS smile for picture or camera, even if they'd be on a funeral.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16139 times:

I suggest removing the photos of the two stnading infront of the a/c, if their with WN, or anyone related to the crash, you may well have just cost them thier jobs. And if shes a lawyer, she just lost her case, and im sure has hell her "clients" would love to see her stand there smiling think dollar signs as they greive.


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User currently offlineBAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16132 times:

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 2):
My #1 pet peeve is when people assume something when they don't know the facts. It's possible that she was one of the passengers of the plane, and is 'smiling' because she survived.

Whether this is the case or not, it's not really appropriate to smiling beside the wreckage. How many workers from the WTC have had their pics taken next to Ground Zero with a beaming smile?

It's quite different from going to Disneyworld and getting a 'I survived Thunder Mountain' t-shirt.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16856 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 16059 times:

Those pictures are infuriating, I don't care if they are smiling because they are Survivors, Tourists or Lawyers. A child died in that car , show some respect.

Somebody should contact the local media and have them investigate!..



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User currently offlineBA767s From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15957 times:

C'mon guys!,

I know it's a sad topic but why are people making a mountain out of a mole hill! Do you really think she would be allowed to have her photo taken on the scene if she didnt have any authority? As for her smiling, why do you bother being soo angry about it? It's not worth the effort. Im sure there are much more important things to worry about in life. Take a time out!

Just my 2 cents,

- John


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 15876 times:

Quoting BA767s (Reply 8):
there are much more important things to worry about in life.

- true, but it doesn't mean those "less important" things shouldn't be worried about. She might have smiled almost non-intentionally to the "camera man" at the very moment he made the shot; looks totally inappropriate anyway. Just look at the crashed car behind her...

[Edited 2006-01-03 02:58:06]

User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15814 times:

Some of these similiar images were posted in the other thread and was removed by the thread starter who posted them.

[Edited 2006-01-03 02:50:19]


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User currently offlineMiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15790 times:

After seeing those images, I hope Southwest is required to pay A LOT to the family of that 6 year old boy. Just awful.......  frown 

User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15779 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Thread starter):
Both he and I agree that the only reason why the woman would be smiling in the second photo is because she is a personal injury lawyer.

Are you saying that you know for a fact that she's a personal injury lawyer, or that the only reason you can surmise that she might be smiling is that she's a personal injury lawyer? Your words are ambiguous.

Either way, I agree with the poster above who said it may be a cultural thing; some people almost instinctually smile every time they're having their picture taken. There are more serious transgressions in the world to worry about.



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15763 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 11):
After seeing those images, I hope Southwest is required to pay A LOT to the family of that 6 year old boy. Just awful.......

It really is terrifying, isn't it? I suppose it's a blessing there were any survivors at all, but jesus. Still, we should reserve judgment as to who should pay until the investigate is finished.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 15721 times:
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Quoting N844AA (Reply 12):
Are you saying that you know for a fact that she's a personal injury lawyer, or that the only reason you can surmise that she might be smiling is that she's a personal injury lawyer? Your words are ambiguous.

Apparently, the photographer who is an FO for AA validated the info from her. She is a Chicago area attorney officed in Wakegan, IL who specialises in personal injury, and small claims. I'll take his word for it.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7536 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15579 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 11):
After seeing those images, I hope Southwest is required to pay A LOT to the family of that 6 year old boy. Just awful....... frown

They shouldn't have to pay a penny to that family, it was odd chance he was there and nothing could have stopped it, its not like getting hit by a taxi, this was more rare chance. The passengers on the plane on the other hand.



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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15569 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 15):
They shouldn't have to pay a penny to that family, it was odd chance he was there and nothing could have stopped it, its not like getting hit by a taxi, this was more rare chance. The passengers on the plane on the other hand.

If they are found negligent by landing then yes, they should pay.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15560 times:
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Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 11):
After seeing those images, I hope Southwest is required to pay A LOT to the family of that 6 year old boy.



