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Jet Blue, Good Or Bad For The Larger Carriers?  
User currently offlineWorldliner From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 275 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

i was scanning some old magazines and i came across this interesting article. it said that jet blue were the biggest operator out of jfk for 04 and 05. is this a great achievement? or does is show a demise of american carriers? i no that jet blue is mainly based there but i thought american, united and delta could beat them. certainly delta with song combined? wat do you think?


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4464 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Quoting Worldliner (Thread starter):
certainly delta with song combined? wat do you think?

Well, Song has a few more months left, they are history. But as you can see, they couldn't compete with the blue. I just flew song last week and I love them, seriously the best service you get on economy. Where do they find those FA's?


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Where do they find those FA's?

DL mainline, and a lot of the time they have the senior FA's or newer ones that go straight to Song.

But B6 has hurt other carriers in many markets and may be part of the reason some of the bigger carriers went into Ch11 since they made all the fares lower on NY-Florida which was the legacy's old true money maker. So I say they are bad for the larger carriers.

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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

JetBlue is horrible. It is like they want to put all the carriers out of business as well as many people on the streets. I just cannot stand how they can attack the legacies. They are one of the main reasons some of us are in Chapt. 11.


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 4987 times:
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Quoting TK787 (Reply 1):
Where do they find those FA's?

Just please make them stop saying, "jetWho?" jetBlue is much metter inflight with IFE they need to learn to bite the big one on this.

UA has shrunk to almost no presence at JFK.

AA's expansion has been rather slow since jetBlue, I think it even contracted some as PHX-JFK was dropped.

DL is mostly international at JFK and Song is nowhere near the size of jetBlue at JFK or anywhere.

Living in NY from 2000 to 2005, it is not surprising that jetBlue is the largest carrier at JFK. No other airline had domestic operations based there in any real sense and it is America's massive domestic market that makes us the largest flying public going. Mix that with NYC population and it is perfect sense. Remember, the only option previously if you wanted to fly direct was CO out of EWR before the airtrain, which sucked.



Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
They are one of the main reasons some of us are in Chapt. 11.

"Some of us"? You're only 15 or less. Come on, blaming others for what happened to DL [not to you] is so easy. Grow up.


User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
posted Tue Jan 3 2006 21:59:13 UTC+1 and read 57 times:

JetBlue is horrible. It is like they want to put all the carriers out of business as well as many people on the streets. I just cannot stand how they can attack the legacies. They are one of the main reasons some of us are in Chapt. 11.

Because B6 offers a good product at cheap prices its their fault that poorly run Airlines are under bancrupcy. Im sorry but when Delta can get their act together and figure out whats causing them to loose money on routes where B6(or other managed airlines) can make money, then they can comaplin that B6 wants them out of buisness. Until now they have been doing that to themselves



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User currently offlineRamprat980 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 600 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

I feel that B6 would hurt amtrak more than the legacy carriers


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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 5):
"Some of us"? You're only 15 or less. Come on, blaming others for what happened to DL [not to you] is so easy. Grow up.

Uhh, what I said was true. JetBlue took a handful of DL customers and kept them.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 8):
JetBlue took a handful of DL customers and kept them.

Did B6 forced them or not?
How many customers?
Enough customers to take DL to chapter 11?


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4289 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
JetBlue is horrible. It is like they want to put all the carriers out of business as well as many people on the streets. I just cannot stand how they can attack the legacies. They are one of the main reasons some of us are in Chapt. 11.

Sounds like somebody had the day off from grade school today....

Fortunately replying to such ignorant bull is too easy. Your statement speaks volumes about yourself.



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
JetBlue is horrible.

How many times did you fly B6?


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1705 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 4903 times:
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Quoting Evan767 (Reply 8):
Uhh, what I said was true. JetBlue took a handful of DL customers and kept them.

Against their will? Seriously, if DL wanted to, they could win them back. DL cannot compete with what jetBlue is able to offer in IFE and leather seats. If IFE and leather seats are not important to you then you can fly DL.

jetBlue, nor DL, forces anyone to fly them.



