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SQ's 773ER Deliveries & Routes?  
User currently offlineSoaring2hi From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8415 times:

Not sure if this has been discussed, but I read on SQ's website that the airline plans to take delivery of their 773ERs sometime this year. Has anyone heard when and what route the initial orders will be deployed on?

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User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8316 times:
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I'd like to see them on the SYD routes!


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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8291 times:

Quoting Soaring2hi (Thread starter):
Not sure if this has been discussed, but I read on SQ's website that the airline plans to take delivery of their 773ERs sometime this year. Has anyone heard when and what route the initial orders will be deployed on?

Probably routes like Zurich as the business market there is big and the 773ERs are expected to have new interior - aren't they?
Another route I would expect to see is AKL - replacing the current 747-400 as NZ introduces there new 777 to the route this month.
Routes like SYD and LHR will be left to the 744's untill the A380 arrives - I think.


User currently offlineAirtropolis From Singapore, joined Apr 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8271 times:

From what I have read, the B773ERs were originally supposed to arrive sometime in the third quarter of 2006 (sometime from june-September, I'm not too sure). Recent rumours indicate that SQ are negotiating for deferral of deliveries till maybe November-December to coincide with the arrival of the A380s. This is so as to be able to launch their new inflight product with as much "bang" as possible (ie launching the new products with the B773ERs will not have that big a PR effect as with the A380). With the backlog at Boeing as a result of the recent strikes, this might indeed be the case.

Possible B773ER routes include Auckland, Zurich, Manchester. There have also been rumours on Flyertalk that SIN-ICN-YVR will be upgraded to B773ERs, (so maybe both SIN-ICN-SFO; SIN-TPE-LAX will also get the new craft). In my mind, should they actually get the rights, SIN-MEL-LAX will be a strong candidate to be operated by B773ERs (latest rumours indicate that the Australian govt. will not grant SQ the right to operate SIN-SYD-LAX but may grant SIN-MEL/BNE-LAX in lieu)


User currently offlineHZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8253 times:
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Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 2):
Routes like SYD and LHR will be left to the 744's untill the A380 arrives - I think.

I know the A380 is supposed to be coming here at least that is what the billboard the airport hints at. I'd like to fly that too. It should be a good year for firsts.



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User currently offlineSoaring2hi From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8215 times:

Thanks for all the input! There's reason behind my initial question as I'm travelling from LAX to TPE & SIN in November and was hoping to jump on one of those new birds...wishful thinking, eh? I guess they'll keep their 744s on the SIN-NRT-LAX route for as long as they can. Seems like the Asia-to-Europe sectors get the newly updated products first. You know, LAX is slowly saying goodbye to Asia's 744s...TG replacing them with A345s and NH replacing their's with 773ERs. Could JL & SQ be next? I hope.

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2304 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Quoting Soaring2hi (Reply 5):
TG replacing them with A345s

I think they scrubed that plan. They operate A340-600s to LAX now.


User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8070 times:

SQ will deploy the B773ER to CDG, ZRH, MEL(SQ217), MNL

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7945 times:

Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 7):
SQ will deploy the B773ER to CDG, ZRH, MEL(SQ217), MNL

Interesting that both SQ217 and SQ237 won't become B773ER. Both these services are now B773, and I would have thought that product consistency would be a priority.

SQ237 provides excellent connections inbound from china/Korea/North Asia, while SQ238 ex-MEL has got the Indian market pretty well covered.
Perhaps because this is the newest service to be added, it will get the newest product last??!!


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

I suppose CDG, AKL, MEL, ZRH etc can warrant the B 747-400.

Umm.... maybe they wanna add capacity by adding extra flights?


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

I suspect that when SYD gets the A380, MEL will get the B744's left over from SYD.

User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7846 times:

Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 7):
SQ will deploy the B773ER to CDG, ZRH, MEL(SQ217), MNL

No!, why not AKL?