Yeah, what a brilliant idea....since, you know, doing so will bring their boy back and prevent future accidents.  sarcastic 

Give me a break, MiCorazonAzul.




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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15503 times:

I emailed them to the tribunes aviation reporter....

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5935 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15489 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 1):
I would rather ask who she is and why she is allowed to be near the aircraft when an investigation is going on

Shes a Chicago Police Officer you can see the star on her vest and on the guys in the next photo....shes probably working the investigation...



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User currently offlineCTHEWORLD From Mayotte, joined Dec 2004, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 15431 times:

Yee Haw...looks like that WN Cowboy was trying to hitch his horse that post! Unfortunate and poor child that had to die because of it, tragic for the family too. Nice that the Chicago police are so sensitive about the loss of human life too, maybe that is why their city is the murder capitol of the U.S.

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15413 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 19):
Shes a Chicago Police Officer you can see the star on her vest and on the guys in the next photo....shes probably working the investigation...

Crime scene investigator FTW.

Bomber jacket is a dead giveaway. Department issue. And check the Tac radio in the front right breast pocket.

Want inappropriate humor? Listen to the police at a crimescene... when they think the public isn't in ear shot.


User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15389 times:

Quoting MiCorazonAzul (Reply 11):
After seeing those images, I hope Southwest is required to pay A LOT to the family of that 6 year old boy. Just awful.......

And another IDIOT chimes in. What the F^&( makes you think that WN has anything to do with these other two idiots posing with the wreckage? Believe me, SOMEHOW, these two stumbled into the area and managed to snap these shots, there's NO NTSB person, cop, or Airline personnel that would do that.


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15374 times:

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 22):
And another IDIOT chimes in. What the F^&( makes you think that WN has anything to do with these other two idiots posing with the wreckage? Believe me, SOMEHOW, these two stumbled into the area and managed to snap these shots, there's NO NTSB person, cop, or Airline personnel that would do that.

I believe that first off Blue was talking about the crushed car and not the people, and what a horrible way that would be to die. Second off it would seem that you are wrong as all evidence points to that broad being a LEO of some sort.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15348 times:
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Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 23):
I believe that first off Blue was talking about the crushed car and not the people, and what a horrible way that would be to die.



...Don't forget the advocacy of senseless litigation and jumping to conclusions.  sarcastic 