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User currently offlineEridanMan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

All I can say is I live in Cali(OAK), and Fly regularly to East Coast (JFK/IAD) and Chicago (ORD),

Whenever I fly cross country, I fly B9, as I have done now for going on 4 years (started on the JFK/ROC leg right after they started up)- and I can say, not once in 4 years of flying has B9 left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Of course all the flights haven't been perfect, but when things went wrong (even at my obvious fault, like blatantly missing a flight) they have been extrodinarily pleasant and easy to make other arrangements with.

My flights to Chicago are ALWAYS a different story... Just a week ago I spent a night in LAS thanks to HP's incompitence... DL made my life miserable on a flight down to Miami last year (lost baggage, maintenence problems in Atlanta, etc). AA infuriated me a year and a half ago when they forced me pay 300 dollars to "UPGRADE" my round-trip OAK->ORD flight to a one-way ORD->OAK return flight so that I could make the trip OAK->IAD->ORD->OAK to see my dying grandfather one last time (The ticket agents there were especially insulting, telling me 'well sir, I'm sorry you don't understand how the airline industry works' when I was exhasperated that half the service would cost me 70% more... upon concluding my conversation, I couldn't help but quip ("I'm sorry, My bad- I'm just too used to dealing with decent airlines, I'll make sure I never bother with you cr@p in the future, have a nice day")... It has come to the point where if I ever find myself flying to a location that B9 doesn't support, I automatically expect to have an anyerism-inducing experience (with the only exception of SW, who are quickly becoming my backup carrier of choice)...

So is B9 giving the legacy carriers hell? I sure hope so... These companies are broken- they gave up on any sembelence of customer service years ago, and consumers had no choice but to bend over because there simply weren't any alternatives... now there are, and the legacies either have to shape up or fold-up...

And so far they seem to be pretty bad at doing the former- and these Chap11 announcements are certainly not causing me any tears...

-*frustrated flier*


User currently offlineBigdrewfl From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4869 times:

Quoting EridanMan (Reply 13):
All I can say is I live in Cali(OAK), and Fly regularly to East Coast (JFK/IAD) and Chicago (ORD),

Whenever I fly cross country, I fly B9, as I have done now for going on 4 years (started on the JFK/ROC leg right after they started up)- and I can say, not once in 4 years of flying has B9 left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Of course all the flights haven't been perfect, but when things went wrong (even at my obvious fault, like blatantly missing a flight) they have been extrodinarily pleasant and easy to make other arrangements with.

My flights to Chicago are ALWAYS a different story... Just a week ago I spent a night in LAS thanks to HP's incompitence... DL made my life miserable on a flight down to Miami last year (lost baggage, maintenence problems in Atlanta, etc). AA infuriated me a year and a half ago when they forced me pay 300 dollars to "UPGRADE" my round-trip OAK->ORD flight to a one-way ORD->OAK return flight so that I could make the trip OAK->IAD->ORD->OAK to see my dying grandfather one last time (The ticket agents there were especially insulting, telling me 'well sir, I'm sorry you don't understand how the airline industry works' when I was exhasperated that half the service would cost me 70% more... upon concluding my conversation, I couldn't help but quip ("I'm sorry, My bad- I'm just too used to dealing with decent airlines, I'll make sure I never bother with you cr@p in the future, have a nice day")... It has come to the point where if I ever find myself flying to a location that B9 doesn't support, I automatically expect to have an anyerism-inducing experience (with the only exception of SW, who are quickly becoming my backup carrier of choice)...

So is B9 giving the legacy carriers hell? I sure hope so... These companies are broken- they gave up on any sembelence of customer service years ago, and consumers had no choice but to bend over because there simply weren't any alternatives... now there are, and the legacies either have to shape up or fold-up...

And so far they seem to be pretty bad at doing the former- and these Chap11 announcements are certainly not causing me any tears...

By saying B9 you do mean B6 right?

[Edited 2006-01-04 01:46:16]

User currently offlineEridanMan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Quote:

By say B9 you do mean B6 right?