User currently offlineSoaring2hi From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7783 times:

Kaitak744, they WERE operating A346s to LAX, but have since switched to A345s to operate the nonstop from LAX to BKK...they no longer service the A346s to LAX via KIX.

User currently offlineMattlancs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7752 times:

they will probably only get them towards the end of this year then

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5191 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7682 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
Quoting Asianguy767 (Reply 7):
SQ will deploy the B773ER to CDG, ZRH, MEL(SQ217), MNL

No!, why not AKL?

Don't worry AKL will get them eventually. Maybe on both flights. I will miss the 744's though.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 10):
I suspect that when SYD gets the A380, MEL will get the B744's left over from SYD.

Hmm, since the 773ER's arrive at the same time or before the A380's i'd think they may leave MEL as it is for now and then put on the 773ER's once they have enough. I thought they might even put the 773ER's on all 3 MEL services. I've heard ZRH and CDG will be among the first 773ER routes, CDG surprises me a little, I thought they would leave that as a 744.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7636 times:

What SQ operate SIN-HKG/ICN-SFO and SIN-NRT/TPE-LAX will depend on both the type and the frequency they operate SIN-SFO and SIN-LAX. Once SIN-SFO nonstop service starts, then SIN-HKG-SFO can be downgauged from B747-400 to B777-300ER. Likewise, if SIN-LAX goes to 2x daily, then SIN-NRT-LAX can be downgauged to B777-300ER. Also, whether SQ are operating A340-500s or B777-200LRs on the nonstops will make a difference. Until the nonstop service is upgraded, I don't expect to see any changes to the connecting services.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3314 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 14):
Hmm, since the 773ER's arrive at the same time or before the A380's i'd think they may leave MEL as it is for now and then put on the 773ER's once they have enough. I thought they might even put the 773ER's on all 3 MEL services. I've heard ZRH and CDG will be among the first 773ER routes, CDG surprises me a little, I thought they would leave that as a 744.

Given that SQ already operate 1 x B744 and 2 x B773 daily to MEL, wouldn't going to 3 x B773ER be a drop in capacity.

I would have thought SQ would go for an incremental increase to both SYD and MEL.

SYD, 3 x B744 now becomes 2 x A380 + 1 x B744
MEL, as above now, becomes 1 x A380 + 2 x B744 daily...

Obviously fuel efficiency, inflight product and cargo uplift are considerations ...


User currently offlineFlymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7467 times:

New Route SIN-MUC-EWR 7/7 from winter 06/07???

User currently offlinePieinthesky From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 392 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Airtropolis is correct in saying that SQ are looking at possibly delaying the 773's to enable the big PR event of launching the new Raffles and First products on the first A380 flight. Although if the Fatjet gets delayed further, this will not be possible.

MAN is supposed to be getting the 773ER eventually. They would like to stop the twice weekly stop in ZRH as it's costly with crews doing ZRH-MAN-ZRH only.


User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 6795 times:

INITIAL deployment is for CDG, ZRH, MEL & MNL. Eventual deployment can be AKL, SQ30 etc...MEL is for sure the new PCL & JCL product on the B773ER must go there.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7928 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15):
What SQ operate SIN-HKG/ICN-SFO and SIN-NRT/TPE-LAX will depend on both the type and the frequency they operate SIN-SFO and SIN-LAX. Once SIN-SFO nonstop service starts, then SIN-HKG-SFO can be downgauged from B747-400 to B777-300ER. Likewise, if SIN-LAX goes to 2x daily, then SIN-NRT-LAX can be downgauged to B777-300ER. Also, whether SQ are operating A340-500s or B777-200LRs on the nonstops will make a difference. Until the nonstop service is upgraded, I don't expect to see any changes to the connecting services.

I think in the near future, for flights between SIN and the US West Coast (LAX and SFO) I see the following happen:

1. SIN-LAX-SIN non-stop: A340-500 for now until 777-200LR's take over the route eventually.

2. SIN-TPE-LAX-TPE-SIN: 747-400 for the foreseeable future, unless big demand on the segment between LAX and TPE could make the change to A380-800.