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25 APFPilot1985 : As I've said a few times now, if the overrun happened as a result of the negligence of WN then it is not senseless, maybe you are jumping to conclusi
26 N844AA : Actually, I think Camden, N.J. has the worst murder rate in the country -- I remember seeing an article about it a few weeks ago. As far as big citie
27 2H4 : I haven't suggested a probable cause/conclusion, let alone jumped to one. I simply have a problem with people making assumptions before the facts are
28 FlyMIA : They will pay some money no matter what the case is. Airlines dont like going to court about crashes and most of the time the airline settles with th
29 CTHEWORLD : Your might be right, come think of, it think they were quoting gang related murders, Chicago was the highest. But WAY off topic, sorry for the digres
30 N844AA : Why would it be stupid to think B? Quite the opposite, I'd think. If an entity is being negligent (and I'm not saying Southwest has been here), the w
31 Post contains images APFPilot1985 : Other info: Former Southwest flight ops intern, and you are looking at this objectively right?
32 Post contains images Piercey : Maybe I should comment about all those cars the police in Paris let burn and the wooooooonderful job they did! As my hometown is Chicago and I hope t
33 Tbird : Why are some of you making such a big deal about these pictures. The women is smiling, who cares, generally when you point a camera at someone its jus
34 APFPilot1985 : I'm sorry that you don't find that repulsive, I do. The blood isn't even dry on the car that is feet away from that woman and she is smiling like she
35 Qantas744ER : Well to me she looks like some staff because of course no pedestrian would be allowed so close to the wreckage, not even if the person had survived t
36 2H4 : You don't think the possibility of killing hundreds of people, having footage of your crashed airplane plastered across every tv screen and newspaper
37 Tornado82 : Once again... if I had "by odd chance" slid off the road that next morning and hit an old lady waiting on the corner for a Lanta bus, I'd be tried fo
38 APFPilot1985 : except that this may very well not be runaway litigation. If WN is found to be negligent then they should be sued, that is what the civil court syste
39 777ER : Why should SW pay money to the family? an accident is an accident. Here is a question, if someone accidently crashes into your car would you sue them
40 Type-Rated : BAxMAN: Even worse, I had some aquaintences here in the U.S. from Germany and right after 9/11 they rushed to New York and sure enough, in their photo
41 APFPilot1985 : If they were negligent yes.....
42 CTHEWORLD : Here in the U.S., if negligence was involved, yes, one would sue, either the insurance company that covered the person (company) or them personally,
43 2H4 : You're right....it might not be runaway litigation. It might be perfectly legitimate. The definition of runaway litigation varies, though, and I'm of
44 APFPilot1985 : Just a fence around one of the approach lights
45 SLUAviator : Are you serious? Where did you get that crap from? What a joke! If those cops are not there as part of the investigation they may be part of the team
46 APFPilot1985 : Well you know what they say about opinions... and frankly i think it is pretty heartless of you to call someone who lost a child greedy
47 2H4 : I think it's pretty heartless for anyone to think acquiring any sum of money will somehow ease the pain of losing a child. 2H4
48 APFPilot1985 : Thats not what it is about though, it is about making the company pay..... it doesn't ease the pain trust me I know....
49 2H4 : Making the company pay doesn't give them any more incentive to prevent crashes. They've already got that. Making the company pay simply increases ins
50 Antoniemey : There are also many people, like myself, who pretty much smile 90% of the time. It is impossible to say why or why not a given person would be smilin
51 Hmmmm... : I think SW should pay. The pilot failed to conduct a safe landing. Just like that AF pilot in Toronto. It happens. When errors are made, people pay. I
52 777STL : It is rather disturbing how they seem to think it's cool to be standing next to a destroyed airliner that was involved in a fatal incident. I don't ca
53 Hmmmm... : Companies are punished when they have to pay out money. It hurts the stock price and it hurts their bottom line. And if WN raises their fares to pay f
54 N200WN : If there was negligence involved, then yes.
55 2H4 : in·tent (ĭn-tĕnt') n. Something that is intended; an aim or purpose. Law. The state of one's mind at the time one carries out an action. M
56 Hmmmm... : As I said, deterence is not the aim of this settlement. SW needs to pay to compensate the victims and to pay a penalty for making an error. Intent onl
57 SWAOPSusafATC : I think of greed when PAX on the plane that are uninjured and didn't even know that something was wrong until they felt a jolt when the went through t
58 777STL : Nothing that isn't recoverable. For WN it's going to be a drop in the bucket. So the stock price takes a small hit if any at all, one month later it'
59 HAWK21M : Has the Investigation been completed to permit Personal photography of the scene.Out here it would not be permitted as the Area would have been sealed
60 JumboJim747 : Absolutely
61 We're Nuts : You don't think Southwest is "paying" already?
62 CO7e7 : This is the first time I see the picture with the car underneath the aircraft.. Boy it's a miracle the rest of the family walked out. My prayers to th