Yes,

Brain fart, mea-culpa, all those good things Wink


User currently offlineBigdrewfl From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 3):
JetBlue is horrible

You are entitled to your own opinions, but dont blame Jetblue for the way your airline is doing, blame yourself....you treat your people nice and your people will come right back to you.


User currently offlineEridanMan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4833 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 9):
Uhh, what I said was true. JetBlue took a handful of DL customers and kept them.

Trollfood, I know, but-

jetBlue didn't 'take' anyone - DL's customers were smart enough to realize they didn't have to put up with DL garbage and switched, willingly, to an airline that does a better job for less cost.

Capitalism at its best... but you'll learn about that in AP Macro-Econ in a few years Wink


User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

Quoting EridanMan (Reply 13):
AA infuriated me a year and a half ago when they forced me pay 300 dollars to "UPGRADE" my round-trip OAK->ORD flight to a one-way ORD->OAK return flight so that I could make the trip OAK->IAD->ORD->OAK to see my dying grandfather one last time (The ticket agents there were especially insulting, telling me 'well sir, I'm sorry you don't understand how the airline industry works' when I was exhasperated that half the service would cost me 70% more... upon concluding my conversation, I couldn't help but quip ("I'm sorry, My bad- I'm just too used to dealing with decent airlines, I'll make sure I never bother with you cr@p in the future, have a nice day")

As an interesting side note, Bob Crandall vehemently disagreed with the very premise of bereavement fares. So he definitely would have sided with the agent on that one.

Still, arguably the agent was correct, at least with respect to the legacy carriers. Their revenue is based on the idea that travelers will pay relatively higher prices for last-minute travel, or relatively lower prices for tickets with restricts (hence the $300 fee.) I've had to pay $200 in change fees in the past week, due to family medical emergencies, but I don't mind so much because I'm still coming in well below the $1200 walkup fare. It's the nature of the beast, or at least the beasts I fly.

All the same, I'm sorry for your loss, and I hope you were able to see your grandfather.



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4824 times:

Quoting EridanMan (Reply 13):
Whenever I fly cross country, I fly B9, as I have done now for going on 4 years

What country are you flying across? From my calculations, the airline code for B9 is Iran Air Tours. If that is who you are referring to, wrong thread.



This is an example of someone who consistently tries to blame problems on everyone but himself or due to just plain bad luck.

Quoting EridanMan (Reply 13):
DL made my life miserable on a flight down to Miami last year (lost baggage, maintenence problems in Atlanta, etc).

Lost baggage on maintenance problems is just bad luck. People are human and do make mistakes. Apparently the bag runner just dropped the ball or was misinformed and didn't get your bag to the flight in time. As far as maintenance problems, Delta has enough to worry about than facing a jury and paying out millions to families for killing a couple hundred of them. Fixing the problem would be the best bet. AA infuriated you because you wanted to change a ticket at the last minute? Well gee whiz, why would they do that? You bought a ticket, you wanted to add a couple legs onto it, are you suggesting they should have let you go for free? Sorry, even B6 or B9 for that matter will still charge you a walkup upgrade fee. As far as HP, I don't know anything about them, as they are on the short list of airlines that I haven't flown yet; I keep meaning to, but the chance always escapes me.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineKJFK31L From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

I personally don't mind jetBlue's growing presence at JFK and especially welcome its expansion into its own terminal.

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 4):
UA has shrunk to almost no presence at JFK.

Agreed-- still sharing Terminal 7 with BA.

Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 4):
DL is mostly international at JFK and Song is nowhere near the size of jetBlue at JFK

jetBlue still has sometime before it catches up to Delta in quantity. While almost every other aircraft on Canarsie Climb is a jetblue A320, have you ever walked through Delta-Song Terminal 2-3... Quite a few departures, some domestic.

 crowded   crowded 

Matt



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User currently offlineEridanMan From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 19):
What country are you flying across? From my calculations, the airline code for B9 is Iran Air Tours. If that is who you are referring to, wrong thread.

If you read, I corrected myself moments later, quick brain lapse (I meant B6).