3. SIN-ICN-SFO-ICN-SFO: 777-200ER for the foreseeable future, since the 777-300ER is too big a plane for this route.

4. SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN: 747-400 for now until it switches to the A380-800 some time in 2007.


User currently offlinePyroGX41487 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20):
1. SIN-LAX-SIN non-stop: A340-500 for now until 777-200LR's take over the route eventually.

If I'm not mistaken, SQ has no 772LR, nor do they have them on order. Don't count your chickens before they are in the stew.


User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20):
4. SIN-HKG-SFO-HKG-SIN: 747-400 for now until it switches to the A380-800 some time in 2007

That was the original plan, however, there is some talk of that not happening. Mainly due to payload restrictions in the winter. However, if it does happen, it probably won't occur until 2008 at the earliest.


User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

Why do they deploy it to MNL as one of the first destinations? Can anyone enlighten me?

Leif


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5667 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

Quoting PyroGX41487 (Reply 21):
SQ has no 772LR, nor do they have them on order.

Not yet but they'll probably be ordering them within the next month and a half if the rumors are to be believed.



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25 Ikramerica : Route and aircraft proving? Usually don't want to send a plane too far from home while you are still working the bugs out.
26 Ari : i really hope they put it on SIN-MAN because then we'll get maybe 2 773ERs from SQ and EK and it would be nice for a little variation from the 772s an
27 Airtropolis : I was also wondering about that one, however it actually makes sense if according to Asianguy767, CDG/ZRH will be among the initial destinations, wit
28 Collegestud : How about ORD? SQ used to fly to ORD in 2001. I am wondering that ORD is coming back???
29 A342 : MUC and on to EWR ? Expect just SIN-MUC with a 772ER if they come to MUC. LH wouldn´t like them flying to EWR as this could lower yields on their ow
30 6thfreedom : It seems like you're in the know... Can you tell us seat capacity on the B773ER?? Also, I'm guessing that the MEL ops will be: SQ217/218 B773ER Sq227
31 Asianguy767 : SQ237 is a seasonal B773 service during off peak it reverts to B772. The B773ER will seat 278 in total.
32 The777Man : This route has been a 777-200/ER for the last two year or so and and don't really see them going to a A380 on that route. I think it's likely that th
33 Trex8 : even the loads don't justify it, it allows them to operate the plane on a route where staff can get experience and esp the flight crews getting more
34 6thfreedom : Are you sure? this may have been the case, the the B773 is listed for the rest of the winter schedule, and is also listed for the northern summer 200
35 OldAeroGuy : Since the 773ER shares a common type rating with all the other 777's SQ operates, they won't need to make currency trips like the A345. 773ER crews c
36 Aerorobnz : The 744 will be at AKL for the foreseeable future with SQ.
37 Kaitak744 : Really? They only ordered 4 A340-500s, and they serve JFK and another city which I forgot, but was mentioned in a thread on A.net. How can they add a
38 Zvezda : There is no chance that SQ will downgauge SQ1/2 SIN-HKG-SFO prior to the introduction of nonstop SIN-SFO service. Actually, SQ are planning to hold o
39 KA501 : How about SIN-MAN-IAD ! Which has been discussed before I believe?
40 Spink : No way does the SIN-HKG-SFO flight downgauge to a 773ER. The current 744 is almost always booked full and with reasonably high yields. In fact every
41 Zvezda : Spink, suppose SQ add a SIN-SFO nonstop operated by a 200 seat B777-200LR. Don't you think it would then make sense to downgauge SIN-HKG-SFO to B777-
42 Kaitak744 : Well, a good part of that traffic is going on to SIN. Those "seats" can be transfered to a nonstop SIN-SFO flight or a upgraded SFO-ICN 777-300ER. Wi
43 Zvezda : Only if the WhaleJet has the range to fly SFO-HKG in the winter with a reasonable payload, which reportedly it does not.