63 DTW757 : I absolutely agree, the pictures posing with the wreck are horrible. Why would anyone need a picture of themselves posing at a crash site whether one
64 Darrenthe747 : MiCorazonAzul stop being so damn melodramatic. and apparently that's not a WN emplyee, so why does it now make you feel that WN needs to be sued so mu
65 N844AA : It sounds like you're advocating some kind of liability regime, either from which airlines or exempt or where some level of negative publicity negate
66 Notbluejet : The whole paying thing is a joke to me. Yes they people who lost their son deserve compensation but the only real compensation is to get him back. Ton
67 2H4 : Again, the potential repercussions that result from making a mistake are already severe enough that flight crews are overwhelmingly deterred from mak
68 Devil505x : Well Said Since when?
69 Post contains images PROSA : I rather doubt this blonde woman is Indonesian
70 N844AA : Very thought provoking point. I confess that I don't have a response for you except my gut sense that when it comes to air transport, or open heart s
71 Theredbaron : 1) Kill both pilots. 2) Kill the darn woman in the photo with 2 shots in the gut ( horrible death in 20 minutes) 3) Close the aiport for good. 4) Take
72 2H4 : Certainly, different minds work in different ways, but the human factors research I've done has suggested that focusing on avoiding a bad outcome ten
73 BSU747 : Might it just be that the woman is "smiling" because she is looking at the camera in the direction of the SUN and is merely "squinting" whereby she lo
74 MerlinIIIB : Terrible thread. Why all this "money talk"? Let the justice system work, it is a matter between SW and the families involved.
75 David T : I am going to take a stab on these 2 people: The gentleman is wearing a vest which under normal circumstances appears to be way to small for him... Pe
76 Darrenthe747 : i still believe that a lawsuit brought against the airline should be a fine imposed by the government, and kept by the government; even a very hefty o
77 PillowTester : I might have smiled too... being a police investigator in Chicago a big plane sitting on the road like that might be giving all of those people some l
78 N844AA : Monetary value is placed on human life every single day -- it's not at all a rare event. It happens in the legal system, it happens when you buy life
79 Post contains links and images Espion007 :
80 777STL : Yeah I'm sure however many millions of dollars the family recieves will comfort them for their loss. This is exactly why I think punitive damages are
81 Mika : Who the heck comes up with that idea anyways..."I know, you guys pose in front of the wreckage and we'll take some shots!" I don't get it. That's supp
82 FRAspotter : It also used to be Gary, Indiana which is right next to Chicago...
83 Post contains links OPNLguy : I can't believe there are 80+ posts on this... The answer is at: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=3751782
84 Darrenthe747 : well if that story is true then it's quite appaling. a do believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt first though, so we'll have to wait and se
85 Post contains images MrMcCoy : That was redeeming. I wonder how well breath spray might sell here for "foot-in-the-mouth-itis"?
86 David T : Well, I guess I was correct about the vests... They appear to be cops.
87 Post contains images OPNLguy : You could sell it by the case here...
88 Georgetown : Well said. That is basically how they explain it to you in law school. The rather unfortunate reality is that there are plenty of institutions, compa
89 BoeingPride800 : It may not have been a smile on the woman in the firts pic. She may have just been squinting her eyes which sometimes does make your mouth turn a litt
90 777STL : She has sun glasses on, that's a shit-eating grin if I've ever seen one.
91 Jetjack74 : The guy that emailed it to me is a furloughed FO with AA who lives in the Chicago area. He is working as a freelance analyst for a company in Chicago
92 KJFK31L : Though we can not definitively understand the motives of these two people, what we do know is that this crash was fatal. Per these circumstances, no s
93 D L X : No no no! That's not why we have punitive damages. In fact, i think it's HIGHLY unlikely that there will be punitive damages awarded and upheld in th
94 APFPilot1985 : This is the day after it happened. I can understand cops joking around and such at an accident site, it is a way to alleviate the stress and distance
95 N844AA : I couldn't agree more with the rest of your post, but I want to defend what I said. First, it's my fault for using imprecise terminology -- I used ac
96 D L X : Right. The thing is, to get punitive damages, the behavior needs to be almost criminal. Punitive damages punish. That's why they're called punitive. S
97 D L X : Accident investigators do this all the time. It's like working in a morgue - there's a dead person, but you just don't have time to be sad for the pe
98 777STL : I think you're blowing what I and some other people have said, out of proportion. It's my personal opinion that smiling in front of a totalled airlin
99 Post contains images KJFK31L : Agreed! Does not matter who is at fault... money does not replace life! Does anyone think the official burying his head in the wheel well next to the
100 D L X : First, let me say that my post was not aimed squarely at you, but at the host of people (with the range of responses) that shun the smiling picture a
101 Sebolino : It was not in Paris, but in some cities in the suburbs. And I fail to see the relation.
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