Quoting OttoPylit (Reply 19):
AA infuriated you because you wanted to change a ticket at the last minute? Well gee whiz, why would they do that? You bought a ticket, you wanted to add a couple legs onto it, are you suggesting they should have let you go for free? Sorry, even B6 or B9 for that matter will still charge you a walkup upgrade fee.

Perhaps I should have clarified, I bought my tickets over 2 months in advance, then a month later (still over a month from the travel date) I called and asked if I could just fly the return leg- it was then that I was informed that changing the two tickets would be an additional ~160 per ticket (320 total)...

Excuse me for applying to rules to common sense to travel, but they were already planning on flying me on the return trip (ORD->SFO)... but asking me to pay 320 bucks extra to do what they were going to do anyways was ludicrous, its not like I was asking for a refund of the SFO->ORD leg or anything (Which, frankly, would have been right- seeing as I was using half the service I initially paid for), but to charge me ADDITIONAL for LESS SERVICE...

Sure, ok, this is the 'standard' among legacy carriers...

But that is why I'm a loyal B6 customer, and why I shed no tears at the Chapter 11 announcements...

And, for what its worth- That exact same trip, a week or so before we were due to fly, my fiancee and I both managed to get a few extra days off from work so I called up jetBlue and asked what it would cost to move my departure date forward two days...

They did so, Gratis.

That is good customer service- and I reward them with ~2k/yr in business for it. Simple as that...

I know 2k/yr is a drop in the bucket- but you know what? B6 is profitable, the legacies are in Chapter 11...

Karma at work.


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Quoting EridanMan (Reply 21):
Excuse me for applying to rules to common sense to travel, but they were already planning on flying me on the return trip (ORD->SFO)... but asking me to pay 320 bucks extra to do what they were going to do anyways was ludicrous, its not like I was asking for a refund of the SFO->ORD leg or anything (Which, frankly, would have been right- seeing as I was using half the service I initially paid for), but to charge me ADDITIONAL for LESS SERVICE...

You should really pay attention to some of the Airline Economics 101 classes that are held on here. They weren't charging you for how far you were flying, or by how much. If I read correctly, you added additional legs to your flight to additional markets. In the effort to turn a buck, airlines price markets at different prices. It may be cheaper to fly LAX-JFK than MIA-CLT because of the market. And because of this, you were charged the additional cost of that market added, even if you were flying less segments. Everyone does it, even Jetblue. And the fare you paid also plays into the rules. From what I'm hearing, you had a deep discounted fare that held lots of restrictions and some of those restrictions are fees. Whereas on your Jetblue flight, you may have had a higher fare paid and therefore did not have such restrictions on the fare.


So you can give your service to whoever, but both B6 and AA are just doing what they do and what all airlines do, simple as that. Your lack of full knowledge on the subject has you jumping to conclusions, FYI.




OttoPylit


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 4705 times:

Quoting EridanMan (Reply 17):
Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 9):
Uhh, what I said was true. JetBlue took a handful of DL customers and kept them.

Just to clarify that I never ever said that. Those ARE NOT my words.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 4696 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 8):

Uhh, what I said was true. JetBlue took a handful of DL customers and kept them.