44 PhilSquares : Hate to burst your bubble, but SQ has no intention to do what you said. The 744 pax version will be there until 2010-11. You will not see the 777-300
45 David_itl : That was one of the offering on the CAA's regional 5th freedom investigations. They were offered 5th freedom services on the MAN-JFK service years ag
46 A342 : PhilSquares, are you able to answer my question why freight services SIN-MUC were discontinued ?
47 PhilSquares : The link up with LH....the WOW partnership.
48 A342 : I don´t quite understand what you mean, was SQ part of it and why was that bad ?
49 PhilSquares : SQ, JA and LH have formed a cargo partnership. Bascially, LH does all the cargo to and from Germany. SQ operates one frequency/week out of FRA. It is
50 Zvezda : A342, the whole point of alliances is to reduce competition, in order to charge higher prices and increase profitability at the expense of the consume
51 Kaitak744 : Haha, I know, you already proved me wrong in another thread. I ment when they do get rid of them. Their future fleet is 777, A380, and maybe 787? So
52 PhilSquares : There has been talk of it. I think they'll add a second EWR before a SFO. Your fleet projection might be off. I'd hedge my bets for the 747-8.
53 Zvezda : I would take 2 to 1 that SQ takes delivery of the B747-8I before retiring their last B747-400 from passenger service.
54 FlyDreamliner : The 748 is the X factor in the big, long haul market. The question becomes whether A380 will cover only really heavy units, and the bulk of the 744s w
55 Spink : Yeah, with a SFO-SIN 772LR they could probably downgauge it. Depends of the number of pax terminating in HKG though. I would certainly take the SFO-S
56 Kaitak744 : As much as I am a fan of the 787 and the 777, I hate the 747. On the outside, its nice. As a passenger on the inside, it is the worst aircraft one ca
57 FlyDreamliner : Personally, I'm not a big fan of either the 747 or the A380. I think the A340, while kinda pointless, is a really nice plane. I'm in love with the 777
58 Zvezda : Excluding the B787, the B747 has the best cabin air quality (7000 foot pressurization) of any airliner. 10-abreast seating on the B747 normally uses
59 Intothinair : I have a couple of questions Will all the 773ERs be in a 3 class configuration (F,C,Y)? When/Will SQ 773ERs be deployed on the AKL route already from
60 9V-SVA : Well, I won't be suprised, because the B773ER will have a 3-class seating configuration and also a more spacious layout..
61 Singapore 777 : That is quite a significant drop in capacity from the current B744 actually, which seats about 375 pax (almost a 100 decrease). I'm just wondering if
62 A342 : But the freight volume was there ? Did you get to fly the route ? That´s not what I asked for, but alliances do not necessarily decrease competition
63 Boysteve : Good! Lets have a daily none-stop flight from MAN, the 772ER is nice but the 773ER would be better
64 SunriseValley : Then SQ would be able to fly non-stop SIN-LAX all the year around, with, at the worst, a full passenger load.
65 Zvezda : Sorry, that's not how markets work. Introducing a third competitor to a duopoly market always lowers prices. So does adding a fourth, but a bit less
66 Intothinair : I really do not get this, why would SQ drop capacity by 100 seats on routes such as CDG or ZRH??? Great to hear though that they will be equipped in s
67 Zvezda : To raise yields and lower costs.
68 Ex_SQer : SQ has too much passenger capacity into both these cities, especially ZRH. In order to fill the seats, they have had to lower yields to a significant
69 ZK-NBT : I doubt it myself. The daily 744 is usually packed, well it is now both ways due to the NZ summer! Even in NZ winter loads aren't to bad usually. The
70 A342 : How do they work then ? A competitor on a previous monopoly will also lower prices, always, everybody knows that. I can´t see why it shouldn´t be t
71 Post contains links Bjornstrom : If SQ decide to drop the 744 I would really miss the 2nd floor Raffles Class. I did FRA-SIN recently on seat 17A and had a great time. Even though the
72 Abba : Perhaps they would then upgrade CPH to daily as some of their 200's become available? At the present their planes are always full to the brim (only o
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