Yeah, it's a little system called capitalism.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
25 EridanMan : Indeed I am afraid you did not - I was SIMPLY trying to cancel the outbound leg of a round trip while retaining the return trip... 1/2 the service. I
26 EridanMan : Please forgive me, I had not realized that the quote functionality was pulling the ID of the post immediately below - I'm still learning the forum. I
27 Markabcan : What you are referring to is good business and a competitive market! You are correct, without any competition the legacies would be in great shape bu
28 Gigneil : Lets put it how it is: jetBlue, like Southwest, operates a fleet of aircraft on a limited route network to only very major domestic and nearby intern
29 Post contains images OttoPylit : Welcome to the airline industry! Who, me? Honestly though, you really should look into it and learn more about what your complaining of and you will
30 Post contains images EridanMan : You say Everyone has the same rules... But in my experience, that simply isn't the case. B6 treats each leg of a trip like a commodity, pure and simp
31 Post contains images OttoPylit : Whoa, I haven't been winked that many times since I walked into that bar in San Francisco that one time, but how was I supposed to know that a bunch o
32 TACAA320 : No problem. Was just, as I said, a clarification.
33 KJFK31L : In number of aircraft present per unit time, I think not. Matt
34 Post contains images MiCorazonAzul : Flint MI????? Sorry to inform you but a so called "legacy carrier" flies there. And I suppose you forgot all about Puerto Rico (3 different cities),
35 Bobnwa : Please clarify what that means. I am not being funny here, I really don't understand.
36 KJFK31L : No problem! I may have been a bit unclear in my comment. I was indicating that on a per day basis, there are as many Delta Airlines aircraft (includi
37 Bobnwa : Thanks Matt, now I understand and I also agree with you.
38 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : Yea but so far B6's 80 something planes mostly all pass through there within like 2 days of each other and whenever I look out my window all I see is
39 KJFK31L : Not sure I agree completely with your over-simplification. Check out jfktower.com and look at the airport traffic reports from the pre-jetBlue era an
40 MAH4546 : Roundtrips costs more than one-ways on the majors usually. All you had to do to save the $300 was not show up for the OAK-ORD leg. Your ORD-OAK leg w
41 EridanMan : This was my initial thought, however, I was told by a former AA ticketcounter agent (friend of mine) and then later by the agent I spoke to at the ph
42 Post contains links Airzim : Wrong. Only on flights over 1500 miles. Again having an airline within an airline by having two different products but this time with the same paint
43 Post contains links Airzim : Wrong. Only on flights over 1500 miles. Again having an airline within an airline by having two different products but this time with the same paint
44 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : It was pretty empty on certain parts and other times it wasn't. But by saying that it was busy during the day is exaggerated to, you can easily find
45 Werdywerd : Where did you get that false info about DL chasing us out of SDQ? The reason we pulled out was becasue it was not profiable with all of the bag restr
46 Richierich : Oh yeah, and your SkyMiles can only be used on the first and last Tuesdays of every month, one Wednesday a month, and, oops, only when there are thos
47 Bobster2 : After making my reservation for jetBlue redeye PHX-JFK, ten days in advance of the flight, I discovered from the seat map that the flight was almost f
48 Post contains images OttoPylit : Yes, they do, and so does an LCC. Care to take a stab at what its called? Have you ever even been to PR? Its disgusting. They drive like maniacs ther
49 KJFK31L : Sorry if my comment seemed to warrant a such a response from you. Anyway, I agree that there were many gaps in activity during the day at Kennedy pre
50 MAH4546 : This maybe correct, I wasn't thinking about it this way. I have purchased roundtrip tickets with the intention of using them one-way many, many times
51 Bigdrewfl : Correct, The SDQ flights for B6 were always full but since they dont have a Wallmart in the country people would check 3 70lbs bags and on a small si
52 Gigneil : That's not a measure that the industry really uses. B6 operates many more flights per day and carries many more passengers. N
53 Richierich : I wonder why they just didn't stick SDQ with a limit too? Sounds like their flights were a little too full! BTW - yes, Song is going away as a sepera
54 Post contains images JetBlueAtJFK : It is ok I tend to go off sometimes (especially today, omg, one of the worst days) but I do think B6 added on a lot of service to JFK and they also t
55 JetBluefan1 : I don't feel like arguing about B6 today (everyone makes great points, BTW), but I have to argue with this. While you may not particularly appreciate
56 Cory6188 : Overall, I have to give credit where credit is due. B6 has definitely done a bang-up job in stimulating the domestic market at JFK, offering lower far
57 Post contains images OttoPylit : Yes, more times than I care to count. And the only reason you would ever catch me going back is for more rum at rock bottom prices. Hmm, seems everyo
58 N200WN : Daydreaming of that new Subaru maybe? Honestly though, how can anyone say that Jetblue is bad for anything? They are good for the industry, good for
59 Worldliner : I think in a few years B6 could be the largest carrier at boston ASWELL as at JFK. especially with all those embrears on order.
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